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Kansas City, MO | I put J&M speakers in mine 09 VV Street so I dont have back speakers - still sucks going for more power now |
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Danville, CA | yeah, speakers aint shit without good clean power. garbage in. garbage out. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | This is probably no help but, I had a 2008 vision and I now have a 2011. In the past I had to have the stereo up to 12 when cruising around town. Now with the 2011 I'm getting the same volume while being at 8-9 .. I know this isn't tech specs. Lol |
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Salina, KS | I have an 09 & just put Kicker PS5250 (2 ohm) speakers on all 4 corners....HUGE DIFFERENCE! Great clarity, no distortion & even a hint of bass if you so choose. For the sound on a bike, I think they are fine used with the stock stereo. |
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Peachtree City, GA | I put a pair in my wife's vision and I have been really happy with the results. She did not really notice it until I told her I replaced them... They are cleaner - less distortion and a little more base.
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| I have Polks on all four corners with an amp. Huge difference. I can actually cruise at 85 with music. |
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Peachtree City, GA | Which amp do you have? I was running a pair of Polks in the front (have the trunk off) and an Alpine amp... I witched over to Infinitys because the Polks just were not loud enough at speed on the freeway.
The Polks I thought had sounded much better then the Infinitys... Thinking of a different amp now... |
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Davenport, IA | Tonyj, Just curious, what did the two Kickers cost your for the front? I am thinking about Kickers. |
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Salina, KS | $190 a pair from R&R Car Audio in Columbia MO. The owner, Dave, is a member of our Victory Club & a great guy to deal with to boot! He has them in 2 ohm, which I used, or 4 ohm. The PS prefix stands for Power Sport....the manufacturers are realizing there is a whole untapped market in that market segment. |
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Davenport, IA | Thanks Tonyj! Another question? Does it make any difference if you use 2ohm or 4 ohm? And what does original speakers run on, 2ohm's or 4 ohm? |
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| Webhair - 2011-08-30 6:41 AM
Which amp do you have? I was running a pair of Polks in the front (have the trunk off) and an Alpine amp... I witched over to Infinitys because the Polks just were not loud enough at speed on the freeway.
The Polks I thought had sounded much better then the Infinitys... Thinking of a different amp now...
It's an old Pyle 4x75, nothing special but it works. I don't have any problem hearing music until 100mph or so. A little distortion between 85 and 100. And I really shouldn't be listening to music then anyway lol. |
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Salina, KS | 2 ohm according to the Fluke meter.....my volume setting is the same as with the stock speakers but with much better sound quality..
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| tonyj - 2011-08-31 6:58 PM
2 ohm according to the Fluke meter.....my volume setting is the same as with the stock speakers but with much better sound quality..
I just checked a set from my '10 and '11 and they were both 3.5-3.6 ohms so 4 ohm replacement would be correct I would think.
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| I have the Victory Kickers up front, and the J&M's in the trunk. I am very disappointed with the J&M's... they clip out way to easily.... I just ordered a pair of Kuryakyn 5.25" Kicker 2-ohm Speakers 875 for Harley, which appear to be identical to the PS5250's from Victory... for a lot less $$ Only $125 from an Ebay store...
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Expect delivery on Tuesday....
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| Does anybody know what the effect is of running 2 ohm speakers in place of the original 4 ohm speakers? Does the reduced resistance cause any technical issues and what effect does it have on the sound? I did a google search and many of the returns mention degraded sound quality and a possibility of damage to the amplifier when running 2 ohm speakers with an amplifier rated for 4 ohm speakers. In my case, I wear earplugs and run the radio at full volume on the highway so I'm wondering if max output coupled with lower speaker resistance is liable to break something over time.
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| marcparnes - 2011-09-02 9:11 AM
Does anybody know what the effect is of running 2 ohm speakers in place of the original 4 ohm speakers? Does the reduced resistance cause any technical issues and what effect does it have on the sound? I did a google search and many of the returns mention degraded sound quality and a possibility of damage to the amplifier when running 2 ohm speakers with an amplifier rated for 4 ohm speakers. In my case, I wear earplugs and run the radio at full volume on the highway so I'm wondering if max output coupled with lower speaker resistance is liable to break something over time.
