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Iron Butt
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Tri Cities, WA | Well still have not intsalled them. The reason why is a few weeks back i was in my garage and accidentally knocked over the new front black rim and from what i cant tell they were NOT powerder coated black but painted black. Becasue when it just fell over and the whole side started to chip away im pretty sure that powder coatings dont just chip/flake off. I'm no powder coating expert so I really couldnt tell the difference when they came because they looked good. So I guess the guy who sold them to me was not honest at all and lied in his e-bay add. Damn it! I may have to get them redone or maybe i will just get them chromed. Not sure now what i will do. I'm just little miffed at being ripped off. Hell i may just sell them as is too. |
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Visionary
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| Travelin, it is actually a very well documented and known problem with 90 degree stems on bike wheels causing flats. Even the very good high quality metal w/seals have been found to have caused flats. As mentioned by the previous poster I would not recommend their installation on any bike. Just thought I'd toss this out since there appears to be some disagreement.... in any case folks will do what they will, ride safe....... T |
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Iron Butt
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| Teach, I respect what you are saying, except I have never seen the "well documented" as you say facts. One fact that stands out is that Honda has been using 90 degree valve stems on the Goldwing since 1987 and the only failures that are documented are from bikes where the owner either took off the support or the support was lost during a tire change. I have been riding with motorcycle touring clubs and associations since '94 and within the clubs and local chapters I have ridden with there has NEVER been one incident of a 90 valve stem failure. This brings the chance of something going wrong with a properly installed and maintained 90 valve stem into the same chance of getting struck by lightning or winning the lottery. I personally have over 300,000 miles on bikes with both the supported 90 degree valve stem and with the bent, bolted in type and I have NEVER had a failure or a problem of any kind. Some people get it in their heads when they read something on an internet forum such as this and they believe it without ever having had ANY EXPERIENCE with what is being discussed. Everything aside I would greatly appreciate you posting a link(s) to any "well documented" failures that are not based on an internet discussion thread.
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Visionary
Posts: 1436
| Travelin since you mentioned Honda's specifically I picked this link, but there are many others: http://www.ridetexoma.com/Safety/GL1800ValveStemALERT.html
In addition to rubber 90 degree stem failures numerous metal 90's have a history of failure due to oxidation and corrosion issues. Newer aluminum 90's are currently available which are lower profile but again the dissimilar metals will cause corrosion issues and result in a potential risk. We won't even mention the potential for breaking a low profile aluminum 90 on any number of road hazards.
You hit on one of the issues when you mentioned the 90's with supports, but the issue goes beyond centrifugal force. I have NO interest in arguing this matter with you, or any other. You will run what you like and please do, but as you stated when you make a recommendation folks will get it in their heads this is a good thing, after all you are an experienced rider and everything on the internet is true. So they will take your advice and their inexperience right to the grave.
For the record 2 Goldwings with over 120k each, one Sportster 127k, one Suzi LC 40k, one RG 140k, another w/10k (only had it 5 months) and a Vision with over 20k.... all straight stems, never a tire failure.... those are just the bikes since 96. Miles ridden without failure doesn't mean you won't get bit, it just means you've been fortunate so far. Ride safe my friend....... T |
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