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| MaddMAx2u - 2012-05-09 7:10 PM
NO, NO, NO it's a subsidiary of the now defunct (?) Tupperware and I'm having a party!!! There will be all kinds of oil there, even a new SALAD oil by the Tupperware subsidiary. And you can use the left over containers for carrying all kinds of food!!
Bwahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...
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Pittsburgh, PA | never saw this before (pdf) http://tinyurl.com/bp9v7lu
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New Bohemia, VA | Good read, most of it just basic automotive principals, and the rest is a sales pitch. |
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Say what you want but I have EXPERIENCED it first hand. Went back to Vic oil and then Rotella and it never slipped again. Keep in mind I ride my bikes HARD. I think the average put-put Joe most likely will not have this problem... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | cook06vegas - 2012-05-13 10:53 AM
Say what you want but I have EXPERIENCED it first hand. Went back to Vic oil and then Rotella and it never slipped again. Keep in mind I ride my bikes HARD. I think the average put-put Joe most likely will not have this problem...
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New Bohemia, VA | cook06vegas - 2012-05-13 11:53 AM Say what you want but I have EXPERIENCED it first hand. Went back to Vic oil and then Rotella and it never slipped again. Keep in mind I ride my bikes HARD. I think the average put-put Joe most likely will not have this problem... What of Rotella are you using? full synthetic or the blend. I've gone back to a blend after using full-synthetic and find that the clutch feels good again. Currently using the Lucas 10w40 motorcycle oil.
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Lansing, MI | Arkainzeye - 2012-05-13 11:59 AM
cook06vegas - 2012-05-13 10:53 AM
Say what you want but I have EXPERIENCED it first hand. Went back to Vic oil and then Rotella and it never slipped again. Keep in mind I ride my bikes HARD. I think the average put-put Joe most likely will not have this problem...
what weight of oil was you using when you had the clutch slip?
The 10W-40 "Motorcycle Oil " |
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Lansing, MI | varyder - 2012-05-13 1:49 PM
cook06vegas - 2012-05-13 11:53 AM Say what you want but I have EXPERIENCED it first hand. Went back to Vic oil and then Rotella and it never slipped again. Keep in mind I ride my bikes HARD. I think the average put-put Joe most likely will not have this problem... What of Rotella are you using? full synthetic or the blend.? I've gone back to a blend after using full-synthetic and find that the clutch feels good again.? Currently using the Lucas 10w40 motorcycle oil.
The blend "T5" 10-40 in the silver jug
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New Bohemia, VA | yes, that is the blend, they don't have it in Wally-world here, only 10w30, that is why I went with Lucas from O'Reillys. Got the wix filter there too, one stop shop. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | cook06vegas - 2012-05-13 12:55 PM
Arkainzeye - 2012-05-13 11:59 AM
cook06vegas - 2012-05-13 10:53 AM
Say what you want but I have EXPERIENCED it first hand. Went back to Vic oil and then Rotella and it never slipped again. Keep in mind I ride my bikes HARD. I think the average put-put Joe most likely will not have this problem...
what weight of oil was you using when you had the clutch slip?
The 10W-40 "Motorcycle Oil "
wow if your clutch slipped with 10w40 its probably pretty worn or weak components... considering i know people with HayaBusa's (0-60mph 2.47sec) that run 10w40 and this is a bike that would put ours to shame with power and performance.. i just dont understand why a bike with performance greater than a Lamborghini Diablo doesnt have these issues with amsoil 10w40 but "some" of these Visions with 92hp are.. keep in mind these guys with these busa's are probably rougher on the clutches than we are...lol wheelies, drag racing and everything else these bikes can do... like i said in another post we have the same clutch as the 600some lbs 8ball.... its "almost" like buying a F150 and finding it the same transmission componenet are in the Ford Escort.. LOL =) |
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Yeah, my Vegas with 6K miles on it had a worn down weak clutch that after I went back to Vic oil fixed itself. DAMN! These Victory's are AMAZING. I've never had another mechanical device that's done that!
BTW, I am not the only person in the world of Victory who has seen this first hand.
I say, try AmsOil, go for it. It's great oil. It should be for what it cost! That's another thing. Is it worth what it costs? Probably not. Maybe it'll work for other people???