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Umm.. the factory Vision speakers are indeed 2ohm, not 4ohm.... |
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| I measured two sets from my old '10 and the current '11 and unless I'm doing something wrong the resistance between their leads was consistently 3.5 - 3.6 ohms on a high quality meter. Kicker also specs all Victory OE heads at 4 ohms. Where did the 2 ohm spec come from? Interesting.
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| From Hifisoundconnection.com:
PS5250 coaxial speakers are now available in 4-Ohm resistance to be compatible with 1998-2005 Harley-Davidson? and all Victory? OEM head units. They also come in 2-Ohm resistance to be compatible with 2006-and-later Harley-Davidson OEM head units, or conventional amplifiers that are 2-Ohm stable per channel.
From Kicker.com:
New 4-Ohm model for Victory bikes and early-model Harley-Davidsons |
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San Antonio, TX | Impedance vs. Resistance
If I take a any Volt-Ohm meter and measure a long thin wire on the resistance scale. I get a reading of the DC (Direct Current) Resistance of the wire.
Speakers do not do Direct Current.
Speakers convert an Alternating Current into sound. Measuring the Impedance of a speaker takes a very different piece of test equipment. This equipment generates an AC test signal and measures the current used by the speaker to calculate the speakers impedance in ohms for that frequency.
A speakers impedance varies based on the frequency of the test signal.
For what I have learned the Vision uses 4 ohm speakers. Using a 2 ohm speaker in a 4 ohm system doubles the current produced by the stock radios' amplifier. This can shorten the life of the final transistors of the stock amp and cause them to overheat. Some systems can protect them selves from failure....other cannot.
Check out the article below for more info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_characteristics_of_dynamic_...
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| I just talked to Kicker tech support. He said that the 4 ohm version of the PS5250's are new this year. All previous models were 2 ohm... and since Victory has had them as an option for a while, they are probably the 2ohm speakers. The factory speakers should be stamped with their resistance, so I will go home at lunch and see if I can find that mark. I can say that the Victory Kickers up front sound much better than the J&M's I installed in the trunk.... which is why I ordered another set of Kickers... albeit the Kury packaged one's for HD for a lot less money. Both the Kuryakyn Kicker 2ohm and 4ohm are less than $130.
Here's the info on J&M's Victory upgrade speakers. They specifically state that they are 2 ohm !
Product Description
Fairing Speaker Upgrade Kit for 2008-2012 Victory Vision/CrossCountry
# FSPU-VCTV
Our wide fidelity fairing speaker upgrades for the 2008-2012 Victory? Vision or CrossCountry will allow the volume to be adjusted to maximum at highway speeds, without distortion.
They feature the same exact dimension mounting hole pattern and electrical spade lug size/polarity as the stock speakers, to make installation a snap.
Rated at 2 ohms impedance (2.6 ohms actual) and 140 watts max power, they feature a very thin, hard, injection molded polycarbonate cone, titanium colored dust cover, super flexible rolled edge, high sensitivity voice coil and high flux strength Neodymium magnet structure, to provide for maximum air movement, along with superior response.
You will be impressed by the significant improvement in volume and sound quality while riding your Vision. ((sold in pairs))
This Product Is Compatible With These J&M Product Families:
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| Looking at the OE speaker there is no stamping but does have a label on the back of the magnet. It says "4012273, REV.01, RSI# 37039, 09.04.08 USA". There is no other markings on the speaker. Interesting that J&M specs 2 ohms and Kicker specs 4 ohms which is what radioteacher mentioned.
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http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=104932846201171 |
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| marcparnes - 2011-09-02 11:12 AM
Looking at the OE speaker there is no stamping but does have a label on the back of the magnet. It says "4012273, REV.01, RSI# 37039, 09.04.08 USA". There is no other markings on the speaker. Interesting that J&M specs 2 ohms and Kicker specs 4 ohms which is what radioteacher mentioned.
