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Memphis | Varyder, TopFuel took three perfectly good unused filters and cut them at the seam across the bottom. Fram, Victory and I think the other one might have been Purolator. I was shocked at how much difference there was in the amount of filter media (paper) and the quality of the valves. Victory has two valves and a lot more media to trap particles. I've always used Fram in my cars and trucks with no ill effects but was shocked at how cheesy it looked inside compared to the Victory. The Purolator was even worse but I expected that. Lots of guys swear by Wix but I've never seen a real side-by-side comparison of the exact filters I use until the TopFuel demo. He's a Ferrari guy. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.... |
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks SF. I saw a video on youtube, I think, that showed the wix and it had good results if I recall. I forgot which filter he was comparing it too. I've got a supertech I want to cut apart to see what it looks like compared to the Victory filter. I used the ST the last oil run and I'm currently running, uh, Fram. I'm glad the oil change is only 2,500 miles. I might go with wix this time around. Orange doesn't go well with Midnight Cherry, not as well as chrome or black.
I will note that using the ST filter the oil looked to be more translucent than my previous oil changes... |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Top Fuel,
Any chance you have pix of the cut apart filters to show??? Lord knows the wannabe engineers around here need a good show, and tell |
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Memphis | Kevin, They are sitting on the front counter at FRS Powersports so if TopFuel doesn't have pics I'll take some next time I'm there. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | SongFan - 2009-09-08 9:45 AM
Kevin, They are sitting on the front counter at FRS Powersports so if TopFuel doesn't have pics I'll take some next time I'm there.
Sweet...thanks |
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LaPorte,Tx. | I'm interested in if anyone knows and can pass on the bypass pressure valve setting for the Polaris oil filter used on the Vision. |
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Memphis,Tn. | The filters I cut open were a Fram, Mobil 1 and Polaris. Didn't know there would be such interest or I would have used a new Polaris filter. The one at FRS is actually a used filter that came off my Vision. I brake cleaned the oil out and it looks as good as new. I've tried to post some pics of the filters, my Vision and some Ferrari stuff but I get an error message that the files are too large... so I just shrug my sholders and move on to something else. Life's too short.
The media in the Fram looks like the cardboard they package chinese bootleg DVDs in. The Mobil 1 media looks better, but it uses the same cheap (IMO) bypass valve setup as the Fram. The Polaris is clearly the best. Great looking media and 2 actual coil springs to seal the bypass valve and canister assemblies. The icing on the cake is that the Polaris oil filter actually costs a dollar less than the Mobil 1 filter. A mechanical no brainer if there ever was one. I'm glad the guys at FRS didn't throw the filters away. I cut them open for my own self satisfation and thought the results were interesting enough to share with what I believe are the greatest bunch of guys at any bike dealership I've ever walked into.
The vehicles in the private collection I maintain are NOT mine!!! They belong to a local physician. (Imagine Jay Leno with a medical degree.) I'm in his garage nearly every weekend and have been for over 30 years. The collection is mainly collector cars with 7 old motorcycles thrown in for a little balance. My "real" job during the week is supervising 32 diesel mechanics for a mixed fleet transportation company. I see the insides of a lot of engines. One of my "hobbies" is surfing the web studying everything I can find about lubrication and filtration.
I worry alot more about what I do with someone else's vehicles than what I do with my own.
BTW, there will be a Car Show at the UPS Hub on Swinnea Rd at Memphis International Airport next Saturday from 10:00 til 3:30pm. I'll be there with a couple of cars. It would be great to meet some fellow Victory riders there.
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Memphis | TopFuel - The vehicles in the private collection I maintain are NOT mine!!! They belong to a local physician. (Imagine Jay Leno with a medical degree.) I'm in his garage nearly every weekend and have been for over 30 years. The collection is mainly collector cars with 7 old motorcycles thrown in for a little balance. My "real" job during the week is supervising 32 diesel mechanics for a mixed fleet transportation company. I see the insides of a lot of engines. One of my "hobbies" is surfing the web studying everything I could find about lubrication and filtration. I worry alot more about what I do with someone else's vehicles than what I do with my own. That's what makes it even more impressive! The Doc trusts you with that fleet. Just because you don't own one doesn't mean you're not one. I don't own an airplane but I consider myself an airplane guy. p.s. - I'll be there Saturday.
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Grand Cane, LA | There was a filter comparison some time back on the riderforums.com on the Kawasaki pages that had cut apart about ten major filter brands and they had done bypass pressure drops on them. They had the Purolator Pure One as the top filter but only beating out the K&N strictly on the price difference. All the tests were comparable between the two with price being the only real difference. Had been using them on my Meanstreak for the last 3 years before I traded it on the Vision. I will probably use them on the Vision next oil change. I believe the part # for the Purolator is PL4611. Will have to check when I get back home. |
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Memphis,Tn. | SongFan GREAT!! Looking forward to meeting you !!
I'll be there with at least one Ferrari. I'm not sure what else we'll bring yet.
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Brighton, TN | If you need help driving any of that gear to the car show, I'm sure Songfan and I would be willing to park our bikes for a moment to give a hand. I'll see if I can get loose. Got soccer to coach and then maybe get loose. |
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Scottsdale AZ | Pooooot theScooootchkin-Soccer??? You know how to coach soccer?? Thats funny! Kick that ball, kick that ball!
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New Bohemia, VA | DesertJim - 2009-09-09 1:01 PM
Pooooot theScooootchkin-Soccer??? You know how to coach soccer?? Thats funny! Kick that ball, kick that ball!
ROTFLMTO 
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Brighton, TN | Hmmmmm! I see you have reared your head out of the Sand! First off, let me clarify, I know nothing about Soccer, so the jokes on you, hahahahahhah! But since no one else signed up for the job, I was next in line for volunteering, so I got the job. so, see, I am qualified. |
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Scottsdale AZ | pollolittle - 2009-09-09 12:44 PM
Hmmmmm! I see you have reared your head out of the Sand! First off, let me clarify, I know nothing about Soccer, so the jokes on you, hahahahahhah! But since no one else signed up for the job, I was next in line for volunteering, so I got the job. so, see, I am qualified.
Go for it Poot!!! And- yes, the joke usually is on me. But that was funny! +1 with Vary ROTFLMAO ROTFLMTO - ROTFLMTO -that was 3 times the laugh-
Hope you are well - ride safe! |
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Memphis,Tn. | pollolittle, c'mon down!!! We'll flip a coin to see who drives/rides what.
This is also a bike show. I missed the inaugural show last year. (It was scheduled the same weekend as the NHRA races.)
Bring your Vision and enter it for 20 bucks. The show is free to spectators and "family friendly."
Back to the Oil Thread....... (sorry)
No way to really get a definitive answer as to the different filtering media efficiencies without spending a ton of cash. I looked at the overall filter designs as an indicator of the quality the manufacturer would also be willing to spec for their filtering media. |
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