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Pittsburgh, PA | cook06vegas - 2012-05-13 3:06 PM
Yeah, my Vegas with 6K miles on it had a worn down weak clutch that after I went back to Vic oil fixed itself. DAMN! These Victory's are AMAZING. I've never had another mechanical device that's done that!
BTW, I am not the only person in the world of Victory who has seen this first hand.
I say, try AmsOil, go for it. It's great oil. It should be for what it cost! That's another thing. Is it worth what it costs? Probably not. Maybe it'll work for other people???
so if your clutch slips and mine doesnt and we use the oil is from the same chemistry are you saying my clutch is better than yours? or did amsoil have a special batch for me and all my other 7 motorcycles that used it? either way there are WAY MORE people not slipping (like the example of the 200mph busa) .. It could never be a issue with Victory god know NO one ever has warranty work or defective products with them. my $900 dashboard that needed replaced was probably because i turn it on and off to many times in a 24 hour period. my gear indicator that always read the wrong gear was actually probably from me living in the city and needed to shift up and down too often. and my volume button that changed the stations instead of increasing the volume was probably actually the radio stations fault.. it cant be a design/ defect Never... btw all those people that had to have their ABS units serviced over the past year, it was not victory's fault it was user error by NOT using both the rear and the front brake at the exact same time using the exact same pressure... shame on all of you for filing a warranty claim on the part of victory and making them look bad! =(
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Orlando, FL | I think I wrote this somewhere but here it is again. If the same number of people that have had issues with full synthetic oils and their clutch slipping had issues with E3's no one would even consider using an E3. But for some reason oil is different? Just sayin'
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Pittsburgh, PA | MaddMAx2u - 2012-05-13 4:02 PM
I think I wrote this somewhere but here it is again. If the same number of people that have had issues with full synthetic oils and their clutch slipping had issues with E3's no one would even consider using an E3. But for some reason oil is different? Just sayin'
yeah just about everyone on here and other forum (goldwing) complain to no end about the E3 tires. but yet people keep buying them. and they arent cheap!! |
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New Bohemia, VA | So many factors go into the applications of oil so for anyone to make blanket statesments that one brand verses another is the only thing to use, doesn't see the bigger picture. I'm not surprised that one bike has an issue and another one doesn't. I've gone through a spectrum of practical applications, read too many threads on oil, mixed it all up in a bowl and have made a very educated decision. I will never again use a full-synthectic oil in a wet clutch application unless the manufacturer specifically says so. With that said, the majority of riders out there will never understand what I'm talking about, because they will never ever experience the conditions that have brought me to that conclusion. I will not say that full synthetic, AMSOIL or otherwise is bad for your bike, but under certain circumstances it may not be the best.
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Orlando, FL | I only know what I know.
Me think like Indian.
Bike run gud. Big Wampum. Run fast with many Braves.
Oil change with Vic oil at 500 - 5000 - 10,000 as say in manual. Bike run gud.
15,000 oil change - Amsoil 20-50 M/C oil.
Now bike not run so good. Ugh. Clutch slip. Running Bear now called Slippin' Bear.
Change oil back to Vic oil. Ride bike as Chief KevinX say. Bike now no slip. Running Bear back in War Party.
Me like-e Vic oil.
My bike-e like-e Vic oil too.
You bike like-e other oil? Gud 4 you. My ride no like other oil.
Nuff said~!!!!
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New Bohemia, VA | MaddMAx2u - 2012-05-13 6:46 PM I only know what I know. Me think like Indian. Bike run gud. Big Wampum. Run fast with many Braves. Oil change with Vic oil at 500 - 5000 - 10,000 as say in manual. Bike run gud. 15,000 oil change - Amsoil 20-50 M/C oil. Now bike not run so good. Ugh. Clutch slip. Running Bear now called Slippin' Bear. Change oil back to Vic oil. Ride bike as Chief KevinX say. Bike now no slip. Running Bear back in War Party. Me like-e Vic oil. My bike-e like-e Vic oil too. You bike like-e other oil? Gud 4 you. My ride no like other oil. Nuff said~!!!! Well said, Running Bare... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2012-05-13 4:47 PM
So many factors go into the applications of oil so for anyone to make blanket statesments that one brand verses another is the only thing to use, doesn't see the bigger picture. I'm not surprised that one bike has an issue and another one doesn't. I've gone through a spectrum of practical applications, read too many threads on oil, mixed it all up in a bowl and have made a very educated decision. I will never again use a full-synthectic oil in a wet clutch application unless the manufacturer specifically says so. With that said, the majority of riders out there will never understand what I'm talking about, because they will never ever experience the conditions that have brought me to that conclusion. I will not say that full synthetic, AMSOIL or otherwise is bad for your bike, but under certain circumstances it may not be the best.
