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REXBURG IDAHO | SOMEONE THAT AT THE HOLY TOP OF VICTORY NEEDS TO READ THE ADV ON WHAT THEY MEAN THAT THEY ARE THE NEW AMERICAN MOTORCYCLE COMPANY AND DO WHAT THEY SAY AND BUILD A BIKE THAT DOES NOT HAVE CHEAP ASS PARTS AND SOMTHING YOU CAN BE PROUD TO RECOMEND TO YOUR RIDING FRIENDS. SO HOPE SOMEONE HAS THE TOP MANS EMAIL AND FORWARD THIS TO HIM. |
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REXBURG IDAHO | AND THEN ALL YOU VISION RIDERS WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE YOUR FORKS IN A SHOP.
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE BOKEN FENDERS.
YOU WOULD NOT BE PUTTING UPGRADED SPEAKERS
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE A CHEAP CLEAR COAT ON YOR BIKE.
YOU WOULD NOT BE LOOKING TO REPLACE OR UPGRADE YOUR SEAT BECAUSE ITS BROKE DOWN AFTER 15.000.00 MILES.
SO YOU BOYS AT VICTORY TAKE NOTICE AND PAY ATTENTION AND DO SAY SOMTHING YOU ARE NOT AND THAT IS THE NEW AMERICAN MOTORCYLE COMPANY.
WHAT YOU SHOULD SAY IS WE ARE THE NEW CHEAP ASS MOTORCYCLE COMPANY THAT USES CHEAP ASS PARTS. |
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Iowa | who sh*t in your cereal? |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Damn, that was a mouth full............... |
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Boydsville, AR United States | ya, what vision4me said! |
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REXBURG IDAHO | YA VICTORY DID. WITH THERE NEW AMERICAN MOTORCYLE. |
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Southeast Idaho | 35,000 miles on mine and the fork seals are shot, fork oil shot, broken front fender, seat foam is broken down to nothing, clear coat is horrible, neck bearing shot....Problem is i love this bike and the way it handles, I just can undertand why a $23000 dollar machine is wearing out so fast when its made to be a touring machine that should be able to withstand the abuse and hold up like a goldwing.....40,000 on the goldwing and nothing but trouble free miles
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Mine is PERFECT - but it's only 4 years old. I guess my time is coming, hope I live that long ....
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seattle, wa | It beats the alternative IMHO. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Not there yet, 1 year and 13k sMiles and it looks like new, handles like new, runs better than new and speakers work better than my Harley's did (new).
The bad thing about reading these forums, is that you start to think everybody is having problems with their bikes when it is only a small percentage of unlucky riders. I have met many Vision riders that have never had any problems and don't come to these forums. It seems like a lot of forum traffic is people that need answers to a problem and want to ask around before going to their dealer with it. The majority that don't have problems, are never heard from.
(I came here to find cool accessories)
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New Bohemia, VA | where are all these crybabies coming from all of a sudden?
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2011-09-13 5:09 AM
where are all these crybabies coming from all of a sudden?
I was thinking the samething.! All the sudden we went from a upper class forum to jerry springer type posts.... |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Harley must be running scared and has hired a few people to get on the competitions forums to stir things up. Heck, I could post that I was riding down the road with 75 miles on a brand new bike and not only did my engine fall out, but the belt jumped up and slapped me on the head, but we know that would not be true (MAYBE YOU'D BELIEVE ME MORE IF I TYPED EVERYTHING IN CAPS  ) Who can believe some of these trolls who sign on just to spew venom and try to drag Victory into the mud. You can tell by the style and context of the posts who is sincere in seeking good information an input and who is just trying to stir the pot.
I agree with Nozzledog on forums focusing the one or two people having problems and others assuming it is a bigger problem than it really is. If I posted everthing that performed well and didnt break, it would be a long boring list. One more thing, many people do come here to offer advice and looking for ideas to customize and upgrade. Just cause we are upgrading, doesn't mean parts are broken or inferior.
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| vision4me - 2011-09-12 9:29 PM who sh*t in your cereal? This, sorry your wifes mad at you too. |
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Okeefenokee Swamp | When you respond,you only add fuel to the fire.Ignore them and they go away. |
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Princeton, MN | Ditto,,,, 38k nothing but a GREAT BIG SMILE! and lots of people who wish they had one....ha HAVE A GREAT DAY! |
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Indianapolis, IN | <p>FYI....... On a whim I decided to ride to FL from Indy a week ago, and I never do this. So I says to my sweet and understanding wife, "Honey, since I'm taking a week off work for my 50th birthday and you can't, I think I'm going to do something out of the blue just cause I want to. I'm going to jump on my bike in the morning and ride it to Florida to see Jon". She said go for it, so I loaded up about 4 days cloths and some toiletries and drove straight through with 4 gas stops on the way, ending the ride down with and hour of riding in tropical storm Lee.Did I take tools, emergency supplies, a list of dealers on the way, etc etc. No! I got up at 5am, packed one bag. Threw in my rain suit and hit the opem road! I didn't even have one thought about whether I would have trouble getting to my son's house 700 miles away.Long story short 1600 miles total, five days and two storms and about 180.00 fuel. No troubles, just fun!!</p>
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New Bohemia, VA | HV, many could affirm your adventure with their own, I certainly can. Everytime I've hit the road, finding a dealer was the last thing on my mind. I've been to Texas, 1,650 miles in two days, 2,600 miles to Barstow in 4 days, and 3,000+ on the return trip home through the Nevada desert on the Loneliest Road in American, and never had any issues. Rode in the pouring rain, snow, and even ice, 110 degree tempatures - rolling 2 and 3 hour stretches only stopping long enough to get gas on 19 hour days. The Vision has long ago proven to have been the right choice in a long-distance hard hauler.
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Tucson, AZ | 71,000 miles on my 08, sure I had a bad front fender...big freaken deal. I love this bike....you put that many miles on anything and something is bound to fail....but the motor is as good today as it was the first day I got it....actually better today. Im never looking back...the other American motorcylcle company is a joke.....My Vision is the Best Cycle there is ...hands down.
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Central New York | Have you noticed that most of these "rant" posts come from posters in the "Puddle Jumper" class? I'm not surprised at the rants though, when you take into consideration that they haven't even found the "Caps Locks" key yet. But seriously, ya have to wonder where the information originates from. I have been relatively active in Vision circles for a few years now and I just don't see a base for this kind of a rant. I have only heard of a couple "fork leak" instances, and have never heard of that being traced to a design flaw. I only fork design "questionable" issue that I am aware of is the oil change interval. Personally I never gave it much thought, but I can visualize where such specs would be more critical for a "Cadillac" ride than a "John Deere" ride. The clearcoat was an issue for 08 and part of 09, but I believe that has been corrected. I am under the understanding that the seat material has been ungraded now that a weakness in starting to show up. I don't see where that makes the original design a "cheap" product. A worst I would say it is a product that didn't have the desired longevity. There is a fine line between under spec'd and over design, and under spec'd does not automatically mean "cheap". I think the bottom line is that most Vision owners would agree that the Vision is one one the best "values" out there.