Marc
All four of mine say Rev.02. I also want to re-emphasize that Kicker only recently (in the last few months) came out with the 4ohm version of the PS5250 speakers. All the ones that Victory has been selling in their upgrades are the 2ohm versions that have been out for quite a bit longer.
I believe the following post could explain how 2ohm speakers are used on a 4ohm head unit..
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Location: Albuquerque, NM I read on here somewhere on here or the vmc site that the speaker impedance is 2 ohms. I believe the head unit is 2 channel running one chan. front & one rear and the ouput impedance per channel is 4 ohms. That would kinda confirm that each speaker is 2 ohms with the front two and rear 2 speaker conn. in series (4 ohms) correct? There is a fader control but no balance control I think....need to check.
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| My '11 speakers also say Rev.02. In my case I'm running without the trunk so I only have one speaker per side. Maybe in that case if the speakers with a trunk are wired in series 4 ohm would be correct with one. I'm still curious why Kicker calls for 4 ohms when they should know since they've been involved with OE. When you spoke with the Kicker tech did he say why they are now calling for 4 ohm speakers?
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| marcparnes - 2011-09-02 1:03 PM
My '11 speakers also say Rev.02. In my case I'm running without the trunk so I only have one speaker per side. Maybe in that case if the speakers with a trunk are wired in series 4 ohm would be correct with one. I'm still curious why Kicker calls for 4 ohms when they should know since they've been involved with OE. When you spoke with the Kicker tech did he say why they are now calling for 4 ohm speakers?
Marc
Yes, for certain model year Harley's.... they don't make these things just for Victory.... and, according to the post I copied above, the channels on the Vision aren't left and right, they are front / back, so with the trunk off, the two front speakers are still on the same channel.... 2ohm + 2ohm = 4 ohm ....
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| Hmmm... doesn't sound right. If the two front speakers were on the same channel you wouldn't have stereo which we do. I think you also noted that the front and rear were wired in series. I wonder if that is possible since if they were wired in series and you unplugged the trunk like many of us have, there wouldn't be a circuit and no sound. Kinda like the old Xmas lights where one blew and the whole string went out. Makes more sense that they are wired in parallel so that each one will operate independently from the other. Also, the passenger has a separate volume control and if they were wired in series then lowering one would lower both. Gotta be parallel I think. I'm betting radioteacher and Kicker are correct and the original speakers are 4 ohm. radioteacher stated that checking the resistance across the speaker leads was not a correct way to measure impedance. I know he is right but I also found a couple of sites that say you can half-ass measure them this way to get the minimum impedance which would be 50-75% of the correct number. I don't know anything about radios so can't vouch for it but I did measure 3.5 ohms across the OE speakers which kind of validates what I read.
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| I emailed radiosound.com and asked them what ohm speakers they're using. I'll report back when I hear from them.
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San Antonio, TX | From older posts on this topic......
joe schmoe - 2010-06-15 9:49 AM
...I Contacted Radio Sound the radio manufacturer, they told me their radio is rated at 4 Ohm IMPEDANCE.......The guy I spoke with at the Radio Sound, said that the (stock) radio put out 20 W per channel...
Jedi Jeff - 2010-07-01 12:29 PM
Just for reference, I contacted RadioSound for specs on the radio and speakers. Some of this info has already been stated in previous posts.
Vision Radio: 23 Watts per channel peak
Stock Victory Speakers: 4 ohm, 55 watt speakers with SPL sensitivity of 91dB
Take care
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| Perfect! Thank you for that.
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| marcparnes - 2011-09-02 6:21 PM
... I wonder if that is possible since if they were wired in series and you unplugged the trunk like many of us have, there wouldn't be a circuit and no sound. Kinda like the old Xmas lights where one blew and the whole string went out. ...
Marc If the fronts and backs are on separate channels, then unplugging one channel only (ie. the trunk) would have no effect on the other channel, the front. And at the risk of repeating myself, Kicker did NOT make 4 0hm PS5250 speakers until just recently! All the ones Victory sells therefore MUST be the 2ohm version. That is according to their tech department.