As far as the E3s, the majority of complainers are now car tire enthuiasts, so there you have it.
i like the way you worded that... its like with my honda accord.. in the past few years there has been more and more transmissions that FAILED $$$$$$ so for the past few years people blamed the trany fluid for this as (its a honda its perfect) so then honda and acura people started using every transmission fluid under the sun! top of the line full synthetic to racing trany fluid, Then a few years ago Honda redesigned their trany fluid to be Full Synth and said it can be used in older accords but the older fluid can Not be used in the newer accords. but guess what. the transmissions Kept failing still !! but there was No pattern.. people installed transmission coolers, changed the fluid every 15k miles instead of every 100k and yet they failed and some didnt.. then what pissed people off even more was,. the people that spent the extra money on very short fluid change intervals and trany coolers were having their transmissions fail while a few that Never changed their fluid were still in operation at over 90,000 miles on the clock and still going... they were all accord V6 transmission (2003-07) only later did you read online that honda set aside funds to replace these transmission when they failed or pay for a large part of it. in the end for this application no matter what people did some people were just Unlucky.. personally i hate to think of it as Luck.. i wold rather have honda or someone explain it... but im not important enough for such a answer.. =)
its just interesting how two of the same vehicle running the same fluid can have different results... like with our amsoil/synth oil debate. one guy spend $$$$ on doing everything he can to prevent the failure and his fails while someone else who could care less has his run forever.. |
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ONE MORE TIME:
It's this simple---> Mine slipped with AmsOil. It did not with Victory or Rotella. PERIOD.
Why? I don't really know.
Best guess: I beat the hell out my bike. Someday maybe you will try to ride with me. When I leave you in my dust maybe you with understand what I mean when I say I ride it hard...
Good luck to you. I hope your clutch lives a nice long slip free life with whatever oil you use. 
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LaGrange, GA | Arkainzeye - 2012-05-13 7:36 PM
varyder - 2012-05-13 4:47 PM
So many factors go into the applications of oil so for anyone to make blanket statesments that one brand verses another is the only thing to use, doesn't see the bigger picture. I'm not surprised that one bike has an issue and another one doesn't. I've gone through a spectrum of practical applications, read too many threads on oil, mixed it all up in a bowl and have made a very educated decision. I will never again use a full-synthectic oil in a wet clutch application unless the manufacturer specifically says so. With that said, the majority of riders out there will never understand what I'm talking about, because they will never ever experience the conditions that have brought me to that conclusion. I will not say that full synthetic, AMSOIL or otherwise is bad for your bike, but under certain circumstances it may not be the best.
As far as the E3s, the majority of complainers are now car tire enthuiasts, so there you have it.
i like the way you worded that... its like with my honda accord.. in the past few years there has been more and more transmissions that FAILED $$$$$$ so for the past few years people blamed the trany fluid for this as (its a honda its perfect) so then honda and acura people started using every transmission fluid under the sun! top of the line full synthetic to racing trany fluid, Then a few years ago Honda redesigned their trany fluid to be Full Synth and said it can be used in older accords but the older fluid can Not be used in the newer accords. but guess what. the transmissions Kept failing still !! but there was No pattern.. people installed transmission coolers, changed the fluid every 15k miles instead of every 100k and yet they failed and some didnt.. then what pissed people off even more was,. the people that spent the extra money on very short fluid change intervals and trany coolers were having their transmissions fail while a few that Never changed their fluid were still in operation at over 90,000 miles on the clock and still going... they were all accord V6 transmission (2003-07) only later did you read online that honda set aside funds to replace these transmission when they failed or pay for a large part of it. in the end for this application no matter what people did some people were just Unlucky.. personally i hate to think of it as Luck.. i wold rather have honda or someone explain it... but im not important enough for such a answer.. =)
its just interesting how two of the same vehicle running the same fluid can have different results... like with our amsoil/synth oil debate. one guy spend $$$$ on doing everything he can to prevent the failure and his fails while someone else who could care less has his run forever..