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Indianapolis, IN | I hear ya there VA. We all know how far you push the boundaries on the Vision. For me I've put a lot of miles on the bike in the last 18 months having logged over 27,000 in that short time. Especially considering that around 25K of that distance took place in Indiana. So just heading off like "Wild hogs", by myself, without a second thought about the possibility of bike problems, well what can I say, my actions, as well as the rest who are chiming in here are proof that we truly do believe in the quality of this bike. We are proving it every Day!! |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | 27,000 miles and only 2 small insignificant parts replaced at no charge while I waited. Those two parts where the gas cap and cruise control button pod. I ride all year in Indiana except in snow. Temps range from 101 to 18 degrees. I ride everyday to work rain or shine. I pull a trailer at least 80 miles every week with either mountain bikes (yes plural, gf rides with me) or a motorcross bike. On the weekends we usually pull the trailer with the bicycles more than 200 miles. The Vision has been trouble free. I figured pulling a trailer so much while riding 2up would at least stretch the drive belt. I have never tightened it and it is still within spec. I have done a couple of small improvements to get rid of rattles and squeaks, but I very much expected this from a 1st year model. Actually, I have experienced far less annoyances than I anticipated. As it stands right now, I will definately buy another Vision. I'm just waiting for something really kewl to be offered on a new one that cannot be retro fitted to my 2008.
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | I've been to Rexburg Idaho, it's about 3 blocks from where they give the earth an enema-
Time for the moderators to start doing screening before letting people on the forum, several other big forums I'm on do that, it takes 1 to 3 days to be cleared that you aren't a SPAMMER, and if you turn out to be one, you are quickly and permanently deleted after one or two posts. |
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New Bohemia, VA | AND THEN ALL YOU VISION RIDERS WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE YOUR FORKS IN A SHOP. - Never had a fork problem.
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE BOKEN FENDERS. - Only had a BOKEN (sic) rear fender due to additional weight of a mudflap and potentially got caught against a speed bump as well.
YOU WOULD NOT BE PUTTING UPGRADED SPEAKERS - original speakers and my wife can hear me about a half mile away when I'm coming home.
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE A CHEAP CLEAR COAT ON YOR BIKE. - Yeah, but I got a really great DIRT COAT, I guess I need to wash it more.
YOU WOULD NOT BE LOOKING TO REPLACE OR UPGRADE YOUR SEAT BECAUSE ITS BROKE DOWN AFTER 15.000.00 MILES. - Vinyl has never been my choice of seats and agree all premium motorcycle should have a premium leather seat.
SO YOU BOYS AT VICTORY TAKE NOTICE AND PAY ATTENTION AND DO SAY SOMTHING YOU ARE NOT AND THAT IS THE NEW AMERICAN MOTORCYLE COMPANY. - I won't say that they don't read the forum, but a forum is not the "complaint department" to Victory or Polaris. If you want to get issues resolved, don't whine on a forum, go directly to the company via the dealer network, or regional director. A forum is no more than a vehicle of misinformaiton, albeit, some good information gets shared and discerning individuals benefit from it. But overall more bad information and unfounded issues are splattered all over internet forums about everything that is loses the creditability as a real sharer of information.
WHAT YOU SHOULD SAY IS WE ARE THE NEW CHEAP ASS MOTORCYCLE COMPANY THAT USES CHEAP ASS PARTS. - This is a prime example of what I'm talking about. I can say my early '08 Vision uses quality parts and has held up tremendously to my abuse. I'm proud to own a Vision and the American ingenuity and quality it represents.
Personally - this is not directed at the cowboy but to the reader that is so confused by such interjections and conjecture that is conjured up over this type of post.
Happy Motoring!
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REXBURG IDAHO | WELL YOU ARE ALL WRONG I AM NOT A HARLEY RIDER AND NEVER HAVE BEEN AND DONT WORK FOR HARLEY . ITS JUST WHEN YOU HAVE HAD BIKES THAT DONT HAVE PROBLEMS AND YOU START TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH A BIKE AT 16000 MILES THAT 2 YRS OLD AND YOU HAVE HAD POLARIS PPODUCTS FOR YEARS AND HAVE GREAT SUCCESS WITH SNOWMACHINES YOU EXPECT THE SAME FROM THEM ON BIKES.SO YOU SPENT MORE ON THIS BIKE THAN ANY BIKE OR SNOWMACHINE YOU HAVE OWENED THERE IS A EXPEXTATION ON WHAT YOU ARE GETTING FOR YOUR MONEY AND WHEN A COMPANY ADVERTISES THAT THEY ARE THE NEW AMERICAN MOTORCYLCLE COMPANY YOU PUT YOUR TRUST THAT THEY ARE GIVING YOU MORE FOR YOUR MONEY THAN HARLEY AND NOT BEING CHEAP ASSES ON PARTS THEY ARE PUTTING IN THERE BIKES. IF YOU ALL HAVE NOT TAKEN THE TIME TO LOOK AT THE CHEAP PARTS THEY HAVE PUT IN THIS BIKE YOU SHOULD. MAYBE SOME OF YOU THAT THINK THAT THE SPEAKERS IN THE BIKE ARE OK CANT HEAR ANYWAY SO IT WOULD MAKE NO DIFF WHAT THEY HAVE IN THE BIKE FOR SOUND I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A CHEAP ASS SPEAKER IN MY LIFE. AND IF ANY OF YOU RIDE FOR ANY TIME SITTING ON THE CHEAP ASS SEAT THEY PUT IN THE BIKE YOU SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO OPEN THE SEAT UP AND LOOK AT THE CHEAP ASS FOAM THAT THEY USED ON THE SEAT.AND IF VICTORY WAS REALLY WANTED SATISFIED CUSTOMERS AND THEY KNOW THEY PUT OUT A CHEAP ASS PRODUCT ON THE 08 AND 09 MODELS THEN THEY KNOW WHAT THEY DID. SO THE SHORT OF THE STORY IS THE CONSUMER AS ALLWAYS PAYS THE PRICE.... |
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Buford, GA United States | Well I am mad now as I just got to 45,000 miles on my 08 and I am having to get a new set of headlights...and does anybody know how long the battery is supposed to last as I still have the original on the bike and that is going to piss me off when it wears out too...not to mention I still have the original belt that I was supposed to change out at 30,000 that is starting to piss me off more every day... |
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New Bohemia, VA | Dude - there has to be other issues in your life that I hope you get worked out. Sorry you've got such a bum deal, or feel that you have. Again, personally, my bike is more than what I expect in a product and is by no means cheap. The cheap foam that you refer too has held up for 4 years, and is the most comfortable chair I own. I've sat in the saddle putting in over a 1,000 miles more than once in 15 - 19 hour stretches in comfort. The floorboards make this bike a true long hauler, but the seat is the best for a stock seat. I do have a hearing problem, but that problem alone would drive me to make the same assessment as you. However, I find the stock speakers more than adequate and they still give me great volume even strolling down the highway at 80mph.
This time, it is a rebuttal to you mr cowboy as it seems you are trying to make a point that most others do not share with you in from their own personal experience. It also sounds like that Victory did make an effort to improve quality control and work with better vendors, as one would expect. However, that is not making me rush to get a newer Vision just because I have one of the first to be made and have a lot miles on it. I see many more miles ahead.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Scott - Maybe you should STOP YELLING and pay attention to what others here are telling you. If your problems are as bad as that - just give ME the bike and I will relieve you of your torment.
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Orlando, FL | Guys, guys, guys......chill. I like these cowboys that come in once in a while. If it weren't for them, who would we have to fu*k with?