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| I see your point that if all Kicker had available previously were 2 ohm speakers then that had to be what they were supplying as upgrades to Victory even though the OE speakers were 4 ohm. I've been reading a lot of the previous posts here regarding this issue and what I've taken from it is that using 2 ohm in place of 4 ohm could give more volume but less sound quality with the potential to damage the amp over the long run. Those are of course general observations and not necessarily particular to our bike. In other words, in this case maybe Vic determined that running 2 ohm wasn't going to hurt anything and since that was all that was available they decided to offer them. I installed the 4 ohm Kickers yesterday and I'm going for an extended ride tomorrow so I'll see how they sound on the freeway. The reason I changed the speakers was in an effort to increase the volume. I wear earplugs and have found that the radio sounds much, much better with earplugs than without. Without them the high pitched ambient noise makes it difficult for me to hear the radio. With them I can hear it perfectly but it requires a lot of volume. With the stock speakers full volume is just enough so I was hoping the Kickers would increase the volume enough to give a little margin with plugs in. I'll know for sure tomorrow.
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| Interested in getting your assessment after your ride..... how do they sound in the garage, quieter, louder, or the same? |
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| Can't really say. I never really paid that much attention to the OE pair in the garage. I ran the new ones up just for the heck of it and the entire neighborhood probably heard them :-)
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| BTW, where did you get your 4ohm Kickers, direct from Victory, or elsewhere? |
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| I got them here:
http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/
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| I found these at bestbuy. I wonder if there the same speakers
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Model: KS525 | SKU: 1677245
Handles up to 270 watts peak power (90 watts RMS); injection-molded polypropylene woofer cones; 3/4" Kaladex dome tweeters; santoprene rubber surrounds |
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| john frey - 2011-09-03 11:44 AM
I found these at bestbuy. I wonder if there the same speakers
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Kicker - KS 5-1/4" 2-Way Car Speakers with Polypropylene Cones (Pair)
Model: KS525 | SKU: 1677245
Handles up to 270 watts peak power (90 watts RMS); injection-molded polypropylene woofer cones; 3/4" Kaladex dome tweeters; santoprene rubber surrounds
They seem to be different John. From the Kicker site:
http://www.kicker.com/ks_series
http://www.kicker.com/ps5250
Their MSRP for the KS525 is $99.95 and the PS5250 is $249.95
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| I took a ride of about 200 miles yesterday including a fair bit of freeway. The reason I installed the Kickers was to get more volume and I can't say that happened. As a matter of fact they may be a slight bit lower in volume. I'm going to call Kicker tomorrow and see if the 2 ohm units might have been a better choice. So far a waste of time and money.
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| marcparnes - 2011-09-05 2:28 PM
I took a ride of about 200 miles yesterday including a fair bit of freeway. The reason I installed the Kickers was to get more volume and I can't say that happened. As a matter of fact they may be a slight bit lower in volume. I'm going to call Kicker tomorrow and see if the 2 ohm units might have been a better choice. So far a waste of time and money.
Marc
For stock Vision radio's, I think the 2ohm is the way to go. But, if I ever install an amp, I will definitely get 4ohm speakers! |
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| Certainly seems that way.
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| I just got off the phone with both Radio Sound and Kicker. The tech at Radio Sound confirmed that the OE speakers are 4 ohm which we already knew. He also said it was not a good idea to use 2 ohm and that they could definitely damage the radio. I then called Kicker and he stated that the speakers they supplied to Victory for their accessory program were in fact 4 ohm even though they didn't offer them aftermarket. I asked him about the volume issue and he said that the only way to increase the volume would be to install an amplifier. He said that installing 2 ohm could cause the radio to "shut down" if run at maximum volume. Riders here would certainly disagree with that statement. He said he was going to let the PR people know about the volume issue since they claim the volume is increased on their website.
So, that's the story. I may just reinstall the OE speakers and call it a day.
