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Fort Walton Beach, FL | pollolittle - 2011-08-30 1:26 PM
Yep, and it's been mentioned that he should take it there. But that ain't his point. He is not getting fair treatment from the dealerships!
To avoid all confusion, we collectively think he should take the bath and move on to a bike and dealership of his choice. Because predominantly he ain't changing most of our minds about the company we support or the bike we ride.
1. He should open his own dealership and show us how its done and still be profitable.
2. Go to work for the company and help change it in the right direction.
3. Put more effort into getting CHANGE made instead of bashing the existence of said company, which isn't bringing about change.
4. With the amount of effort on his part to sully, bad mouth, steer customers away from Polaris / Victory, he could have already gotten his Masters degree in Business Administration and Marketing! Which would allow him to have a job at the company of his choice to promulgate CHANGE!
Yes, I have the right to read or not read your commentary! I also have the right to reply, which seemed to interest me at the moment.
Instead of me taking a "bath" why don't you personally chip in the difference if my posts are such a bother?
I am not going to change your mind, and I don't want to change your mind... you obviously have drunken the kool aid. But I will continue to voice my opinion when and where there is another rider asking questions or making comments about the Victory bikes and the company that stands behind them - NOT!
Also, I have no interest in "changing" Polaris/Victory... let them lead themselves down whatever path they choose. Makes little difference to me.
There are two sides to every coin... both have the right to shine. Because my side may not be to your and your ilks liking doesn't mean that it should be shoved under the carpet... put all the facts on the table and let each individual decide for themselves what conclusions they draw. |
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New Bohemia, Va | sometimes one side of the coin is dirty... |
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Fort Walton Beach, FL | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-08-31 8:25 AM
sometimes one side of the coin is dirty...
That's only YOUR opinion... and it's only your opinion which side it is. I believe in full disclosure in everything... no hidden agenda, no glossing over the facts as they appear to be. "Political Correctness" was introduced by un-creative people who could not nor would not grasp the idea that people have different perspectives on happenings in life... they were/are only comfortable in their own middling view of life. |
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Brighton, TN | HandyHoward if nothing else I'll give you the point of being passionate to the extreme! I don't have the passion you have for the quest you are on, Kudos to you. Like most others, it would seem easier in life to take the bath and move on to something else which would give me more pleasure for the amount of time I have left, than be overwhelmed and passionately distasteful of the product I own. I ain't made of money and I do most all of my own work on bikes and vehicles I own and when they become a burden mentally, no matter the cost, I unload it to make room for better things in my mind. Which of course, get justified appropriately, due to the amount of money I had to let go of.
Yeah man, the kool-aid tastes great with a little watermelon and rum added to it. I would rather see you happy with the bike of your choice than disgruntled. So, if I could pour you some Kool-aid it wouldn't be my flavor but I'd at least ask which flavor you wanted and stir it up for you and hand it to you with two large cubes of ice to keep it cool.
I would gather to venture there are disgruntled economic consumers from every company. I just have to weed through the products and choose the best I can. When I chose Victory, it had the best options for my happy mindset.
In response to your above post - It would seem you are only projecting the bad perspective of your experience, if what you deem as necessary to an unfiltered, un-political correctness, then wouldn't you give the good also. Just wondering.
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New Bohemia, Va | It the scheme of things most folks are only out for their own gain. I would say this of Polaris and Victory and Indian. Those that work they need the dollars we spend for their product, just as each of us that work have our talent we sell. It is obvious that Victory has done a very good job of decieving a small portion of the masses who choose to ride motorcycles. Handyhoward has carried the torch to expose this evilness of Polaris. Harley must be the shiny penny of all motorcycles since they are spotless of the travesties that Handyhoward has exposed of Victory. I am beginning to see the error of my ways and will purchase a Harley the next time when my Vision succumbs to all the hidden problems that Victory will refuse to address or I am unable to repair. And here I thought that Harley was the evil one and the more costly motorcycle to own and maintain. Thanks Handyhoward for exposing this evil empire and enlightening me. I am forever grateful
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Fort Walton Beach, FL | This isn't about the bike itself... if you would read my other posts, I do think that the Victory Vision that I ride is great... After I have fixed the items that should have been taken care of by the company, the bike runs and drives great. This IS about the lack of customer caring that permeates all of the motorcycle industry, and especially Victory/Polaris. My warning stands... IMO Victory is at the bottom of the customer satisfaction index when it comes to their dealers being willing and able to do competent work on their own bikes. |