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Danbury, Connecticut | He's just cranky because he had to work a double shift at the university teaching English Literature. |
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New Bohemia, VA | SteveS - 2011-09-13 1:17 PM
He's just cranky because he had to work a double shift at the university teaching English Literature. I hear he's also a typing teacher... |
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| relic123 - 2011-09-12 10:34 PM 35,000 miles on mine and the fork seals are shot, fork oil shot, broken front fender, seat foam is broken down to nothing, clear coat is horrible, neck bearing shot....Problem is i love this bike and the way it handles, I just can undertand why a $23000 dollar machine is wearing out so fast when its made to be a touring machine that should be able to withstand the abuse and hold up like a goldwing.....40,000 on the goldwing and nothing but trouble free miles
If that is the case then you haven't been doing the maintenance as listed in the factory service schedule for the GL1800 Goldwing. Lifter clearance needs to be checked at 32,000 miles, fork oil changed at 32,000 miles, rear differential oil changed every 16,000 miles, cam chain tension checked every 32,000 miles. As far as the front fender being broke, check out the Goldwing forums and see that they have been having the exact same issues, especially when a fender extension is installed. Also, most Goldwing riders end up installing an aftermarket seat such as a Corbin or Travelcade as well as upgrading the front and rear suspensions with Traxxion components and they also have to replace the neck bearings with upgraded aftermarket tapered bearings from All Balls Bearings.
So far at 37,000 miles on my Vision my only failure has been my right fork seal which just happened and it is going into the shop on Wednesday to get both fork seals replaced and to have the steering stem adjusted. The problem with the clear coat is a minor problem, Victory addressed that issue in the 2010 Visions and from what I understand the problems have been successfully addressed, I simply use liquid glass once a year to polish my paint up and I have had no issues since.
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REXBURG IDAHO | ya it would not be so bad if you could change your head lights in just a few min but have you changed a light bulb yet? o ya and do you know haow many cranking anps your battery puts out another cheap ass product you might want to ck o ya buy the way i did put some new spark plug wire upgrades on my 08 vision and it starts a lot better so the factory wires were anthor cheap ass product. |
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Brighton, TN | Sheesh! The whining light has been lit! Please continue to whine until light has been extinguished!
Yeah! I had to change out both headlights at 45,000, yeah it took me a couple of hours and cramped hands! So, what, I couldn't figure out how to get some GM lights out of a truck a few years ago either. Once someone showed me it was much easier. Same deal, now that I changed them much easier. The charging system will take quite the load, there are some guys lit up like christmas trees and your point. And then you top it off with better and new spark plug wires and it starts better and probably gets 10mpg better also. Take another toke on the crack pipe and check back in with your rant, we are all waiting. The lamp for whining is still lit!
More than likely change your plugs and it will start better. I normally can tell a difference with it starting at around every 15k. |
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REXBURG IDAHO | no there are no other issues in my life just that you expect more from the new american motorcyle.. |
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REXBURG IDAHO | And no i am not one of those hallo heads on the hill teaching. mining people are used to equipment that hold up..
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REXBURG IDAHO | Did change the plugs at 5000 miles with no change. and for the lights no one was thinking about if you are out on the road and burn out your headlights. or maybe people dont ride at night where you are from? |
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | Dude, if you're so unhappy with your purchase, either sell it and go buy back you '91 883 'Sporty', go buy another bike or shoot yourself, but, please take your silly assed whine down the hall to see if someone down there will listen, here you're preaching to the chior. Have you tried taking your issues to your states Attorney Generals Consumer Complaint Office?, OH, you haven't?
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REXBURG IDAHO | I agree the speakers will give you great volume but the clarity sucks you should look at the speakers and what they are built like and then you WOULD know what i am talking about. and do the same with the seat and as well as you i have been in that seat for 19 hrs. guys i think you are all missing the point about what i am talking about and that is that there are some very cheap ass parts that this bike has been built with and that we all should let the factory know that the cusomer knows what they have put in a 24,000.00 dollar bike and that we expect more for are hard earned dollar. and if you all have a problem with that so be it. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Well - we tried. He don't listen.
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New Bohemia, VA | ridingcowboy - 2011-09-13 2:41 PM
And no i am not one of those hallo heads on the hill teaching. mining people are used to equipment that hold up..
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Central New York | I had to lay on the garage floor today and put 4 pounds of air in EACH tire. Does Victory care? Noooo, cheap a-- tires, only 13K and already need air! |
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Brighton, TN | Oh the travshamockery of it all. I was thinking cheap aass air, it leaked out. For all of you who don't like cheap ass air!!! Quit breathing it, I'm looking to purchase more and upgrade the species. |
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Tucson, AZ | Not here agree or not, but almost three years and 24,000 miles, all have been trouble free. Never even used the the one year factory warranty even once. I have never owned a more comfortable or trouble free bike. Maybe I just lucked out and got one of the good ones.
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knoxville, iowa | I understand your frustration cheap but I for one believe that we have become a cheap crap society. What do you buy that is of the quality it was years ago. Maybe my vision is made with some cheap crappy parts and accessories but at least it is made in america. Would you feel better if it was made in china where alot of our products are made? When I was at theAVR this last month during the factory tour the guy next to me ask how much of the average victory was made in america and the response was more than 80%. That means alot to me. I was born american and I buy american as much as possible. I think you could pick apart anything made these days and call it cheap crap. At least for me my vision has been a blessing to own and many trouble free miles. Its not perfect but at least I know that there are families in spirit lake that are thankful to me for buying american. So cry your eyes out, get it out of your system then go for a long ride and enjoy life as we all do. |
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Cleveland, GA | Dude... typing in all caps just makes it really hard to read what you say.
I wish you well with your bike; sorry that you're having issues. I've put 48,000 miles on my 08 and never had any serious problems - and my butt has never complained about the seat. As a matter of fact, my wife loves the ride so much that she is the one who told me to buy it, based on how comfortable it was for her on the back seat.
Mother Vic has always taken care of me. There have been a few minor issues that my dealer took care of with no hassles. Love my bike; don't want to ever have to give it up. |
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Southeast Idaho | Hmmmm......Interesting comments, for me the ride is not about being in the shop while wasting precious days of summer, it is more about being on the open road with no destination only wishing I had more vacation to make the ride last longer. My frustrations are legit because let me tell you when your in Colorado in Estes Park and you realize your lights have burned out and there is no simple way to replace them at the next convienence store it kinda frustrates you. Also when your riding along listening to a banging noise and after pulling over to investigat your 19500 mile motorcycle you find your front/rear portion of the fender has all but fell off it kinda frustrates you.....To buy a bike that has a oil change interval of 2500 miles when oil is not falling in price, Kinda Frustrates Me...To sit in a seat on a 850 mile day from oregon to california, and realize that the damn foam has broken down to the point of needing replaced really frustrates me...To show up to my buddys home, hop on his newer 08 Vision and realize my front suspension is rough compared to his when only having 15000 miles on my machine pisses me off...To find a new little scratch daily in what victory calls a clear coat hurts my wallet knowing a new paint job will have to be done to keep the bike looking nice. To pull a speaker out and say "huh I wonder what china factory made that" dissapoints me in such a high end bike
Point is in all this is not to start a war on whos bike is outlasting the next guys. Its to point out the facts. If Victory is honestly going to play in the market of the "Touring Class" then they have to make the auxillary components of the bike last with what has to be one of the "Best" frame/motor combinations out there. Am I expecting perfection.....no! But am I expecting a bike that will compete in all aspect of other touring models like the "Goldwing/BMW".....Yes!!! Just looking at service intervels shows that this is not the case yet.
Again I will say this has been a magnificent Bike and over the previous 9 ive owned it has had some real highlights but unfortunatley has had some major downfalls that one would not expect in a "High end Machine"
Lets Face it if you bought a high end car what would your expectations be? Bad clear coats, cheap foamed seats...etc No way, we pay the price we pay to have the best and be above the rest in all areas of riding.