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| marcparnes - 2011-09-06 8:28 AM
I just got off the phone with both Radio Sound and Kicker. The tech at Radio Sound confirmed that the OE speakers are 4 ohm which we already knew. He also said it was not a good idea to use 2 ohm and that they could definitely damage the radio. I then called Kicker and he stated that the speakers they supplied to Victory for their accessory program were in fact 4 ohm even though they didn't offer them aftermarket. I asked him about the volume issue and he said that the only way to increase the volume would be to install an amplifier. He said that installing 2 ohm could cause the radio to "shut down" if run at maximum volume. Riders here would certainly disagree with that statement. He said he was going to let the PR people know about the volume issue since they claim the volume is increased on their website.
So, that's the story. I may just reinstall the OE speakers and call it a day.
Marc
LOL... that's it, I'm not wasting any more money on individual speakers.... Next sound upgrade will be the Hawg Wired system.... hell, I've damned near spent that much money already between 2 sets of Kickers and a set of J&M's.... hindsight... geez.... |
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| You know, twice burned and all that. I previously installed a set of J&Ms on my 2010 and even though they were 2 ohm it didn't improve it one bit. Why would I think this would've worked? I never learn :-(
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Broken Arrow, OK | LOL, don't be so down on yourselves. Your hindsights have saved a bunch of us a lot of $$$$$. Thank you, thank you! |
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| okie vision - 2011-09-06 6:38 AM
LOL, don't be so down on yourselves. Your hindsights have saved a bunch of us a lot of $$$$$. Thank you, thank you!
Well, that makes it all worthwhile.... NOT :-)
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| marcparnes - 2011-09-06 9:44 AM
okie vision - 2011-09-06 6:38 AM
LOL, don't be so down on yourselves. Your hindsights have saved a bunch of us a lot of $$$$$. Thank you, thank you!
Well, that makes it all worthwhile.... NOT :-)
Marc
+1 !! LOL If I knew then what I know now, I would have just opted for the Hawg Wired system, even though it's only two channel and doesn't do squat for the trunk speakers. But, I could relocate my Victory Kickers to the trunk with the Hawg Wired system up front. Would still have to get a separate amp (or pair of mono amps) for the rear.
Actually, I'll probably opt for that new bluetooth dongle, since I already have bluetooth speakers in my Nolan n103 helmet... yeah, that's the ticket !!!!
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Brighton, TN | Marc and all, having done a little sound system work in a past life as a hobby. So, only going on experiences. I have found that the better speakers normally don't get much louder at all, if ever. What you do wind up with is a speaker that is able to play a broader range of frequencies and sound better doing it. Normally, the ability to get MUCH louder when you stick an amp on them and sound more rock show like. At the price you paid and having used Kicker's before, dropping a small amp on them would get you the results you want, LOUD and CLEAR! What's not too like! You need one more piece and satisfaction all around. Most head units, be it stock or aftermarket will not push enough power for most mid-level speakers to be near their maximum output. Which is why you would amp it up? Comparing the two, Kicker or Hawgwired, the Kicker construction and quality would be hands down better by a long shot.
I am rambling, there are a few more thoughts on the matter. If I had it do at the moment, definitely the Kicker or Polk speakers and AMP them. Loud, LOUder, LOUDER, and sweeet serenity of audio ecstasy. |
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North Orange County CA | A lot of the guys who claim to love their DYI speaker / stereo upgrades have added foam baffles, like these:
http://www.amazon.com/Brand-Installbay-Universal-Speaker-Baffles/dp...
Could a $15.00 pr add-on make that much difference? Smarter people than I claim it does. I took a semester of "Physics of Sound" in college (Nashville, home of guitars and a recording studio on every corner) and it appears to me to be smart money.
Too bad that I didn't learn enough in that class to use ear plugs before the hearing loss and the high pitched squealing started; or I might have a reason to spend a couple of hours installing them to find out.
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Camas Washington | I put a set of the foam speaker cups behind the back speakers. It helped a little but the only way to get better sound is by a amp. I changed out all my speakers to Hertz speaks which are rated 4 ohms but there really 3.5 ohms. The clearity is better but again I will need and amp to get the sound I want. |
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Peachtree City, GA | Ok - I have been following this one for a bit now and will add in what I have found....
Stock speakers - ok - wanted louder and cleaner... Installed Polk Audio DXi525's and the Alpine 445.... Cleaner tighter bass, crisp highs... sound great in the garage... NOT as loud on the freeway as the stock speakers without the amp...
