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on the edge of Los Angeles | My take on it is if you like a well performing machine then you will do some sort of maintenance, As the tires and oils slowly degrade over time we become used to the way it is and think all is well. Sometimes we accept what may be a safety issue as ok cause you have learned how to deal with it.
Who ever drove a car/ truck that in order to keep it going down the middle of the lane you needed to constantly turn the wheel from right to left. Owner thought it was normal but until someone else got behind the wheel it was a non issue.
Those of us who have many miles on our bikes know how much better the bike corners with a new front tire no matter the brand and no matter the bike.
So that's two wins... One in Performance and one in Safety.
If you want to ride or drive a machine when it is performing at its best then you will need to do maintenance. The front forks and its oil are part of the performance package.
Sure they will continue to go in and out up and down without being serviced but left unserviced forever you are shorting yourself on what the Vision has to offer over time.
I am just shot of 90,000 and have changes the fluid twice. I have also used non vic oil and different weights. So on average I have gone twice as long as the recommended schedule. Next time I plan on changing the seals and upper bushing. BTW I did a head bearing service at 50 K and that really helped.
The spring tool that I made really is a needed item for the early forks.
So off I go and I hope you all get something good under the tree!
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| marcparnes - 2012-12-21 3:45 PM
bigdogtx - 2012-12-21 12:24 PM
Can a traxxion replacement/upgrade be done at longer intervals than 15,000?I just emailed Martin at Traxxion to ask his opinion. I'll post his response.
Marc
Just heard from Martin at Traxxion:
"The service interval on forks is usually 20-25K. The first thing that usually wears out is the inner fork bushings."
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Peru, IN | It looks like the Traxxion system is between $2500-$3000. W..O..W!!! At $300 for a shop to do all the work, I'm ok with the OEM front end every 15k miles. |
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| Actually the front Traxxion suspension was $1100 and I installed it. To be honest, the 8-Ball springs and cartridges I installed on my '10 Vision worked just as well as the Traxxion setup does for a couple hundred dollars. The 8-Ball setup supplies a beautiful ride. The Traxxion has compression and rebound adjustments but I've never really used them since I was more interested in a comfortable ride than anything else.
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| Monkeyman - 2012-12-27 10:17 AM
It looks like the Traxxion system is between $2500-$3000. W..O..W!!! At $300 for a shop to do all the work, I'm ok with the OEM front end every 15k miles.Actually the Traxxion cartridges have no bearing on service intervals. The parts that wear which are the bushings are part of the OE fork and are the same regardless of the cartridges installed. I only asked Martin his opinion since he has lots of experience looking at worn forks and to see if he felt they could go further than the factory suggests which he did. Nothing to do with Traxxion. Sorry if that was confusing.
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| the difference between new bushing and ones with 60 thousand miles on them is 3 thousand.
The fork oil doesn't really wear out but can be contaminated with condensation. |
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on the edge of Los Angeles | johnnyvision - 2012-12-27 2:50 PM the difference between new bushing and ones with 60 thousand miles on them is 3 thousand. The fork oil doesn't really wear out but can be contaminated with condensation. Johnny, So your telling us that after 60k on you 08 Vision the bushing had worn .003 on its ID ? Did you also notice a difference after the change? |
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Land O Lakes, FL | So I have a dealer quoting me 8hrs labor for the 15k service @ $65 an hour. This sound right? |
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Peru, IN | $500 for the 15k mile service?? I can see that for the 30k mile service (minus the belt change). I'll bet you could find an independent to do that for you for less than 1/2. The service manual might say to remove all the front tupperware but I'll bet you can disconnect the front brakes, loosen about 4 bolts and drop the forks right out of the triple tree. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | What a RIOT you guys are !
Funniest goshdarn bunch I ever saw words on a screen from .... you should all get together and write a comedy!
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| PhantomX - 2013-01-02 9:20 PM So I have a dealer quoting me 8hrs labor for the 15k service @ $65 an hour. This sound right? The labor rate is great buts the hours sound a bit much. Harley put new seals and bushing my HD for three hours. |
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Central Maryland | donetracey - 2013-01-03 1:57 AM
What a RIOT you guys are !
Funniest goshdarn bunch I ever saw words on a screen from .... you should all get together and write a comedy!
Are you drinking again? What has thou contributed? |
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | If you can't hold a wrench learn to hold your ankles. |
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Central Maryland | ByteN2it - 2013-01-03 6:25 PM
If you can't hold a wrench learn to hold your ankles.
touche'
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Just 'shit disturbing', folks.
As I have aged, I find that life is too frikin' short to waste any of it 'tinkering' - I'd rather be riding or playing with my Co-Pilot. But the lengths some of you go I just find amusing - that's why I read this stuff. Sorry if that bothers some of you!
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Sand Rock, AL United States | donetracey - 2013-01-03 5:17 PM
Just 'shit disturbing', folks.
As I have aged, I find that life is too frikin' short to waste any of it 'tinkering' - I'd rather be riding or playing with my Co-Pilot. But the lengths some of you go I just find amusing - that's why I read this stuff. Sorry if that bothers some of you!
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| Some people find tinkering fun. For some reason you find that amusing. You do your thing and let others do theirs. I'm sure a few people would disagree with your choices but I haven't seen anyone ridicule you. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Some people do enjoy wrenching. That's great for those who have the inclination, skill set, or money. I have neither so I ride ( on unserviced forks)  |
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Land O Lakes, FL | Finally got a firm quote from them, 5hrs labor (@$65) and parts. Should be under $400 for the full 15k service so it's going in next week to get done! |
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Really something that pisses me off about the Vision...