I appreciate and applaude Victory in there vision design and where they wanted to take this machine, but frown on some of the "shortcuts" taken on what instead of being a visionary bike ended up being "Just another Bike in my Garage"
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Orlando, FL | I love my Vision 8 Ball. Had her for 5 months and 6500 miles of bliss. But I am disappointed that I actually have to clean my freaking windshield every week. Geez, ya's think a touring bike would have an auto cleaner or something~ And where in the heck are the wipers?
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Pittsburgh, PA | relic123 - 2011-09-13 9:13 PM
Hmmmm......Interesting comments, for me the ride is not about being in the shop while wasting precious days of summer, it is more about being on the open road with no destination only wishing I had more vacation to make the ride last longer. My frustrations are legit because let me tell you when your in Colorado in Estes Park and you realize your lights have burned out and there is no simple way to replace them at the next convienence store it kinda frustrates you. Also when your riding along listening to a banging noise and after pulling over to investigat your 19500 mile motorcycle you find your front/rear portion of the fender has all but fell off it kinda frustrates you.....To buy a bike that has a oil change interval of 2500 miles when oil is not falling in price, Kinda Frustrates Me...To sit in a seat on a 850 mile day from oregon to california, and realize that the damn foam has broken down to the point of needing replaced really frustrates me...To show up to my buddys home, hop on his newer 08 Vision and realize my front suspension is rough compared to his when only having 15000 miles on my machine pisses me off...To find a new little scratch daily in what victory calls a clear coat hurts my wallet knowing a new paint job will have to be done to keep the bike looking nice. To pull a speaker out and say "huh I wonder what china factory made that" dissapoints me in such a high end bike
Point is in all this is not to start a war on whos bike is outlasting the next guys. Its to point out the facts. If Victory is honestly going to play in the market of the "Touring Class" then they have to make the auxillary components of the bike last with what has to be one of the "Best" frame/motor combinations out there. Am I expecting perfection.....no! But am I expecting a bike that will compete in all aspect of other touring models like the "Goldwing/BMW".....Yes!!! Just looking at service intervels shows that this is not the case yet.
Again I will say this has been a magnificent Bike and over the previous 9 ive owned it has had some real highlights but unfortunatley has had some major downfalls that one would not expect in a "High end Machine"
Lets Face it if you bought a high end car what would your expectations be? Bad clear coats, cheap foamed seats...etc No way, we pay the price we pay to have the best and be above the rest in all areas of riding.
I appreciate and applaude Victory in there vision design and where they wanted to take this machine, but frown on some of the "shortcuts" taken on what instead of being a visionary bike ended up being "Just another Bike in my Garage"
i see your point, you mention if victory is going to stay in this market etc etc they have already Improved some of what you meantioned.. so they are "staying'" in the market. i had a 2008 vision and now have a 2011 and the seat is different, oil changes doubled. clear coat improved, you mentioned service intervals, talk to a goldwing own about their valve adjustments! $$$ or talk to a bmw owner who has to wait Weeks for parts. (at least here in pittsburgh thats how it is) i think when you buy a FIRST YEAR bike you can not expect perfection. i thought that was always the rule??? if you buy a first year anything you have to expect the next 1-2 years flaws would be taken care of. My 08 had some electrical issues that were taken care of under warranty and when they were repaired i noticed the parts had a revised part numbers (improved). so while we do have a 15000 mile fork oil change. we Dont have to pay for valve adjustments. Or how about this one, my friends gold wing takes HOURS to replace a air filter. I can have my air filter out in 2-3 mins. when people talk about how much this bike cost and how it shouldnt have problems. how about the goldwing owners that had to have their FRAMES rewelded! how would someone feel about that one? brand new bike and your frame is Unsafe!? so honda sends a person to reweld parts of the alumium frame.. I may or maynot get upset over a seat or clearcoat. but i would surely be pissed off if honda had to send a person to WELD my freaking frame! also another side of the coin may be. that goldwing owner doesnt have the right to complain about valve adjustments or air filter replacement if he would have asked to read the maintenance part of the owners manual before he bought that bike. or just asked the service department whats involved in the servicing of this bike... reminds me of my buddy who bought a sportscar and then got pissed at the price of tires and their short life.. |
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| ridingcowboy - 2011-09-13 10:49 AM
WELL YOU ARE ALL WRONG I AM NOT A HARLEY RIDER AND NEVER HAVE BEEN AND DONT WORK FOR HARLEY . ITS JUST WHEN YOU HAVE HAD BIKES THAT DONT HAVE PROBLEMS AND YOU START TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH A BIKE AT 16000 MILES THAT 2 YRS OLD AND YOU HAVE HAD POLARIS PPODUCTS FOR YEARS AND HAVE GREAT SUCCESS WITH SNOWMACHINES YOU EXPECT THE SAME FROM THEM ON BIKES.SO YOU SPENT MORE ON THIS BIKE THAN ANY BIKE OR SNOWMACHINE YOU HAVE OWENED THERE IS A EXPEXTATION ON WHAT YOU ARE GETTING FOR YOUR MONEY AND WHEN A COMPANY ADVERTISES THAT THEY ARE THE NEW AMERICAN MOTORCYLCLE COMPANY YOU PUT YOUR TRUST THAT THEY ARE GIVING YOU MORE FOR YOUR MONEY THAN HARLEY AND NOT BEING CHEAP ASSES ON PARTS THEY ARE PUTTING IN THERE BIKES. IF YOU ALL HAVE NOT TAKEN THE TIME TO LOOK AT THE CHEAP PARTS THEY HAVE PUT IN THIS BIKE YOU SHOULD. MAYBE SOME OF YOU THAT THINK THAT THE SPEAKERS IN THE BIKE ARE OK CANT HEAR ANYWAY SO IT WOULD MAKE NO DIFF WHAT THEY HAVE IN THE BIKE FOR SOUND I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A CHEAP ASS SPEAKER IN MY LIFE. AND IF ANY OF YOU RIDE FOR ANY TIME SITTING ON THE CHEAP ASS SEAT THEY PUT IN THE BIKE YOU SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO OPEN THE SEAT UP AND LOOK AT THE CHEAP ASS FOAM THAT THEY USED ON THE SEAT.AND IF VICTORY WAS REALLY WANTED SATISFIED CUSTOMERS AND THEY KNOW THEY PUT OUT A CHEAP ASS PRODUCT ON THE 08 AND 09 MODELS THEN THEY KNOW WHAT THEY DID. SO THE SHORT OF THE STORY IS THE CONSUMER AS ALLWAYS PAYS THE PRICE....
