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Central Maryland | conn-e-rot - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM
I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
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Central Maryland | bwhittaker - 2013-01-31 10:30 AM
I got a shori lithium battery (27 amp hr) above 18 oem rating.
Bewarned the lithium ion is much much much more sensitive to cold weather. Won't crank my vision if below 60 degrees F. I did a lot of research before I paid $268 dollars but thought the cold weather beneifit of warming up the battery by running lights a few minutes would be a small price in order to have a battery that would work in the coldest of conditions. However, even with moderately cool weather the lithium Shori battery has problems. Hell I live in South Florida and this last weekend when it wouldn't start '"again" I tried warming up the battery with accessory running lights but ended up killing the battery before it would warm up enough to start the bike. This Shori battery is sensitive to cold - yes that was in the research I did but what I read did not hint that it was very very much more sensitive than the typical AGM battery. Note that I upgrade from 18ah to 27 ah but the cold factor was immensely greater than I had assumed.
I am buying another battery today.
I just saw re-read your above post about the Shorai. I agree, there has been other reports from other forums as well; about the less than stellar performance of the Shorai.
We have found that the Ballistic battery is of much better quality as far as performance in extreme conditions; and I can attest to the fact that it is very reliable.
I do also want to make it clear that I do not work for Ballistic nor have any personal gain with that company. I just want to dispel the negative "rumors" of powersport use lithium batteries. A lithium battery that has been properly designed (Ballistic) for auto/motorcycle charging technology and use; is the cat's meow these days. You will pay a little more for it, but you will get much better performance from one; as opposed to wet cell battery technology.
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| lithium batteries
what there lighter not when your pushing the bike
There smaller on a big bike like ours like that matters
There cleaner when jell filed battery's came out the corrosion went a way
You pay more money for them and only can hope they last longer
There recycle time is not as fast as a jell battery |
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Central Maryland | Many men are scared of new technology. It's ok... it won't bite ya... ya gotta shake off that old "Harley Davidson technology like syndrome" on go on into the 21st century... you ride a futuristic bike such as the Vision. Why are you hanging on to old battery technology; when properly designed Lithium's work better?
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Central Maryland | johnnyvision - 2013-02-01 6:38 PM
lithium batteries
what there lighter not when your pushing the bike
There smaller on a big bike like ours like that matters
There cleaner when jell filed battery's came out the corrosion went a way
You pay more money for them and only can hope they last longer
There recycle time is not as fast as a jell battery
1. Never have pushed the Rocket 3 (never would want to anyway)
2. Certainly (but in other applications - important)
3. AGM still will corrode - sorry. My Scorpion AGM battery corroded (within the terminal wells)
4. You pay your money; you take your chances. All batteries are a crap shoot when it comes to longevity
5. Lithium's recover MUCH quicker than a AGM or Wet cell. Matter of fact, I can bring my lithium to full 14.6 charge in 15 minutes on a 2 amp charge from 13.2. How fast can you do that on a AGM?
Lastly... a trickle charger is not required for a Lithium battery during cold weather. It looses less than 10 percent of it's charge over a 12 month period (unless you have parasitic draw from your bike). Then THAT'S YOUR fault!
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | willtill - 2013-02-01 6:00 PM
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
That video is trying to sell people on the Lithium Ion battery, but it shows three tries to get the bike started. I'm on my 5th winter of the original Yuasa and it starts 1st time every time. The old technology Yuasa cranks like a champ in any temp. I don't want to spend 5 mins every day after work trying to start my bike. Especially when other people are around. It makes the bike look like a POS and wastes my time.
Hydrogen cells are in the works (actually been around quite a while). It will quickly make Li-ion obsolete when it hits the market. They have 20,000 charge cycles and can last well over 10yrs. Most Li-ion have only 300~500 charge cycles and only last 3~5yrs. Li-ion batteries are great for cordless tools and cell phones due to their power, weight, and size. But, they are not practical for daily driver vehicles which see temperature extremes. I believe the Li-ion generation will be short lived due to much better technology coming down the pike.
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SF Bay Area | From my experience LI batteries make excellent power initially, and have a long shelf charge life... but when drained down beyond approx 50% they lose charge really fast... much faster than a regular lead/acid battery. Basically, they are great if you can keep them fully charged, but when low they may not be able to start your bike.