Next, installed the Infinity whatever speakers with the Alpine 445... Not as clean - not as much bass - a little louder at freeway speeds....
Now is where I am stuck.... I have a new amp to install and am planning on going back to the Polks with a RF PBR300X4 and see where that gets me... At that point I am done with that bike - when I get to it...
On my wife's bike I just installed the Kicker speakers and nothing else... I still think it sounds better then stock at low speed and freeway. So I am leaving it alone... Alone - I tell you - LOL (we will see)...
Unfortunately I just had 3 vertebra fused in my neck last week and will not be playing with this for a few months....
BUT - I did see something the other day on an other forum and was wondering if anyone had considered moving up to 6.5" speakers????
In a few spec's that I was looking at... They are not as deep, a hair larger and may not stick out as much... This could also increase the amount of out put...
Just a thought... but it will be weeks before I can look into that idea some more... Thoughts anyone?????? |
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Brighton, TN | Webhair do you have the gain set on the low or high. One of two things should happen when you get near the maximum of the speaker or amp.
1. Distortion sets in which means you don't have enough amp to get it louder.
2. The speaker will reach its limits of its excursion and make a sound like it is hitting a solid object, which means more power than the speaker can handle.
What new amp are you installing?
You guys are making me Jonesin' to put in my old school Rockford Fosgate 4080 amp and have a run at this. It's a big amp is the only downside. Power to make your house lights dim.
The 6.5's won't be a direct drop in. Love to have me some, but I would have to do some custom work. |
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Peachtree City, GA | The new amp I have sitting in a box ready to go is a new Rockford Fosgate PBR300X4.... Size it right for where I want to put it and I think it will work out great.
As for the gain... I have tried it both ways with both speaker setups... It just does not have the power I am looking for... I guess you can say - I really like my music loud and clear... Or maybe I am going deaf... (don't tell my wife). ;-)
As for the speakers... I am planning on going back to the Polk's 525 with the new amp... They fit in great and ha better sound... In reading the specs on the 6.5... Not as deep, may not protrude as far out... Just a little larger diameter.... Higher wattage rating.... better response...
You know the deal - thinking is not always the best thing to do... as well as leaving well enough alone...
Since Best Buy carriers both and I have a friend their.... I was thinking of seeing if he can pull a set of each and see what we can work out... - it may be as simple as a correct spacer... (wishful thinking).
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Brighton, TN | Having past experience with rockford that thing should rock your socks off in a hurricane. Mind boggling the power output in such a small package. I got to know if that works cause if it does, I'm gonna find some change under the sofa cushions and go get one. Also, let us know if you can get the 6.5's to fit without hitting the front grill. I can feel the fever coming back.
Then if you wanted to there was a guy who put a sub into the mount mechanism for the tour pack and you could see it right below the back seat. Sounded pretty good. I so want to do this. But I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system, I'm happy with the stock system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | I kept trying that - it did not work for me.... so far...
As for the sub... I prefer to run without the trunk.... and keep everything close to "sleeper" looking...
I know in a couple of my trucks I was able to get some pretty good bass out 6.5" an a nice little Bi amp Alpine system... I had started with twin sealed 10" and the 12" and ended up really happy with just the 6.5" of course that was a SUV.... A little different then a bike. - well kind of.
Someday's - I think I need an new hobby....
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Visionary
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Brighton, TN | I was running around in the early 90's with a T-bird and Sony head, two fosgate amps, boston acoustic separates 6.5 and tweets, 6x9's, and two 12's in a bandpass X order enclosure. That thing was rock concert loud and clean and clear. Loved it. Thanks for the reminiscing! Kept the amps will probably install them in something else at some point, if they don't disintegrate from old age.