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REXBURG IDAHO | For those of you that are hung up on my spelling ya i know i cant spell worth a shit so get off my back. and i can admit that. not like some of you that dont care that you spent a lot of money on a bike and got some great things but also got some cheap ass things. seams as though you are willing to accept that and be little men in the corners that will not stand up and tell victory whats great and whats not. you just accept the cheap ass parts and in turn try to tell me its ok to accept cheap ass shit from the new american motorcylce company. but there is one thing for sure i do know and that is what quality is. i am sure most of you have not taken a speaker out and looked at it or you would agree with what i am saying.i spent 36 yrs pleasing people in the retail world and do know that if you give people a great product and dont try to cut corners on the little things that matter in the long run everyone wins. |
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| ridingcowboy - 2011-09-13 1:26 PM ya it would not be so bad if you could change your head lights in just a few min but have you changed a light bulb yet? o ya and do you know haow many cranking anps your battery puts out another cheap ass product you might want to ck o ya buy the way i did put some new spark plug wire upgrades on my 08 vision and it starts a lot better so the factory wires were anthor cheap ass product. Yes, I have changed my headlights multiple times as bulb life seems to be right around 10,000 miles on just about any motorcycle. Just try changing out the separate high and low bulbs on a GL1800 Goldwing and you will realize just how easy we actually have it with the Vision since all we have to remove is the air filter to access the bulbs (tipping the bike over on the left and right tip over protectors helps a lot too). Funny, the battery that comes stock on the Vision is the same battery used by Honda for the Goldwing, I have had mine in the bike since day one with no problems and I don't even use a battery tender except during the winter months although I will probably put a new battery in next year just to be safe (3 years was the average battery life on both the GL1500 and GL1800 Goldwings). Thanks for the info regarding the improvement found upon upgrading the spark plug wires, but then again that makes sense as not even on the high end automobiles do they use the best components available on the market. As far as your spelling goes, I do not know what kind of computer you are using to post or if you are using a smart phone, but when you are typing a word and you get to the end of it and and space, if a series of dots appear under the word that generally means that the word is misspelled, but those dots are also a help as all you have to do is to right click on that misspelled word and a pop up menu will appear with a selection of what the system thinks might be the correct spelling. |
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Northeast Ohio | +1 Arkainzeye!
I knew heading into the 08 Vision that it was a first model year bike and would have some issues. Past experiences with auto manufacturers have yielded much worse results (I personally lived thru this with my wife's 1990 Grand Am - left her stranded 3 times - out of the blue). I traded-in my 2008 for a 2011, not for the problems, but to get ABS (hard braking on tar snakes in an experienced riders course made me realize how much I wanted it). I literally almost cried when I parted ways with my 2008. I owned my bike for 3 years and it had 20,500 on it (I wish I could ride more, but work and life kick my butt).
In my opinion, I think you are taking a few minor issues and exagerating them to the point that the bike sucks and is cheap. The fork oil should be changed every 15000 miles. If people want to double that, they are taking on the risk of failure. Much like going to the dentist - you want to wait 2 years for a cleaning and check up, don't complain when you get a tooth ache. My bike never had any seat issues and I am 6'4" @ 245 lbs. Never changed a single bulb (headlight, brake or turn). My paint looked as good as the day I bought it.
The only annoyance I ever had was the exhaust popping, but that didn't start until I messed with the bike. Is that Victory's problem? Worked fine when they gave it to me...
To get a bike that was engineered for no problems would cost more than anyone could afford and you would never get away from maintenance. There is no motorcycle that is perfect, but this one is pretty darn close. Hell, I don't even think these bikes cost that much. Look at a CVO Ultra Classic at $38,000 and compare it to ours. I bet you could do all the maintenance and put on a leather seat much cheaper than that. |
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Columbia, SC | If you don't like it, buy a new bike. If you like the bike enough that you're willing to deal with the issues, then keep it. But I think the main point of many people in this thread aren't necessarily they problems or issues you have with the bike, but rather the way you pointed them out. Calling it a piece of crap and whatnot. if you had presented your issues with the bike and company more professionally, a lot of these posts (including mine) could have been avoided and it would have developed into a more intellectual debate and back and forth instead of heated arguing.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | sfalexi - 2011-09-14 9:55 AM If you don't like it, buy a new bike. If you like the bike enough that you're willing to deal with the issues, then keep it. But I think the main point of many people in this thread aren't necessarily they problems or issues you have with the bike, but rather the way you pointed them out. Calling it a piece of crap and whatnot. if you had presented your issues with the bike and company more professionally, a lot of these posts (including mine) could have been avoided and it would have developed into a more intellectual debate and back and forth instead of heated arguing. Alexi +1 And let's NOT forget - MOST of us haven't had ANY of the problems talked about here. 4 years for me - same battery, same spark plug wires, same headlight, same seat - OH, I did change the speakers because I am a bit of a 'sound snob', and Victory upgraded the bad control under warranty, but THAT'S IT ! 4 years! I have owned 21 bikes - and all have had minor problems, but not one SERIOUS problem in 52 years. My '69 BSA 650 Lightning needed 2 hours of tinkering for every 1 hour of riding - but I thought that was 'normal' and didn't rant at the British. Blame the roads you ride on. Blame your riding style. Blame your climate. But LEAVE THE MANUFACTURER OUT OF IT, and get another bike from someone else if you get pissed off. Move on! |
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scotts valley, California | My blood pressure did not go up reading this thread, but the corners of my mouth did. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | Though I don't think Victory intentionally put lowest grade parts on the Vision, I have never seen lesser quality speakers in any vehicle since the 70's. The sound quality from the head unit is less than average too. I really like the functionality of the head unit. It's placement is nice and has an easy to read screen and big buttons for gloved hands. It's only problem is the sound quality.
From a design standpoint, I believe the Victory engineers were simply not familiar with certain components. Everything the Vision has that their other bikes did not have in 2008 was something new to learn. The stereo, the big cushy seat, e-windshield, heated grips, all the plastic, etc. Some things they got right the first time. Other things they relied on their vendors and maybe didn't get it quite right. Overall the Vision, in my opinion, is quite a success. There are definately a few things that need improvement, but I feel they did a fine job for their first stab at the full-dresser market. Their focus right now is on the Cross bikes. When Victory decides it's time for a product refresh of the Vision, I think will see some great improvements. |
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Bullhead City, AZ | At 51 and having driven open air tractors for 15 years the speakers on the VV are loud and sound great. I can tell by the way all my neighbors heads turn when I go by , even the ones cutting their grass. |
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| ridingcowboy - 2011-09-13 10:49 AM WELL YOU ARE ALL WRONG I AM NOT A HARLEY RIDER AND NEVER HAVE BEEN AND DONT WORK FOR HARLEY . ITS JUST WHEN YOU HAVE HAD BIKES THAT DONT HAVE PROBLEMS AND YOU START TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH A BIKE AT 16000 MILES THAT 2 YRS OLD AND YOU HAVE HAD POLARIS PPODUCTS FOR YEARS AND HAVE GREAT SUCCESS WITH SNOWMACHINES YOU EXPECT THE SAME FROM THEM ON BIKES.SO YOU SPENT MORE ON THIS BIKE THAN ANY BIKE OR SNOWMACHINE YOU HAVE OWENED THERE IS A EXPEXTATION ON WHAT YOU ARE GETTING FOR YOUR MONEY AND WHEN A COMPANY ADVERTISES THAT THEY ARE THE NEW AMERICAN MOTORCYLCLE COMPANY YOU PUT YOUR TRUST THAT THEY ARE GIVING YOU MORE FOR YOUR MONEY THAN HARLEY AND NOT BEING CHEAP ASSES ON PARTS THEY ARE PUTTING IN THERE BIKES. IF YOU ALL HAVE NOT TAKEN THE TIME TO LOOK AT THE CHEAP PARTS THEY HAVE PUT IN THIS BIKE YOU SHOULD. MAYBE SOME OF YOU THAT THINK THAT THE SPEAKERS IN THE BIKE ARE OK CANT HEAR ANYWAY SO IT WOULD MAKE NO DIFF WHAT THEY HAVE IN THE BIKE FOR SOUND I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A CHEAP ASS SPEAKER IN MY LIFE. AND IF ANY OF YOU RIDE FOR ANY TIME SITTING ON THE CHEAP ASS SEAT THEY PUT IN THE BIKE YOU SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO OPEN THE SEAT UP AND LOOK AT THE CHEAP ASS FOAM THAT THEY USED ON THE SEAT.AND IF VICTORY WAS REALLY WANTED SATISFIED CUSTOMERS AND THEY KNOW THEY PUT OUT A CHEAP ASS PRODUCT ON THE 08 AND 09 MODELS THEN THEY KNOW WHAT THEY DID. SO THE SHORT OF THE STORY IS THE CONSUMER AS ALLWAYS PAYS THE PRICE.... Sorry you don't enjoy your bike. My '08 is just fine. I've replaced my speakers but only so I could hear them at 85-90mph. At 70 they were fine. |
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Southern Va./2011 Vision silver | Im just a newbie here and this is my first Victory but Ive been riding for over 35 years , hd, yamaha ,honda , kawasaki ,suzuki , every one of em needed something sooner or later. I checked out lots of bikes before I bought my vision last saturday, ( I was searching for the most comfortable bike because of back problems) . There is nothing to compare this bike to but look around and see what you can get new for under 20k with the features that come on a vision , its not just the most unique and most comfortable motorcycle its also the best value . |
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Pittsburgh, PA | victoryvisiontour - 2011-09-14 3:44 PM
Though I don't think Victory intentionally put lowest grade parts on the Vision, I have never seen lesser quality speakers in any vehicle since the 70's. The sound quality from the head unit is less than average too. I really like the functionality of the head unit. It's placement is nice and has an easy to read screen and big buttons for gloved hands. It's only problem is the sound quality.
