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Cruiser
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| Sorry to ask this but I could not find any topic on this. What I would like to know if anyone found a adapter or was able to rewire the Ipod connector so that they could use an other mp3 player instead of the ipod and still be able to operate the mp3 player through the bikes controls. Maybe a USB plug of some sorts would love some info.
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | I do not know of any other mp3 player that can be connected to the Vision and controlled from the handle bar controls.
Edited by radioteacher 2009-05-03 4:21 PM
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Tourer
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Centennial, CO | crash-bar - 2009-05-03 12:48 PM
Sorry to ask this but I could not find any topic on this. What I would like to know if anyone found a adapter or was able to rewire the Ipod connector so that they could use an other mp3 player instead of the ipod and still be able to operate the mp3 player through the bikes controls. Maybe a USB plug of some sorts would love some info.
There is really no other cable that will allow you to control the MP3 through the console. Basically, you are limited to either an IPOD or IPHONE with the IPOD cable and being able to control the MP3. Otherwise you are limited to the MP3 connector which allows audio into the stereo through the AUX input but no other functionality as far as changing tunes...etc. |
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Cruiser
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| with everyone here talking about how they striped there bike all the way to the frame and rebuild the bike so that its 1 inch higher or lower I would think that somone would of found a way to use a plain mp3 play through the bike controls any word about maybe victory putting out a universul controler plug ????? |
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Tourer
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San Antonio, TX United States | The only thng i have heard from my dealer, is the new i-Pod cable that is to be introduced soon to use the newer generation i-Pods and i-Phones. |
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Cruiser
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Houston, TX | There are MP3 players other than iPods?
What A Concept! |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | elvis441,
To tell the truth, I never thought I would own an iPod. My music players in the past have been Dell and Creative Labs units. I never thought the iPod was worth the extra money because it was proprietary and locked into a single software platform.
Since buying the Vision, I have learned to live with the iPod's differences and keep two separate software platforms for computer based music. One (iTunes) for the iPod and the Vision and the other (Winamp) for general computer enjoyment.
I could use just Winamp to manage both lists but I have decided to maintain a separate systems since the type of music and playlists I ride with are very different.
The key for me was buying cheap older iPods from Pawn shops and figuring out how to fully use the playlists from the Vision's radio buttons. I still use my Creative Labs mp3 players for books on tape and working out.
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Cruiser
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Houston, TX | thanks for the tip teach. ;-) |
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Cruiser
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Kansas City, Ks | I guess I don't understand what the issue is with using an iPod? I have a couple and I have yet to find any other MP3 player
to work that easy... Itunes is easy, using is easy, there are plenty of extras (cases and what not), they are inexpensive...
So, why fight it for the sake of fighting or for the sake of cheap?
Or maybe it's just me???? |
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Cruiser
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| Well to tell you the truth there is not much of a issue the only thing is that my girlfriend works for the clams department at Wal-mart were she tells me that they get tons of returns there with the ipod so I was hoping to get a more reliable mp3 player. But I still would like to operate it from the bike. I would think that victory would do a more universal adapter to do the job if not I thought that some one from here already have done that. It seems that most of the people here can rebuild a bike from the ground up, wail some like me are having a hard time keeping up. Still don"t know how that DAMN Flux Compassator works. Anyone knows spooks phone number. |
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Cruiser
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Under the Rule of Jedi - Masshole | The one problem I see with making a universal adapter for mp3 players is that there are so many different models on the market, and I'm sure none have the same pin outs when it comes to cables.
I have an iPhone. Don't use it on the bike because I have a Zumo 550 for my music need. One thing to thing about, and maybe not all mp3 players are like this, but on some of the ones I've seen the only connections as far as where to attach cables to are the 3.5mm earphone and a usb. Nether of which would work to fully control the unit. So with that said, Victory had to pick one, and since the iPod/iPhone does a lot more than other players, and being more popular, that's probably why they choose it.
Edited by Member No. 1 2009-05-04 2:03 PM
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | crash-bar,
According to Bloomberg, the Apple iPod has over a 72% market share for mp3 players in 2008. Some groups put that number higher. The Zune was recently boasting a 4% share of the market.
If I was building a device that would interface with an mp3 player, I would build it to fit the most popular hardware. I would want 7 out of 10 people that have the devices just to plug it in. I would not build it for the 1 in 20 group.
The reason they see more iPods coming in for repair is that there are more iPods then any other device. Plus look at the target market. I think it starts as low as 12 years old and goes to 25 or 28. That group is not know for taking care of what was bought for them. If seven or eight out of every ten mp3 players come back for repair are iPods then that is about right.
For a universal control system you would have to get all of the manufactures to sit down and agree to a common interface and protocol. I am sure that Apple, the 400 lb gorilla, would laugh at the idea.
If you built a device like a Zune with an iPod connector on it using iPod protocol, the Apple legal team would be on you before you could press play. The same goes for most other manufactures.