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| vision10 - 2011-08-28 12:50 PM My e3 rear tire come apart on my trip to Cape Cod. I noticed i lilttle vibration on the highway when i took my hotel's exit it was as if i was running a square tire. I stopped and saw that the tread was coming off. Tire was in bad shape most of the tread had rips like in it. Call the local victory dealer and they didn't have a tire in stock coundn't get one until Monday or Tuesday day this was Thrusday. I then called a honda dealer, they had one in stock and would fix it the next day. What is it with victory dealers not having tires in stock (second time a victory dealer didn't have a tire in stock)? Thevictory dealer didn't seem interested in helping me find a tire. Has any one have this problem with thier e3 tires or ideas why this happen? I check my tire before i left on my trip- pressure was good (41) and tire was in good shape still had plenty of miles left on it. I ride two up with gear. This is the second e3 that has done this to me the first one I thought I might had ran it low on pressure so now i check pressure almost everytime I ride. Going to call my polaris dealer on Monday and then hopefully will get a number for the tire company. I have probably gone through 5 or 6 sets of E3s, 4 sets on my old GL1800 Goldwing and 2 sets so far on my Vision and I have NEVER heard of something like this happening. Obviously you you check your pressures so that shouldn't have been an issue (I run the same pressure in my rear tire) so perhaps it is possible that you simply had a defective tire. I would write or contact Dunlop with the manufacturing date code of the tire (if you recorded it) and see what they say. As far as the Victory dealerships not carrying the tires and having to order them, I have seen a trend in Victory dealerships that they tend to be small dealerships with usually less than 7-8 people working there including the mechanics or owners. That means that they probably do not have the financial capital to stock multiple sets of tires for all the different Victory models. Most Honda dealerships are usually much larger and with much larger sales, thus they have the financial capital to have a completely stocked parts department. I have run into the need to have parts ordered from my Honda dealer so even they do not have everything in stock. In the end, I'm glad to hear that you did not have an accident due to your failed tire and that you were able to get it replaced while on the road. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Handyhoward - 2011-08-31 8:06 AM This isn't about the bike itself... if you would read my other posts, I do think that the Victory Vision that I ride is great... After I have fixed the items that should have been taken care of by the company, the bike runs and drives great. This IS about the lack of customer caring that permeates all of the motorcycle industry, and especially Victory/Polaris. My warning stands... IMO Victory is at the bottom of the customer satisfaction index when it comes to their dealers being willing and able to do competent work on their own bikes. Thats funny! Bottom of WHO'S 'customer satisfaction index'???? Yours? Time for the 'old standby fix' that I apply anytime I think someone is out to 'poison' prospective new Victory owners. There have been 2 others since I joined the forum 3 years back - I wouldn't be surprised if they are getting paid to do this. Here's what I do (and will do right after I post this): Click on 'Control Panel' and you will see these choices: Unsubscribe from threads
Mass subscribe / unsubscribe to forums
Add / Edit Ignore List
Select Add / Edit Ignore - and add the user who's opinions you don't want to read. Voila! Instant Grief Relief ! You can even add MINE !!! |
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The Great Northwet | "This isn't about the bike itself... if you would read my other posts, I do think that the Victory Vision that I ride is great... After I have fixed the items that should have been taken care of by the company, the bike runs and drives great. This IS about the lack of customer caring that permeates all of the motorcycle industry, and especially Victory/Polaris. My warning stands... IMO Victory is at the bottom of the customer satisfaction index when it comes to their dealers being willing and able to do competent work on their own bikes."
And here I thought this was about a TIRE PROBLEM..... Now I'm scared...when will my vision disintegrate beneath me...i have 40,000 miles on her so it must happen soon.....right? And since there are NO PARTS or TIRES at the dealers WHO DON'T GIVE A SHIT...well...I'll just have to join Cap'n Nemo and buy me a Hardley Drivenson.....
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Fort Walton Beach, FL | Thats funny! Bottom of WHO'S 'customer satisfaction index'???? Yours?
That's what "IMO" means...LOL |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | IMHO if a 'heavy opinion' is expressed then IMO it should be IMHO since IMO implies someone might be impressed by your opinion and IMHO no one should. |
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New Bohemia, Va | Vision10 - sorry for hijacking your thread with other comments. As far as the E3's go, Victory was very wise to go with the Gold Wing standard tire. I like the Dunlaps and particulary the E3s for various reasons plus the availability is great because of the Gold Wing. My dealer NEVER stocked the tires because they have to buy them up front and they usually don't have that kind of cash flow. Also, they don't expect you to NEED it right now and would hope you would order them and wait for them to come in. I did that one time with my dealer. The bad thing is too me is that they are not ready to support the wayfaring stranger who needs a tire and is stuck, oh but wait, find a Honda dealer who keeps them normally in stock.
I didn't read back through the posts so I don't know if these were mentioned, but if your tire is losing air it could be something else. No tire is made to run low for any length of time. Other things to check is the valve stem, valve core, bead or cracked rim. I would think there is a certain liability for the orginal tire to Polaris, but after the first one that would go to the tire manufacturer unless you had a manufacturer defect in your rim that caused the leak. Also, it would be up to you or your service point to change or recommend change of the valve stem or inspect for problems and not make Polaris liable. One would hope one day that Victory dealers are as plentious as Wal-Marts, but that day isn't tomorrow.