From a design standpoint, I believe the Victory engineers were simply not familiar with certain components. Everything the Vision has that their other bikes did not have in 2008 was something new to learn. The stereo, the big cushy seat, e-windshield, heated grips, all the plastic, etc. Some things they got right the first time. Other things they relied on their vendors and maybe didn't get it quite right. Overall the Vision, in my opinion, is quite a success. There are definately a few things that need improvement, but I feel they did a fine job for their first stab at the full-dresser market. Their focus right now is on the Cross bikes. When Victory decides it's time for a product refresh of the Vision, I think will see some great improvements.
I believe you are right it was a learning curve for them the first year . I had a 2008 vision I now have a 2011 . and almost all of the complaint I hear about with the 2008 have been addressed . my radio on my 2011 is completely different from mike 2008 . the speakers are better , the radio is louder , reception is a hell of a lot better ! and even the display is easier to read ... I also noticed a very big difference in the seats as well . 1 of my favorite differences that is completely useless is the new wheels . I love the look of the black wheels . I do believe victory listens to us when we complain about stuff . that's why the vision keeps improving in years . |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | What's this guy, been eatin' Tansy? |
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Northeast Ohio | So new folks know, Victory doesn't make the radio. It is manufactured by www.radiosound.com. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | The vision as a model has been out for what 5 years ?? Victory will address problems as they come along. If not people will stop buying them, Mine's been a good bike so far, I never say great till they 50,000 + miles on them. |
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New Bohemia, VA | ridingcowboy - 2011-09-14 8:39 AM
For those of you that are hung up on my spelling ya i know i cant spell worth a shit so get off my back. If you don't care, why say anything?� and i can admit that. why admit that?� not like some of you that dont care that you spent a lot of money on a bike and got some great things but also got some cheap ass things. I cannot agree, nothing�is cheap on the Vision, though I will agree that they fell short on the seat covering. But hat doesn't bother me, one day I'm going to get it leathered. seams as though you are willing to accept that and be little men in the corners that will not stand up and tell victory whats great and whats not. I think the whole bike is great, and I've told them through two surveys. you just accept the cheap ass parts and in turn try to tell me its ok to accept cheap ass shit from the new american motorcycle company. still the same childish mantra that means nothing to anyone who owns a Victory or a Vision. but there is one thing for sure i do know and that is what quality is. doesn't take a brainiac to figure that out - I don't understand what your point is. i am sure most of you have not taken a speaker out and looked at it or you would agree with what i am saying. I've taken out a speaker and looked at it and have no clue what you are saying. I was cruising along today in traffic at 80+ and listening to my radio and didn't even have at full volume. i spent 36 yrs pleasing people in the retail world and do know that if you give people a great product and dont try to cut corners on the little things that matter in the long run everyone wins. so, I thought you said you were a miner? I'm curious to know what you did for retail.
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Pittsburgh, PA | if victory made everything on the Vision 100% the best of the best. then the posts wouldbe read, (can you believe what they charge for the vision?!) |
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New Bohemia, VA | Arkainzeye - 2011-09-15 8:55 PM
if victory made everything on the Vision 100% the best of the best. then the posts wouldbe read, (can you believe what they charge for the vision?!)
I know, right! I got more than I paid for. Cost is for how it handles and how comfortable it is, everything else is a perk. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | OMG. The 'Thread That Wouldn't Die'..... LMAO
Ha Ha - or something like that ....
Anyway - this thread is SO BAD - it brought VaRyder 'back from the dead!'. Hip Hip Hoorah !
Maybe now we can coax his current mileage out of him.... Chris ???? We NEED to know so that we can shut up the 'cry babies', or send them back to Yamaha or BMX
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New Bohemia, VA | when we meet, you can see my odometer, if I can see yours. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | BMX? I meant Suzyq or Hardly Canrun ... |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | varyder - 2011-09-15 6:15 PM when we meet, you can see my odometer, if I can see yours. You bad man you. I've SEEN your odometer... not fair. But I bet I can whoop you in a drag (or roll-on). |
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Orlando, FL | Roadie, +1 and well said. I bought my Vision because it's the first bike I ever sat "IN" not "ON" I was looking for the most comfortable cruiser I could find. And the Vision is like a Lazy Boy that has power and speed to spare. And the price was great, especially compared to other bike companies. I got a hell of a lot for my money and a bike I can ride for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours.
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Fargo, ND | It amazes me when I log on here and I see someone ranting about the problems they are having with their bike... then I see the gramatic errors, the spelling errors and I realize that some uneducated, backwoods idiot found a real motorcycle and doesn't know what to do with it. Go back to your rice burner and get off this forum. The Visionaries you find on this forum don't have time to listen to you rant and rave about your problems. And by the way... your cap lock was on just in case you didn't notice durring your seizure.
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Oklahoma City | Ok, I can't hold back anymore. Speaking as someone who has had some problems with his VV, I still would not trade it in for anything, ANYTHING else. When I first got the bike (2011 like my sig says) the radio was the old firmware, fixed by dealer. I have had the left side lighted badge fall off and dangle by the wires, temp fixed by dealer and then once parts came in they replaced it. Currently my hazard switch is loose, and when I get around to it I'll swing by the dealer and have them replace that as well (I think they caused that when they did the badge replacement, but if they did shit happens, it's still a warranty item).
Even if other problems crop up, I'll get them fixed and then mount up and go for a ride, because that's why I bought this fine machine, to ride. So to all of you with problems, big or small, remember that this still is one of the best machines out there, and that's why you bought it. No company has EVER released a product line that didn't have some defects, but we as consumers should be used to that by now. As long as the company keeps their end of the deal and fixes the defective items for you, then who really gives a shit. And if they don't, well, we've already had threads about that and I won't go there.