Take a step back and ask yourself - does it really matter if it's the bike or the oil if there's a reasonable solution? Nobody is saying amsoil sucks. If a bike has a clutch that's just barely not slipping with one oil, then it slips with another, but can still offer lots of working miles after switching back - why go on a tirade about it not being the oil's fault? Who gives a shit? So maybe I could put new clutch plates and springs in my bike to tighten it back up to a spec where it didn't slip with amsoil. It's a helluva lot easier and cheaper to not do that and run oil that costs less anyway. So maybe the clutch is on its way out, but if it holds for another few oil changes that's still a huge win.
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Pittsburgh, PA | BrandonM7 - 2012-05-13 9:02 PM
Arkainzeye - 2012-05-13 7:36 PM
varyder - 2012-05-13 4:47 PM
So many factors go into the applications of oil so for anyone to make blanket statesments that one brand verses another is the only thing to use, doesn't see the bigger picture. I'm not surprised that one bike has an issue and another one doesn't. I've gone through a spectrum of practical applications, read too many threads on oil, mixed it all up in a bowl and have made a very educated decision. I will never again use a full-synthectic oil in a wet clutch application unless the manufacturer specifically says so. With that said, the majority of riders out there will never understand what I'm talking about, because they will never ever experience the conditions that have brought me to that conclusion. I will not say that full synthetic, AMSOIL or otherwise is bad for your bike, but under certain circumstances it may not be the best.
As far as the E3s, the majority of complainers are now car tire enthuiasts, so there you have it.
i like the way you worded that... its like with my honda accord.. in the past few years there has been more and more transmissions that FAILED $$$$$$ so for the past few years people blamed the trany fluid for this as (its a honda its perfect) so then honda and acura people started using every transmission fluid under the sun! top of the line full synthetic to racing trany fluid, Then a few years ago Honda redesigned their trany fluid to be Full Synth and said it can be used in older accords but the older fluid can Not be used in the newer accords. but guess what. the transmissions Kept failing still !! but there was No pattern.. people installed transmission coolers, changed the fluid every 15k miles instead of every 100k and yet they failed and some didnt.. then what pissed people off even more was,. the people that spent the extra money on very short fluid change intervals and trany coolers were having their transmissions fail while a few that Never changed their fluid were still in operation at over 90,000 miles on the clock and still going... they were all accord V6 transmission (2003-07) only later did you read online that honda set aside funds to replace these transmission when they failed or pay for a large part of it. in the end for this application no matter what people did some people were just Unlucky.. personally i hate to think of it as Luck.. i wold rather have honda or someone explain it... but im not important enough for such a answer.. =)
its just interesting how two of the same vehicle running the same fluid can have different results... like with our amsoil/synth oil debate. one guy spend $$$$ on doing everything he can to prevent the failure and his fails while someone else who could care less has his run forever..
Take a step back and ask yourself - does it really matter if it's the bike or the oil if there's a reasonable solution? Nobody is saying amsoil sucks. If a bike has a clutch that's just barely not slipping with one oil, then it slips with another, but can still offer lots of working miles after switching back - why go on a tirade about it not being the oil's fault? Who gives a shit? So maybe I could put new clutch plates and springs in my bike to tighten it back up to a spec where it didn't slip with amsoil. It's a helluva lot easier and cheaper to not do that and run oil that costs less anyway. So maybe the clutch is on its way out, but if it holds for another few oil changes that's still a huge win.
