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Cruiser
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Tucson , AZ | hawaii - 2012-03-04 10:17 PM
I've tried calling HMD520 several times and left a message. Emailed him and no reply so I gave up on his kit. Can't say I didn't try to give a pass Maui boy the business.
Sorry if i missed your call.. I have never had a call from Hawaii in my missed calls? I will be glad to answer any questions about the parts you may have. If you are still interested ... i would be glad to help you out.
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Iron Butt
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| Okay, so those of you who have lowered the front of your Vision, what process did you use to access the upper pinch bolts? I can't see how a ratchet and 6mm allen will fit in there. Are you just using an allen key? Coming in from the top around the console, or pulling the wheel and fender, and reaching up from underneath?
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Visionary
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| Turk
First off go back in your pro file and add your year of bike and then where you live.
You have to turn the front end and you can get some clearance to loosen the bolts. You don't have to pull any thing just work at it. |
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Visionary
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| There is only one way to lower the stock Vision and that is by replacing the stock shock & strut with the shock and strut off the 8-Ball. You can also order up the springs, spacers, etc for the fork lowering.
Now I'm SURE someone is gonna tell me I'm wrong, so let me clarify. Yes you can cut some of the strut off and reweld, you can order an aftermarket strut with adjustable threads BUT and this is HUGE..... You will sacrifice suspension control, and compromise the shock and strut pivot bearings. Hit a big enough bump and you can sheer it right off. I won't even mention how bad the rear suspension feels after lowering it improperly.
Call me silly but one of the BEST attributes of the Vision is the smooth suspension, compliments of the innovative design of the rear suspension.
Oh and yes I was one of the first to swap my Vision over to a lowered rear strut, adjustable one, and it was back off the bike in a week.
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Iron Butt
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| john frey - 2012-03-28 5:49 PM
Turk
First off go back in your pro file and add your year of bike and then where you live.
You have to turn the front end and you can get some clearance to loosen the bolts. You don't have to pull any thing just work at it.
My bike specs were always in there.. not sure why you can't see it at the bottom. As for my location, I choose not to put that in....
You still haven't said what tools you used and whether you came in from the top or bottom.
At this point, I'm thinking about trying to find an extra long 6mm combination wrench, and cutting off a 1/2" long section of a 6mm allen key, and just putting that little 6mm piece in the bolt, and sliding the box end of the wrench over the exposed section. As I mentioned above, my 3/8" drive ratchet and 6mm allen socket will NOT fit in there.... no way, no how...
Edited by Turk 2012-03-29 11:12 AM
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Iron Butt
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| Teach - 2012-03-28 7:18 PM
There is only one way to lower the stock Vision and that is by replacing the stock shock & strut with the shock and strut off the 8-Ball. You can also order up the springs, spacers, etc for the fork lowering.
Now I'm SURE someone is gonna tell me I'm wrong, so let me clarify. Yes you can cut some of the strut off and reweld, you can order an aftermarket strut with adjustable threads BUT and this is HUGE..... You will sacrifice suspension control, and compromise the shock and strut pivot bearings. Hit a big enough bump and you can sheer it right off. I won't even mention how bad the rear suspension feels after lowering it improperly.
Call me silly but one of the BEST attributes of the Vision is the smooth suspension, compliments of the innovative design of the rear suspension.
Oh and yes I was one of the first to swap my Vision over to a lowered rear strut, adjustable one, and it was back off the bike in a week.
JMO
Thank you for sharing your opinion, but that doesn't address my question, which is how to access the upper pinch bolts so I can bottom out my fork tubes in the triple trees?
With my 2011 Vision (clearly stated in my signature line), I know I will only get about a 3/8" drop in the front. I already have the solid HMD replacement strut for the rear, so that is not an issue. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I would remove the front wheel, and loosen the pinch bolts, there are 6 of them. Push the tubes up, tighten bolts, reassymble. Every thing is visible. |
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Iron Butt
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| varyder - 2012-03-29 12:13 PM
I would remove the front wheel, and loosen the pinch bolts, there are 6 of them. Push the tubes up, tighten bolts, reassymble. Every thing is visible.
Thank you. I ended up going to the HW store and finding a long 6mm allen key..... cut down the short side a little, and it seems like I won't have any issue accessing that top pinch bolt through the top of the bike next to the console.
Lowering the bike an inch with the HMD strut will allow me to keep more air in the shock. Honestly, I think the shock gets more travel (and is slightly more compliant) when there's some air in it, above what the chart says.... It seems counter intuitive, I know. However, even so, my 2011 is still not nearly as compliant a ride as my friend's 09 Vision. I think they upped either the spring rate, or the damping in the later bikes.
Edited by Turk 2012-03-29 1:17 PM
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Visionary
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| Turk, sorry I didn't read your question about pinch bolts but was rather replying to the original post.
However to that question. The issue is not air in the shock or lack there of, the issue is the suspension is altered at the lever point requiring a lot more energy to actuate the assy and depress the shock. There are several problems with this scenario but the most obvious is the bearings (there are three at the pivot) were not designed for this type of load.
As I said do as you please, just tossing this out so folks are informed. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| How much ws the total cost IM 5'7 my self and need to get this done the parts come to $777 to do the bag liners must be costly? |
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Visionary
Posts: 4278
| sorry I missed your asking what wrench I used. I do have a sears 6mm and with a punch you can knock the allen out and with a 3/8" open box end will fit the socket end.
tkleroi
do a search in the tech section you can find out how to lower your bike.
Yes with not enough air in shock I bottomed out on rail road crossing yup cracked the inside bags but with silicon I fixed it. No leaks and with 40psi no more problems.
Teach
the only difference on the rear suspension in Ness has different shock every thing ells is the same. Just so you know |
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Puddle Jumper
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Philly Pa. | I got the vision 8 ball already lower then the vision but they stop making the vision 8 why I don't know love that lower feeling since I do be a little vertically challenged as to say. guess I have to make this one last till is vision trike time.
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Cruiser
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| Where could a guy find a vision 8 ball seat? will it fit a standard 08 vision without modifications?
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Visionary
Posts: 1308
Sand Rock, AL United States | it will fit a standard 08. I don't know where to get one though. Also, it doesn't have heat. |
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Lowering a Vision