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Brighton, MI | WOW!!!! I have 25,453 miles on my 08 and I beat the hell out of it, rubbed the floor boards almost off the bike, drove it like I stoled it, I mean beat the hell out of it and the only problem i had was, is i had to replace the clutch slave cylinder. Best bike I have ever owned. Did I mentioned BEAT THE HELL OUT IT!!!!! |
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Oregon. | 2009 VV premium tour, no problems, and taking it on a 1500 Iron Butt ride next Friday. If cowboy is having so much trouble, why doesn't he trade it and get a different bike. One question I have, has anybody seen a picture of his cheap motorcycle? Just curios.
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Salinas, Ca. | What I don't get is the whole issue this whiny cowboy has with Victory referring to itself as the New American Motorcycle. I don't get some peoples skewed logic! |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | ja70cad - 2011-09-15 8:39 PM What I don't get is the whole issue this whiny cowboy has with Victory referring to itself as the New American Motorcycle. I don't get some peoples skewed logic! He's a 'Hardly Canrun' wannabe owner. Thinks 'Made in USA' means 'Rolls-Royce at Yugo Prices' or something .... |
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scotts valley, California | I'm thinkin Indian is gonna be the New American Motorcycle..
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New Bohemia, VA | If Polaris can maintain the fine line of heritage styling, reliability, and cost in the Indian bike then that will help Victory. Indian will always have the higher-end, detailed quality bike, at least that is there plan. Victory has gone into the production mode where more bikes are being manufactured with a price minded buyer as the target. Indian's target is the higher income bracket who wants a piece of American History, or the middle-class guy that saves his pennies to own an Indian. While projected sales are expected to be enough to keep Indian afloat, don't expect to see many Indians on the road except at your sunny weekend rallies, or on a sunny Sunday afternoon.
The attention of Polaris building a quality high-end Indian can create a draw to Victory that has quality at a lower cost. I'd expect Victory to lower the prices on basic models of the current line or create a new line for starter bikes. In the world of cruiser motorcycles I'd take a Victory over any of the rice burners any day, even though I could get a nice cruiser ricer at a much lower cost. The problem is, folks just starting to ride will go after the ricer first because it is dependable and it is budget minded. However, the American Motorcyce mantra will drive them to be looking for the day when they can make the switch. Indian will get buyers because of its standing history.
Still, if you were to ask most people today to name all the American made motorcycles ever made, most would only say Harley Davidison and Indian and never give a thought to Victory. The general public's knowledge of Victory is greater where there are dealers or by a chance encounter with one, or maybe a commerical. I expect to see many Indian advertisements next to Victory and actually believe that folks will think that Victory is a new brand of bike. They'll see Indian, they'll see Victory. They drool over the unaffordable Indian that the affluent is buying and then go to the sister company and buy that joy that gives them knees in the breeze, American made, and affordable.
Okay, just some ramblings. The Victory is the New American Motorcycle, but I'm glad they changed the motto because it is 13 years old now, no longer new. They still need to work on coming up with a truly catchy motto because "Fuel It" and "Go Break Boundries" (go bake brownies) just doesn't get it, too preppy sounding. This past week up in Maryland I got a lot of compliments by folks who knew what I was riding. I commented to one guy who knew it was a Victory that most people don't know what a Victory is. He says, I knew it was a Victory by the "106" on the engine. But all those encounters doesn't happen where I live.
I see those who really have a heart for riding and want American quality coming over to Victory more and more, and Indian will help give it a boost as more folks get nostalgic minded and long for the freedom of the open road.
I've come to realize that there has to be that something down deep inside of a person that drives them to the "need to ride" passion. I believe out of all the motorcycles bought in the U. S. A. less than half get riden over 3,000 miles a year, and I'm talking about single owner bikes, not the bike that is sitting next to another bike or two. Never forget that those of us that ride are a very thin slice of the overall population, and the slice is even thinner for those who have a passion to ride. For every 10 or 15 people I meet who rides a motorcycle, only 1 or 2 really has a passion to ride. The rest sit around and whine about what's wrong with their bike. |
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Salinas, Ca. | I just seen a 2007 Fatboy with a bunch of upgrades on the floor of our local HD store. Guy traded it in for a Street Glide. Get this though. It has 276 miles!!!!!!! Un-Fricken-Believable, so I get what your saying Varyder.. |
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Southeast Idaho | varyder - 2011-09-16 3:59 AM
I've come to realize that there has to be that something down deep inside of a person that drives them to the "need to ride" passion. I believe out of all the motorcycles bought in the U. S. A. less than half get riden over 3,000 miles a year, and I'm talking about single owner bikes, not the bike that is sitting next to another bike or two. Never forget that those of us that ride are a very thin slice of the overall population, and the slice is even thinner for those who have a passion to ride. For every 10 or 15 people I meet who rides a motorcycle, only 1 or 2 really has a passion to ride. The rest sit around and whine about what's wrong with their bike.
Hmmm....hope your not refering to the cowboy for not having as you put it the "Passion to Ride", over 200,000 miles in the last 5 yrs on various bikes kinda tells me that to him its more than just a passion, its a lifestyle
no typo there, two hundred thousand. |
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Southeast Idaho | Brian G - 2011-09-15 9:03 PM
2009 VV premium tour, no problems, and taking it on a 1500 Iron Butt ride next Friday. If cowboy is having so much trouble, why doesn't he trade it and get a different bike. One question I have, has anybody seen a picture of his cheap motorcycle? Just curios.
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New Bohemia, VA | relic123 - 2011-09-16 11:24 PM
varyder - 2011-09-16 3:59 AM
I've come to realize that there has to be that something down deep inside of a person that drives them to the "need to ride" passion. I believe out of all the motorcycles bought in the U. S. A. less than half get riden over 3,000 miles a year, and I'm talking about single owner bikes, not the bike that is sitting next to another bike or two. Never forget that those of us that ride are a very thin slice of the overall population, and the slice is even thinner for those who have a passion to ride. For every 10 or 15 people I meet who rides a motorcycle, only 1 or 2 really has a passion to ride. The rest sit around and whine about what's wrong with their bike.
Hmmm....hope your not refering to the cowboy for not having as you put it the "Passion to Ride", over 200,000 miles in the last 5 yrs on various bikes kinda tells me that to him its more than just a passion, its a lifestyle
no typo there, two hundred thousand.
yeah, I guess I'm a light weight compared to him, but it's also bad when folks presume things. By the way, the miles I've put in the saddle was done in about 8 years total. I didn't ride for 17 years. 138,000 in the past six years.
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Southeast Idaho | looks like we are all living a "lifestyle" I myself, a little over 155k
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New Bohemia, VA | relic123 - 2011-09-16 11:28 PM
Brian G - 2011-09-15 9:03 PM
2009 VV premium tour, no problems, and taking it on a 1500 Iron Butt ride next Friday. If cowboy is having so much trouble, why doesn't he trade it and get a different bike. One question I have, has anybody seen a picture of his cheap motorcycle? Just curios.
here you go
looks like mine but I took off my upper wind deflectors. I like it so much better. |
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Southeast Idaho | one more just in case....the cowboys on the left and relics on the right.....10 day trip to colorado
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Oregon. | Great picture. Been there myself. Looks like you are having a great time. I really enjoyed Independance pass when I was there. Wife was worried we were going to fall of the edge. Wanted me to let her walk to the top. I didn't though. She doesn't like heights to well. Stay safe getting back. Been an awfull lot of motorcycle accidents this year. Seems that way anyway. Thanks for posting the pictures. I have the Midnight Cherry Vision myself. As I have said before, love it.
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san antonio, tx | Nice picture!