Im taking it you dont tour then.... or never broke down hundreds of miles away from home... i have on BOTH accounts.. this is why i have a victory now. my kaw left me stuck with a 3 week wait on parts and they had to be sent from japan they were not stored in the U.S. (at least not that part). you are right if you can switch to a oil and call it a "fix" then good. but it is REALLY fixed? or was it a band aid? would you want a band aid on a 4000 mile trip.. |
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LaGrange, GA | Arkainzeye - 2012-05-13 10:21 PM
BrandonM7 - 2012-05-13 9:02 PM
Arkainzeye - 2012-05-13 7:36 PM
varyder - 2012-05-13 4:47 PM
So many factors go into the applications of oil so for anyone to make blanket statesments that one brand verses another is the only thing to use, doesn't see the bigger picture. I'm not surprised that one bike has an issue and another one doesn't. I've gone through a spectrum of practical applications, read too many threads on oil, mixed it all up in a bowl and have made a very educated decision. I will never again use a full-synthectic oil in a wet clutch application unless the manufacturer specifically says so. With that said, the majority of riders out there will never understand what I'm talking about, because they will never ever experience the conditions that have brought me to that conclusion. I will not say that full synthetic, AMSOIL or otherwise is bad for your bike, but under certain circumstances it may not be the best.
As far as the E3s, the majority of complainers are now car tire enthuiasts, so there you have it.
i like the way you worded that... its like with my honda accord.. in the past few years there has been more and more transmissions that FAILED $$$$$$ so for the past few years people blamed the trany fluid for this as (its a honda its perfect) so then honda and acura people started using every transmission fluid under the sun! top of the line full synthetic to racing trany fluid, Then a few years ago Honda redesigned their trany fluid to be Full Synth and said it can be used in older accords but the older fluid can Not be used in the newer accords. but guess what. the transmissions Kept failing still !! but there was No pattern.. people installed transmission coolers, changed the fluid every 15k miles instead of every 100k and yet they failed and some didnt.. then what pissed people off even more was,. the people that spent the extra money on very short fluid change intervals and trany coolers were having their transmissions fail while a few that Never changed their fluid were still in operation at over 90,000 miles on the clock and still going... they were all accord V6 transmission (2003-07) only later did you read online that honda set aside funds to replace these transmission when they failed or pay for a large part of it. in the end for this application no matter what people did some people were just Unlucky.. personally i hate to think of it as Luck.. i wold rather have honda or someone explain it... but im not important enough for such a answer.. =)
its just interesting how two of the same vehicle running the same fluid can have different results... like with our amsoil/synth oil debate. one guy spend $$$$ on doing everything he can to prevent the failure and his fails while someone else who could care less has his run forever..
Take a step back and ask yourself - does it really matter if it's the bike or the oil if there's a reasonable solution? Nobody is saying amsoil sucks. If a bike has a clutch that's just barely not slipping with one oil, then it slips with another, but can still offer lots of working miles after switching back - why go on a tirade about it not being the oil's fault? Who gives a shit? So maybe I could put new clutch plates and springs in my bike to tighten it back up to a spec where it didn't slip with amsoil. It's a helluva lot easier and cheaper to not do that and run oil that costs less anyway. So maybe the clutch is on its way out, but if it holds for another few oil changes that's still a huge win.
Im taking it you dont tour then.... or never broke down hundreds of miles away from home... i have on BOTH accounts.. this is why i have a victory now. my kaw left me stuck with a 3 week wait on parts and they had to be sent from japan they were not stored in the U.S. (at least not that part). you are right if you can switch to a oil and call it a "fix" then good. but it is REALLY fixed? or was it a band aid? would you want a band aid on a 4000 mile trip..
Fair enough - I do have about 120k under my butt, but no long tours. I also understand how mechanical things work though, so I don't sweat the difference between bandaids and fixes. If I can get 40k miles out of a bandaid (my v6 accord tranny with new fluid and 2 bottles of trans medic after the first shudder) I'm cool with it. I also know that a slipping clutch will not leave me stranded in Timbuktu for 3 weeks. |
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Barefoot Bay, FL United States | Using Amsiol 20-50. Last two oil changes, 5100+ miles using it. NO SLIPPAGE!!! Just rolled 30,500. So there!! '08 Vic Vis Premie "Chrome IS a color" like round IS a shape!! |
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LaGrange, GA | witchbiker - 2012-05-14 8:27 AM
Using Amsiol 20-50. Last two oil changes, 5100+ miles using it. NO SLIPPAGE!!! Just rolled 30,500. So there!! '08 Vic Vis Premie "Chrome IS a color" like round IS a shape!!
That's something I've been kind of wondering, but didn't want to ask (since oil is very touchy here) - are most folks that run Amsoil still doing the 2500 mile change interval? That's pure curiosity asking, I'm not trying to lead into any kind of "gotcha" or anything like that. |
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