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Aubrey, TX | So I pulled one of the tag along trailers from Harbor freight from Dallas to Sturgis with my 08 Vision. The bike bottomed out a couple of times on the way up so I put air in the shock in Colorado and it did not bottom out anymore. Made it to Sturgis fine..unhooked it and rode for 5 days there with no issues. On the way bike we got about 9 miles north of North Platte, NE and I heard a noise. Pulled over and my wife saw a bolt go flying. After some looking i found that the studs connecting the sprocket to the wheel had sheared off and there was a gouge in the axle. There was still one lodged in between the sprocket and the axle and one bolt left. I backed the back up and the one lodged fell out...along with the one left in the sprocket..so the sprocket was just free wheeling. of course with the lack of dealers(or they were not open)..i had to get a uhaul to come home($818+$400 in gas):-(..
So I it took to my local shop and they were amazed at what happened..I asked them if bottoming out would cause that and I was told it would not because they had checked the belt before I left and had sufficient play. I am not sure if the extended warranty is gonna cover or not..
So my question is.has anyone seen anything like this happen?? |
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Vineland, NJ United States | sorry to hear about your mishap. I pull a Uni-Go trailer and ride my wife frequently on long trips with lots of climbs: Blue Ridge Parkway, Skyline Drive, etc. I keep the shock set at least 60lbs and the rear tire at least 41 lbs. I've never had any problems and I've never heard of what happened to you happening to anyone else. I don't know what would make those bolts back out? Interested to hear what others have to say. |
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Southern Indiana | How many miles do you have on your bike has the rear tire ever been replaced. It sounds like your tire man removed the sprocket to get the tire on his changer as most do and did not use new bolts to reinstall it. The new bolts come with a locking compond on them to keep this from occurring. |
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Aubrey, TX | I have about 33k..yes it has many times and I have also had the wheel and sprocket powder coated.. |
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Southern Indiana | I have not seen your parts but that could also lead to your problem when the parts are powder coated thier is a coating on both surfaces that can over time wear away and allow the bolts to loosen up. |
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Aubrey, TX | I assume the mechanic did the right thing when he put back together..but you know what assuming does.. |
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Southern Indiana | Been thier done that and it cost alot of money and down time. |
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Aubrey, TX | yep..may push me to a new Road glide.. |
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Southern Indiana | Ouch |
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| It makes you wounder if when you had a tire mounted and if they pulled the sprocket did they clean the bolts add red lock tight and torque to the right specks.
I just had a tire mounted and the sprocket was so tight to the tire jaws the dealer was scared. We placed a dollar bill between each jaw and we could just barley pull them out. We must have the biggest sprocket the motorcycle world. |
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Aubrey, TX | I have the bolts that were left and I see no red thread lock
Edited by mrwatson 2011-08-19 2:59 PM
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Lynnwood, WA | From your description, it sounds much more like a "mechanic/technician error" than an issue with the bike. I would be going to visit with the last person that had the wheel off and asking some questions...
Definately does not sound worthy of changing to an HD, unless you are unhappy with other things about Victory and in particular your Vision. Just my thoughts...
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Aubrey, TX | well if I would have had an HD..I could have gotten it fixed since there was a dealer in North Platte..would have saved me 1200
But I am leaning toward I can not trust the service folks now..
Edited by mrwatson 2011-08-19 3:28 PM
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Southern Indiana | This is why I take my tires to the guys I do. They do not have to remove the sproke and they let me watch them change it and then I take the tire back home and reinstall it on the bike myself. So if something goes wrong it on me.
Thier is a HD repair shop in most town because that about as far as they can ride with out needing repair when riding a HD |
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Perry Hall, MD | Does raise a good question as mentioned by RiverRat. Should the powder coat be removed from the mating surfaces of the wheel and sprocket? |
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Aubrey, TX | RiverRat - 2011-08-19 3:52 PM
This is why I take my tires to the guys I do. They do not have to remove the sproke and they let me watch them change it and then I take the tire back home and reinstall it on the bike myself. So if something goes wrong it on me.
Thier is a HD repair shop in most town because that about as far as they can ride with out needing repair when riding a HD
Funny you say that my wife's springer was still doing great when mine broke down..:-) |
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Oregon. | I am going to have to add my two cents, sounds like a problem started at the shop. I think that if this pushes you to a HD, maybe that's the way you should go. Maybe that is what should have been bought in the first place. |
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Aubrey, TX | To be honest..I have loved the vision..been picked on by my firend's who have harley's and defended it..I have had a couple of small issues with the shop before. I guess this is just the straw..I had never worried about dealer support before..but not having it on this trip cost me. I am not trying to make anyone mad by my comment.. |
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Aubrey, TX | Just a small update..after doing some poking around..I did find out that there was a change made from the 08 to the 09 and newer where they ditched "the stud and nut" method to mount the pulley and went to a "bolt-on" method..like Harley does. Makes me kinda curious why that change was made.. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | mrwatson - 2011-08-20 6:45 PM
Just a small update..after doing some poking around..I did find out that there was a change made from the 08 to the 09 and newer where they ditched "the stud and nut" method to mount the pulley and went to a "bolt-on" method..like Harley does. Makes me kinda curious why that change was made..
after you mentioned it i went and looked up the part numbers and noticed the same thing! i noticed since getting rid of my 08 and getting a 2011 that they changes more than a handful of things! |
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San Antonio, TX | mrwatson - 2011-08-20 6:45 PM
Just a small update..after doing some poking around..I did find out that there was a change made from the 08 to the 09 and newer where they ditched "the stud and nut" method to mount the pulley and went to a "bolt-on" method..like Harley does. Makes me kinda curious why that change was made..