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Fort Walton Beach, FL | donetracey - 2011-08-31 2:25 PM
IMHO if a 'heavy opinion' is expressed then IMO it should be IMHO since IMO implies someone might be impressed by your opinion and IMHO no one should.
You know what people who cannot think of anything smart to say do? They start picking nits... IMO IMHO LMAO |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Handyhoward - 2011-08-31 12:59 PM You know what people who cannot think of anything smart to say do? They start picking nits... IMO IMHO LMAO And you're good at it ! - IMHO |
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| Cap'n Nemo - 2011-08-31 2:33 PM Vision10 - sorry for hijacking your thread with other comments. As far as the E3's go, Victory was very wise to go with the Gold Wing standard tire. I like the Dunlaps and particulary the E3s for various reasons plus the availability is great because of the Gold Wing. My dealer NEVER stocked the tires because they have to buy them up front and they usually don't have that kind of cash flow. Also, they don't expect you to NEED it right now and would hope you would order them and wait for them to come in. I did that one time with my dealer. The bad thing is too me is that they are not ready to support the wayfaring stranger who needs a tire and is stuck, oh but wait, find a Honda dealer who keeps them normally in stock. I didn't read back through the posts so I don't know if these were mentioned, but if your tire is losing air it could be something else. No tire is made to run low for any length of time. Other things to check is the valve stem, valve core, bead or cracked rim. I would think there is a certain liability for the orginal tire to Polaris, but after the first one that would go to the tire manufacturer unless you had a manufacturer defect in your rim that caused the leak. Also, it would be up to you or your service point to change or recommend change of the valve stem or inspect for problems and not make Polaris liable. One would hope one day that Victory dealers are as plentious as Wal-Marts, but that day isn't tomorrow. I hope you get it figured out. A BIG +1!
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Indianapolis, IN | Just a quick plug for one of the Indy dealers, Falcone Powersports. When I had my blowout on the rear E3 a couple weeks ago - due to a large piece of sheet metal that sliced into my tire - I was about 7 miles from that dealer. I called and they stayed open 45 minutes late to accommodate me, offered to provide a pickup of my bike if I needed and had an E3 in stock with which they repaired my bike by 10:00 the next morning. Some dealers run a AAA+ operation and know how to provide great service. I have had the same level of customer service with Indy Powersports on the northwest side of Indy.
As for the E3's, per my previous post related to my blowout, I am amazed at the amount of sidewall support designed into this tire and how well the bike handles on a flat rear E3 in an emergency situation. I would trust that tire more at this point than anything else on the market at this time.
As far as availability goes, I would be willing to bet the E3 is one of if not the most available tire on the market in the U.S. Any dealer can handle the tire change on any bike. So I say we are in the perfect place as far as riding security when it comes to our tires. |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | Outstanding! This is better than an oil thread! And no Kittens dying! LOL
Dunlop, Polaris, Victory, Harley (and a player to be named later) are obviously of the Devil and need immediate exorcism!
Egads I love this website! hahahaha!!!
Give me a minute to get some more popcorn and another beer! ROTFLMAO!! :0>
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New Bohemia, Va | Riding Off To Find Lisa Maria And Olivia.... (ROTFLMAO) |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | Roger that!
I can see that the weight of the Vision can be problematic for tires, however...It weighs more than my sister, and NOTHING weighs more than my sister. Except my other sister!
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | +1 IMHO - LMAO2
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Goldsboro, NC | pollolittle - 2011-08-31 10:41 AM
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Yeah man, the kool-aid tastes great with a little watermelon and rum added to it. I would rather see you happy with the bike of your choice than disgruntled. ...
I would gather to venture there are disgruntled economic consumers from every company. ..."Disgruntled"?!?! Did you just call HH a pig with laryngitis? |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | trailbarge - 2011-09-01 9:19 AM pollolittle - 2011-08-31 10:41 AM ... Yeah man, the kool-aid tastes great with a little watermelon and rum added to it. I would rather see you happy with the bike of your choice than disgruntled. ... I would gather to venture there are disgruntled economic consumers from every company. ..."Disgruntled"?!?! Did you just call HH a pig with laryngitis? ROTFLMAO*2 |
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| Just out of curiosity....what are you guys paying for your Dunlop E3 180/60R 16 tires? Trying to find best deals.
Found local dealer offering them at $195 and change. That seem about right? |
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| Noe, check out the thread I started about the deal from Direct Line Parts on everything they carry including tires. I just ordered a set of E3s from them for $308 with FREE shipping. |
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Brighton, TN | That's about right within a few dollars, and then have the dealer install them for free or at least mount them for free.
Disgruntled - hmmmmmmm! Never thought of it that way! I might get more use out of the word if that were the case. May have to try it!
Oh yeah! Never had me a problem with an E3 and had a flat with the wife and I on it and drove back home. Just felt a little wiggly, but no damage, plugged it and rode on. That is the only tire I have been running for a while.
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