Just think if you had the passenger backrest or modify a mount system to replicate the trunk on a smaller scale to hold the sub or a couple of 6.5's. OH the possibilities. That freaking thing would be off the charts. |
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Visionary
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Brighton, TN | I was daydreaming again. I have been running around in the bikini version of the Vision for a while and really enjoy it. Would like to do what you are tackling just a $1 short. Enjoy, I shall live vicariously through you. Thanks. Index finger and pinky in the air, screaming "ROCK ON!" |
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Iron Butt
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| I have a pair of Kicker speakers part# 10PS52504 4 ohm that I experimented with for one day. I've since put everything back to stock. I paid $209.00 for the pair and will sell them including shipping within the US for $110. If interested please send me a PM.
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Iron Butt
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | I tried a sub in a couple of different ways on the Vision. The best I found was to seal the front of a 10" sub to the tunnel at the bottom of the trunk. The trunk itself then becomes the enclosure for the back of the sub. The tunnel is open to atmosphere so the sound waves get out fine. It sounded real good in the garage. When I started the Vision, some of the low frequency was lost. A big V-twin has certain low frequency rumble, so I wonder if there is a cancellation affect. ??? At 70mph the sub was not noticable. I had to turn the gain up to make it audible at speed. This made the sub overpowering at slow speed or stopped. I decided that giving up the trunk space as not worth it and removed the sub.
6.5" speakers would sound much better than 5.25". I looked at switching to 6.5", but it would take some modification. There is very little depth in the front locations and the rear is not wide enough. If someone finds a way to make 6.5ers fit please share with us.
Edited by victoryvisiontour 2011-09-27 6:50 PM
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Cruiser
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Tampa, Fl United States | marcparnes - 2011-09-27 6:25 PM
I have a pair of Kicker speakers part# 10PS52504 4 ohm that I experimented with for one day. I've since put everything back to stock. I paid $209.00 for the pair and will sell them including shipping within the US for $110. If interested please send me a PM.
Thanks,
Marc
PM already sent, please respond
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Cruiser
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Kerrville Texas ( now a homeowner on six acres) | I like listening to the radio on short trips around town but, when I get out on the road i turn it off because it distupts the beautifuullll sound of the Vision at about 70-80 miles per hour!!
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New user
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New Jersey | Anyone with experience adding the Victory Premium Kicker speakers to a Vision that is not 2012? According to Victory's website they are only for the 2012 bikes. Available here for $129.60 with coupon moto20. http://motoworldracing.com/i-7250993-victory-kicker-premium-speaker... |
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Cruiser
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| You guy must have missed this or havent heard about it. So stop messing around and read my tech post. For around $300 you cant beat it!!!!!!!!!
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6938&pos... |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | victoryvisiontour - 2011-09-27 7:49 PM
6.5" speakers would sound much better than 5.25". I looked at switching to 6.5", but it would take some modification. There is very little depth in the front locations and the rear is not wide enough. If someone finds a way to make 6.5ers fit please share with us.
I haven't tried putting 6.25" speakers in but there might be space if you use shallow depth speakers and a spacer ring on the front of the inner mounting bezel. There's a bit of room (maybe .75"?) between the bezel and the outer speaker grill. The spacer would probably have to be custom made for the space and have 6.5" and 5.25" mounting holes . See my crude drawing.
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | Dain - 2011-10-04 1:02 AM
You guy must have missed this or havent heard about it. So stop messing around and read my tech post. For around $300 you cant beat it!!!!!!!!!
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6938&pos...
as cool as that is, thats the Last thing i need to do is Decrease my storage space..... i actually tour with this vision and im looking to increase my storage... |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | Trailer to pull behind the Vision?
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | tookerj - 2011-10-04 12:08 AM
Anyone with experience adding the Victory Premium Kicker speakers to a Vision that is not 2012? According to Victory's website they are only for the 2012 bikes. Available here for $129.60 with coupon moto20. http://motoworldracing.com/i-7250993-victory-kicker-premium-speaker...
Yes they fit and work - I have them in my wife's 08 Vision. Just make sure you get the 4 ohm version of them...
Edited by Webhair 2011-10-04 9:41 AM
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New user
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| For all you cross country and cross country tour owners who are looking to upgrade to the Kicker speaker for your bike: check out Parts Express out of California. They have the best prices on Kickers and other top brands. Kickers are 1/3 the price of the cheapest suppliers listed in previous posts. Check it out.  |
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