Can I bolt on my pulley on my 2008? |
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Aubrey, TX | radioteacher - 2011-08-20 9:27 PM
mrwatson - 2011-08-20 6:45 PM
Just a small update..after doing some poking around..I did find out that there was a change made from the 08 to the 09 and newer where they ditched "the stud and nut" method to mount the pulley and went to a "bolt-on" method..like Harley does. Makes me kinda curious why that change was made..
Can I bolt on my pulley on my 2008?
Not really sure about that.. |
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Northeast Ohio | mrwatson - 2011-08-20 6:45 PM
Just a small update..after doing some poking around..I did find out that there was a change made from the 08 to the 09 and newer where they ditched "the stud and nut" method to mount the pulley and went to a "bolt-on" method..like Harley does. Makes me kinda curious why that change was made..
I bet it comes down to cost. I would believe that a bolt is cheaper than a stud and nut. |
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Goldsboro, NC | ScoreBo - 2011-08-21 3:20 PM
mrwatson - 2011-08-20 6:45 PM
Just a small update..after doing some poking around..I did find out that there was a change made from the 08 to the 09 and newer where they ditched "the stud and nut" method to mount the pulley and went to a "bolt-on" method..like Harley does. Makes me kinda curious why that change was made..
I bet it comes down to cost. I would believe that a bolt is cheaper than a stud and nut.
Yes, a stud and nut have twice the part numbers and twice the installation... plus a stud installer is a special tool. Cheaper to go with a bolt.
Implications:
1) Stud and nut will be two separate materials, meaning a different dynamic response to vibration, etc.
2) Stud, pulley, nut install are independently tightened. I have not looked, but if the bolt is going into a blind hole, it is possible to bottom out the hole or even pressure seal the hole for a fake bottomout... leading to a loose joint.
Engineers are always looking for efficiencies, but it is easy to get caught up in the numbers and forget the physics of what is being changed. |
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| lennyb - 2011-08-19 4:05 PM Does raise a good question as mentioned by RiverRat. Should the powder coat be removed from the mating surfaces of the wheel and sprocket? Yes you should clean the socket out of power coat. You want the nut to seat tight on the metal not the build up of paint. If you haven't power coated yet ask them to mask the holes off. If you were to pull the studs and I'll bet that would be a job you would have to see how much thread is in the hub to change to bolts. I don't remember what the rule of thumb is but its something like if your doing a 1/2" bolt you need double amount of thread. I do recall a couple others who's nuts came off. I don't remember if they painted the pulley. I do feel its dealer screwed up. Think of all the 08's on the road and now were talking about one bike not a hundred bikes.
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Aubrey, TX | john frey - 2011-08-22 11:37 AM
lennyb - 2011-08-19 4:05 PM Does raise a good question as mentioned by RiverRat. Should the powder coat be removed from the mating surfaces of the wheel and sprocket? ? Yes you should clean the socket out of power coat. You want the nut to seat tight on the metal not the build up of paint. If you haven't power coated yet ask them? to mask the holes off. ? If you were to pull the studs and I'll bet that would be a job you would have to see how much thread is in the hub to change to bolts. I don't remember what the rule of thumb is but its something like if your doing a 1/2" bolt you need double amount of thread.? ? I do recall a couple others who's nuts came off. I don't remember if they painted the pulley. I do feel its dealer screwed up. Think of all the 08's on the road and now were talking about one bike not a hundred bikes.
You are saying that the powder coat should have been removed where the nut seats into the pulley??..BTW do you remember any of the circumstances where the nut's came off of others' bikes?
Edited by mrwatson 2011-08-22 11:48 AM
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San Antonio, TX | mrwatson - 2011-08-22 11:46 AM
You are saying that the powder coat should have been removed where the nut seats into the pulley??..BTW do you remember any of the circumstances where the nut's came off of others' bikes?
I think I do remember at least one other that lost some nuts on a rear pulley but I cannot find it right now. It was a few hundred miles after a tire, pulley or belt change. I think the root cause was a lack of locktite on the studs/bolts.
The problem was noticed before it go so bad that the pulley failed.
I will look around to see if I can find the post.
Ride Safe |
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Aubrey, TX | looks like the warranty is going to cover the repairs..inspector is coming tomorrow..maybe I will have to get me an '11..:-) |
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Perry Hall, MD | Good news to hear. Probably too much to hope for, but it would be nice if they helped you out on the additional expenses that were incurred. |
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Aubrey, TX | definitely gonna try.. |
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Southern Indiana | You might want to make sure to point out this must be a problem area since Victory changed it to bolts instead of studs on the newer models. |
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Chattanooga, TN | I got nothin' except to say I HATE IT WHEN MY NUTS FALL OFF. Other than that, nothin' else to say. |
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Question for those who pull a trailer..