I do not know of any control and charging Accessory that works with different manufactures mp3 players.
The only thing that most but not all mp3 players have on them that is universal, the headphone jack.
Edited by radioteacher 2009-05-04 2:42 PM
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Tourer
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | radioteacher - 2009-05-04 2:23 PM
crash-bar,
According to Bloomberg, the Apple iPod has over a 72% market share for mp3 players in 2008. Some groups put that number higher. The Zune was recently boasting a 4% share of the market.
If I was building a device that would interface with an mp3 player, I would build it to fit the most popular hardware. I would want 7 out of 10 people that have the devices just to plug it in. I would not build it for the 1 in 20 group.
The reason they see more iPods coming in for repair is that there are more iPods then any other device. Plus look at the target market. I think it starts as low as 12 years old and goes to 25 or 28. That group is not know for taking care of what was bought for them. If seven or eight out of every ten mp3 players come back for repair are iPods then that is about right.
For a universal control system you would have to get all of the manufactures to sit down and agree to a common interface and protocol. I am sure that Apple, the 400 lb gorilla, would laugh at the idea.
If you built a device like a Zune with an iPod connector on it using iPod protocol, the Apple legal team would be on you before you could press play. The same goes for most other manufactures.
I do not know of any control and charging Accessory that works with different manufactures mp3 players.
The only thing that most but not all mp3 players have on them that is universal, the headphone jack.
Could not have said it better myself, can't expand on it.
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Cruiser
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Under the Rule of Jedi - Masshole | One other thing to consider, look on the selves of your local electronics/department stores and see how many "Docks" are made for other mp3 players. Most if not all are for Apples products. So you see Victory isn't the only one with this type of thinking. |
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Puddle Jumper
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west bend, wi | A quick search of the web for 'Zune' or 'Creative Labs' or 'MP3 players' and 'iPod adaptors' or 'pinouts' will tell you why you may not want to go there.... Seems Microsoft changes the pinout on almost every release of the Zune and the other players have about the same history... And we thought it was bad when Apple just stopped using the 12v pin for charging the new devices! |
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Cruiser
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VA | In a way, Victory did make it universal by offering a different cable, one for the iPod and one for a standard 3.5mm. I tend to get irritated with big companies...like iPod. But, I have had two iPod's now, and my wife has had two, and while there are some drawbacks, overall, they work really well. I can see people abusing them, and therefore returning them, but normal use finds it to be very sturdy. I was just glad that they did take the time to design an interface with the iPod. One thing I hated while listening to my iPod on my old bike was that I couldn't change what I was listening to until I stopped at a stoplight or something. So, that was really cool. Now, my complaint is that the Victory interface could have been done a little better. Rather than picking from one of 12 playlists, it would have been nice to be able to just select the next one using one of the other controls, like double clicking the up button on the raido or something, (which I know skips 10 songs). Other than that though, it works well, and it beats listening to the raio....hold on, I forgot, there's no reception on the Vision. That's the real question, when are they going to fix that. It's pretty bad! Still waiting for someone to come up with a good fix for that. I put the powered antenna on mine, but it's still pretty bad. |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | No, no and no. The iPod cable will not allow the radio to talk with another mp3 player. Apple patented the data protocol to prevent this. Getting the pinouts to match will not work; it would take a small PC to process and convert the data. It wouldn't be worth the $ or time wasted to persue this. There is not an adaptor on the market that adapts other mp3 players to work with the iPod. If someone was savvy enough to convert the data protocol from one mp3 player to the iPod, Apple would sue them. On top of that, there are very few mp3 players on the market that work identically; let alone an accepted, generic standard. This is similar to the reason VHS (JVC) and BETA (Sony) fought it out in the 80's. Yeah, Beta lost. Alot of owners were hosed but there was nothing they could do but move on. Take it or leave it; either you have an iPod (compatible generations) or you don't. I hate the fact that I bought an iPod to work with this bike but it has to be to make this work. There is a way to make the old gen cables work with the new gen iPods but it takes lead switching and power step-down. It's not worth the time or $ for DIY when you can get another adaptor for $30 or $40. |
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Tourer
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Goldsboro, NC | Forget about different manufacturers sitting down to agree on protocaols and all that. It will have to happen before you get your wish, but it is even more expansive than what you might think.
I've researched portable audio devices fairly extensively, although not for this particular post. I can not recall ANY device from ANY manufacturer other than Apple's iPod that will accept control from a remote station. In essence, its not gonna happen.
The only exceptions are those with a proprietary wireless remote. For those few devices, perhaps a sort of "learning TV remote" could be developed to transmit into the mp3 compartment... but that would only control the unit. Nothing would show up on the display and you would still need to use the headphone plug for audio out. A lot of development for a bad job, so count this one out, too.
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not an other ipod ???
