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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | rlreed - 2009-08-31 8:17 AM
Check out this site for a simple straight forward explaination of regular vs premium.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2565/whats-the-difference-...
Good read, but in a Victory we need to bear in mind that the motor does not have a knock sensor. So if does not have the ability to retard timing for pinging situations. Meaning if the motor is not pinging then you have plenty of octane.
Also disagree with the slower burning as an oversimplified statement of how octane works. It is slower to ignigte, but has the same burn rate
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New Bohemia, VA | kevinx - 2009-08-31 8:53 AM
All of my comments can easily be substantiated with just a little research on the part of my reader.
I do not deal in hearsay, or half truths. I deal in facts, and personal experience. I have been a professional mechanic for over 25 years, and have had continuing education the entire time. I have raced, and built winning racing machines for numerous types of competitions. I research anything that interest me with a voracious appetite
kevinx don't take my comment a personal knock on you, but reading any thread here on any topic or other forum only confuses the reader. one says this, and the other says that, and then someone post some article that makes sense to some but is total bunk to others. The thread lives on. I would like to call you on the phone and talk one on one with you than to read a post here that is often refuted, and that is not a lick on you, it happens to anybody.
That is why most techs will refrain from even going to a forum. That is my point and nothing more...
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Memphis,Tn. | "That is why most techs will refrain from even going to a forum."
No joke.
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New Bohemia, VA | well - I went on with my "experience" and ran the bike down to empty and put in "mid-grade" (89) Octane. The knocking subsided some and I still had an occasional pop. I used some carbon cleaner when using the lower octane (87) and it would run better with the additive. I did about 3 tanks on 87, and a half a tank on 89. When my bike did something it has not done since my 45,000 service I decided enough of listening to voodoo mechanics and went immediatley to the station, topped it off with 93 and put in an octane booster. So, what did it do? Stalled! just like the old days. Of course this was my experiment and I did it on my own accord, so if I screwed up my motor with my experiment it is my fault. But unless I cannot get 93, that is all I'm putting in it for now on. Using the 89 octane it still knocked and pinged but not as bad - so for my bike it is "tuned" for the 93 or higher octane.
Just thought I'd do a follow up on this in case some of you are thinking of going to a lower octane. for those folks that have no problems with the lower octane, that's great.
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| I fill up with what the manufacturer recommends in all my vehicles. They run fine and last many miles. If 20 cents a gallon is going to blow your budget maybe you should have bought something else? I don't know all those fancy terms and math equations, I just know what works best in my vehicles.
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New Bohemia, VA | RedRider - 2009-09-04 9:41 AM
I fill up with what the manufacturer recommends in all my vehicles. They run fine and last many miles. If 20 cents a gallon is going to blow your budget maybe you should have bought something else? I don't know all those fancy terms and math equations, I just know what works best in my vehicles.
Let's ride.....
RR I know your comment was a general statement, but I don't worry about saving 20 cents, my "experiment" didn't even have that in the equation. it was based off the assessment by some that 93 octane is a CYA figure and that our bikes are able to run a lower octane. I've never explored that option ever in the life of any of my bikes, always running premium. But I took the plunge and found out the it was a bad expedition.
I agree, and convinced that the number in the book is there for a reason and that forums are prone to spread bad info.
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Boydsville, AR United States | The powers that be want to add another 5% corn, and REQUIRE it here in ND on all grades. The corn does'nt have the same BTU content as streight gas. Yes it will help detonation, but mileage will suffer under load. It is simple math. BTU acan be transferes to work, or HP. It takes HP to move yopu down the highway. My work truck (9600 lbs or so) gets suckey mileage on corn. My car hardley notices it, and my Vic looses 3 to 5 MPG. Soooo..... For all it's worth, that's all I've got to say about that! |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | varyder - 2009-09-04 4:28 AM
well - I went on with my "experience" and ran the bike down to empty and put in "mid-grade" (89) Octane. The knocking subsided some and I still had an occasional pop. I used some carbon cleaner when using the lower octane (87) and it would run better with the additive. I did about 3 tanks on 87, and a half a tank on 89. When my bike did something it has not done since my 45,000 service I decided enough of listening to voodoo mechanics and went immediatley to the station, topped it off with 93 and put in an octane booster. So, what did it do? Stalled! just like the old days. Of course this was my experiment and I did it on my own accord, so if I screwed up my motor with my experiment it is my fault. But unless I cannot get 93, that is all I'm putting in it for now on. Using the 89 octane it still knocked and pinged but not as bad - so for my bike it is "tuned" for the 93 or higher octane.
Just thought I'd do a follow up on this in case some of you are thinking of going to a lower octane. for those folks that have no problems with the lower octane, that's great.
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L.I., N.Y. | Gentlemen I've solved the problem of what gasoline to use.  http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/roadtests/neander_1400_turbo_diese... Now convince Victory to use that engine, but I'm sure down the road someone will try to tell us that fuel oil works better than diesel, or Sunoco's diesel is better than Flying J's or Texaco's. All fun intended gentlemen  also found this. http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/02/25/thunder-star-1200-dies... with mpg to boot. http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/02/26/150mpg-motorcycle/
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running regular gas