I think gel cell batteries are the best compromise, they behave like a lead acid battery, and are safe to ship, and in the case of the Oddysey, can be installed at any angle. For me, any lead acid battery that has close to 300CCA, and will fit in my bike will work for me. |
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Jasper, MO | willtill - 2013-02-01 5:00 PM
conn-e-rot - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM
I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
Interesting.... Ballistic battery involved. http://forums.thevmc.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=129221&posts...
Ronnie
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Central Maryland | That thread/link you posted is restricted. What did it entail? |
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Jasper, MO | Really? I just clicked on it and I can still see it.
It's a long post, but it involved a fellow who was having starting and running issues with his 2012 Vision. He ended up replacing his starter and battery, the first time with a Ballistic battery. The new starter fixed his starting problem, but the bike still had a lot of codes in the ECU, which a top wrench cleared with a Victory Digital Wrench, but the surging and stalling issues remained. Since nothing else they had tried worked, they swapped out the Ballistic battery for an OEM Yuasa battery and the bike straightened right up. The thinking that the owner and the mechanic (one of the top ones in the country) have now is that even though the Ballistic battery has a high CCA rating (410), it has a low reserve rating. Cranking the bike (if it doesn't start immediately) draws the battery down to too low a voltage, causing the ECU to get confused and possibly could cause the starter failure in the first place. The starter was burned up due to a cracked original battery--low voltage--and that battery was replaced by the Ballistic.
Strangely, simply replacing an almost new 12 cell Ballistic battery with an OEM battery is all it took to clear up the surging and stalling.
The owner contacted Ballistic and they suggested he should use their 16 cell battery instead of the 12 cell he has.
One of the top wrenches in the country is now developing a database to see if there is any correlation between Lithium Ion batteries and running issues and/or starter failures. No definite conclusions have been made yet.
Ronnie
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| This April will be 5 years and over 48,000 miles on my OE battery. On my previous touring bikes, 2 Honda Goldwings and a 2nd generation Yamaha Venture Royale I changed out batteries every 3 years regardless of mileage simply to be safe for trips. I haven't always put it on a tender when I haven't been able to ride for over a couple of weeks but I'm doing so now as my garage is now heated and I don't know what the constant 65 degree temperatures would do to the AGM battery's ability to maintain a charge, cooler temperatures do tend to increase battery life when they are not being cycled as they are when you are starting, riding, stopping, and repeating that cycle every few hours on a daily basis. |
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Conneaut, OH | willtill - 2013-02-01 6:00 PM
conn-e-rot - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM
I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
I asked Riders Discount because they sell Ballistic batteries and were offering a good deal on them and I was all set to buy one but they advised against it.... they suggested I stick with a traditional battery they didn't attempt to sell me any other battery they just didn't want a dissatisfied customer. |
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Central Maryland | conn-e-rot - 2013-02-05 3:19 PM
willtill - 2013-02-01 6:00 PM
conn-e-rot - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM
I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
I asked Riders Discount because they sell Ballistic batteries and were offering a good deal on them and I was all set to buy one but they advised against it.... they suggested I stick with a traditional battery they didn't attempt to sell me any other battery they just didn't want a dissatisfied customer.
Mmmm. Something doesn't seem quite right. They sell Ballistic batteries. But they advise against selling you one because they don't want a dissatisfied customer? Why do they carry and sell Ballistic batteries then?
Things don't quite add up here. Why are they carrying a product (Ballistic) and not willing to sell it to you? What's the reason? Claiming that they do not want a dissatisfied customer doesn't really offer anything here... information wise.
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Conneaut, OH | willtill - 2013-02-05 4:57 PM
conn-e-rot - 2013-02-05 3:19 PM
willtill - 2013-02-01 6:00 PM
conn-e-rot - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM
I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
I asked Riders Discount because they sell Ballistic batteries and were offering a good deal on them and I was all set to buy one but they advised against it.... they suggested I stick with a traditional battery they didn't attempt to sell me any other battery they just didn't want a dissatisfied customer.
Mmmm. Something doesn't seem quite right. They sell Ballistic batteries. But they advise against selling you one because they don't want a dissatisfied customer? Why do they carry and sell Ballistic batteries then?
Things don't quite add up here. Why are they carrying a product (Ballistic) and not willing to sell it to you? What's the reason? Claiming that they do not want a dissatisfied customer doesn't really offer anything here... information wise.
They said due to poor performance in colder temps |
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