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Oregon. | Here is my bike at the coast:
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Oregon. | Yea no picture, working on it. |
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| Some bikes do have problems, I think it's just fate. Got my new V.V.S. 09 on Feb. 23, 2011. Got 60 mile down the road and stopped for a drink (of water) and it was dead when I went to start it. Dealer came and found it had a loose battey connection. (at 8000 mi.) Pulled a bunk house camper 700 miles, trying to be real careful I was doing 65 and stayed in 5th gear so as not to load the engine down. (The rear Jug always seemed to run hot)Bike was running poorly when I got there, changed plugs, no help. Got home and pulled the plugs, they were snow white, went to local dealer he was no help, went to Spirit lake IA. ralley and took factory the tour. Mentioned my trouble to the tour guide. (who happened to be the operations manager) He put me in touch with a person that got a hold of the test machine operator. He hooked it up and said the fuel control was down level and so was the radio. Runs just like brand new again & the rear jug doesn't seem to run hot anymore, just get the left leg heat from the oil cooler like everone else. (@ 12000) headed out the driveway and get screeching sound, like wheelbearing slipping in the race, on the road, now the cruise control doesn't work. Different local dealer will look at it Tuesday AM for me. Great ride, great handling, love this bike, best one of 10 or so I'v had & the 200K +miles I'v ridden. Wouldn't trade even if I do have trouble with it. Two wings with only the rear wheel bearing beat the hubs out a 75K on both of them, so I'm not used to having problems. This bike is a joy to ride! Best ride I'v ever had, Don't know when to get off it. |
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Oregon. | Sorry about the problems you are having. I have ridden Harley Davidson, Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Honda motorcycles. The Victory Vision is the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden. I have not had any problems with mine, starts first time, every time. The Gold Wing I rode was very uncomfortable, could pack a ton of stuff on it, but was uncomfortable to ride for me. Anyway, sorry about the problems your having, take it easy. |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | I guess there are some fit and finish problems. I suppose I ought to slow down and look. Can't really see'em much above 85. Oh well-too busy with breeze in my knees... |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | I guess there are some fit and finish problems. I suppose I ought to slow down and look. Can't really see'em much above 85. Oh well-too busy gettin' the breeze in my knees...
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Flowery Branch Ga | Machines are made by man and man is not perfect, therefore the machines won't be as well.
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| Well the problems is solved, A Pinched wire in the front fairing area. Blew the fuse for heated seat, heated grips & cruise control. BUT the lite on the cruise control panel would come on when I turned on the cruise. I love riding this bike, only bike I ever felt safe on at 75 & 80 |
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| So.....why in the hell are you yelling? Take off the CAPS LOCK.
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scotts valley, California | Customarily caps are used for acronyms. I've been pondering over this for days, just can't figure out the full meaning of "C H E A P A S S". Any guesses? |
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New Bohemia, VA | Can He Ever Accept Polaris As Something Superior? |
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| varyder - 2011-09-20 8:47 PM Can He Ever Accept Polaris As Something Superior? ROLMFAO!!!
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scotts valley, California | That's going to be hard to beat, Va!! |
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Dayton, OH | ridingcowboy - seems like to me a lot of complaining about issues the warranty should cover. I got a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty when I purchased my 09 in Mar 2010 and haven?t used it yet. Just turned 22K miles without any issues other than losing one of those upper wind deflectors and the stock 3.5mm audio cord that requires some jiggling every once in a while. Granted, there are things I wish were better like the anemic audio system, but hell, it plays and I will continue to use it like it is until I upgrade it. I don't consider that a major fault in the workmanship or quality of the bike; it's just the fact that I'm somewhat of an audiophile and desire/require something better. The wife and just about everyone else that hears it thinks it's just fine. The bike overall has exceeded my expectations and I thank GOD every time I ride it. I still get compliments and requests to take photos of it all the time, it a natural conversation starter and it hasn't gotten old yet.
By your own rationale you?ve indicated Polaris makes good schitt and 99% of the participants on this forum agree with that assertion, especially as it relates to the Victory Vision. Personally, IMHO, I think I have one of, if not the best riding, looking, sounding touring/cruising motorcycle built to date, but that?s just my opinion. You can complain about your $24K purchase all you want but you?re not going to get much sympathy here; we drink the Victory Vision Kool-Aid and like it, love it, want more of it. I hope you get your issues resolved to your satisfaction or get rid of your headache. Hell, maybe you got a lemon, it happens with the best of things.
At any rate, tomorrow is supposed to be sunny and 75, I?m going riding and I pray I don?t have any of the issues you are experiencing.
Peace!!
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New Orleans, La, | I have an 08 VV with 44,500 mi. on the clock purchased one week before Christmas of 07. That being said I've had the following issues 1) fuel pump failed, 2) radio display went out, 3) left grip heat element wire cut, not the fault of Victory or rider, 4) seat splitting at the seams on both sides, 5) trunk lid ratles like crazy, all 4 speakers blown. Of these issues the fuel pump, front speakers, and the radio were done under warranty by Performance Powersports on MLK Blvd in Houma, La., yes I am plugging for my deaaler, to my satisfaction. The wire issue will be addressed by them soon and a local upholstery man will be doing the seat. Some of these issues are peculiar to the first year VV and seem to have been resolved on subsequent models. No company can boast of 0 product or customer issues ever. My only gripe with Victory/Polaris is that they have absolutely 0 customer service accessible by the customer and cast a wooden ear to the people that spend their hard earn dollars on their products when they have issues. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Damn, this one of the longest and most commented on post I've seen on this site. I see both sides, there's always SOMETHING to complain about and that goes for GMC, Ford, Chrysler, Honda, Nissan and Rolls Royce too. Over all I'm very happy with my "old" 08 Vision.........
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Brighton, TN | If you want the seat covered under warranty, tell them the heating element in the seat is erratic and sometimes works and sometimes not. The covering is not coverable, but there ain't much they can do about the heat elements. I know quite a few folks who have gotten theirs replaced this way. |
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Orlando, FL | Is this thread still going on and on and on and on and on? |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | It seems like many of the issues with the Vision were with the '08's that were delivered in '07. My '08 was delivered in June of '08 and I have not experienced many of the problems I read about on this forum. Maybe I don't have as much time on the bike as others who had issues and I will eventually see the same problems. So far my Vision has never let me down, left me stranded, or performed less than an exceptional motorcycle. If it does, then I might change my viewpoint.
Anyone agree that the early '08's had more issues than the later ones or is this an incorrect impression I'm getting from this forum? |
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New Bohemia, VA | victoryvisiontour - 2011-09-22 11:29 AM
It seems like many of the issues with the Vision were with the '08's that were delivered in '07. My '08 was delivered in June of '08 and I have not experienced many of the problems I read about on this forum. Maybe I don't have as much time on the bike as others who had issues and I will eventually see the same problems. So far my Vision has never let me down, left me stranded, or performed less than an exceptional motorcycle. If it does, then I might change my viewpoint.
Anyone agree that the early '08's had more issues than the later ones or is this an incorrect impression I'm getting from this forum?
If you want to call them issues. To me, issues are in the form of recalls, which this bike had a few of them. All of my "issues" were resolved, that involved recalls. I had a fuel pump failure that was replaced under warranty. Some may call this an issue, but I only know of a very few other folks from the forum that had to have theirs replaced as well. To me, this is not an issue, just a problem with some. Also, consider the thousands of owners we never hear from because they never frequent the forum. The forum users are just a small segment of the ownership, very small segment. |
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