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Orlando, FL | I officially declare that as of July 26, 2011, Victory Motorcycles is just another bike maker trying hard to be HD. No one has managed that to date. With the future demise of the Vision, Victory is no longer a contender. They no longer stand out from the crowd. They are just another in a bunch of wannabe's
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New Bohemia, Va | good two cents but I'm not giving up too soon. Victory is dependable and innovative, there is only so much you can do with two wheels and a motor, so there will aways be similarity. |
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Central New York | I would love to know why everyone is always predicting "the future demise of the Vision". Is there any logical reason why any company would discontinue it's largest seller, it's breadwinner? At this point in time they have no reason to tweak it, other than color changes to identify a "new" vehicle. Maybe someday in the future, when sales begin to slip, they will make some cosmetic and functional upgrades to cast a line hoping to hook some Vision owner upgrades. Why should having a winner like the Vision preclude a company from going after the other guys sales? Why wouldn't they start a line of HD look-a-likes? If that endeavor turned a profit I wouldn't be surprised to see a 'Wing' look-a-like. Going after the other guys market doesn't have to mean you have given up on your own. 
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| If I wanted to have a h-d ,I'd bought one ! if I wanted to advertize for h-d I'd bought thier shirts and other stuff! ?but since I saw ,rode and bought a Vision I don't have that first regret ! As now when I ride and pass a h-d I usually get a thumbs up,or a good jester type greeting. I would have to guess with that means they like it too. I would think in todays hardships that a company would not want to loose any profit and stop making the best bike for the money,but guess I 'm a little bias on the subject ! But if you ever rode a Vision how could you not be? I just hope that Victory will start getting some more afforable clothing out ! One thing I've learned --it takes a long time to invent and to get it perfected,it take alot less time to copy it. ! |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Before the demise predictions go crazy I have one question: Does anyone have hard numbers showing how many Visions vs Cross Countries were sold in the past two years ?? |
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Cedar, Michigan | I think you are correct, Victory is no longer a contender. Contender for what? They make great bikes and are innovative in so many ways I couldn't list them all here. Contender? No, they are the standard, at this point, in American made bikes. HD will likely always be HD and have it's flock of sheep. I think you will never see any bike company that has a following like HD, now I would never own one but they do have a loyal flock. |
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Orlando, FL | XR, +1 I would love to see some numbers. But I'd be willing to bet that the XC-CC numbers kill the Vision. When I bought my VV 8 Ball in March I walked into a number of dealers. Most had more XC-CC than Visions. You could surmise that the Visions are flying out the door but I doubt it. I think the XC CC is winning the numbers game big time. In Daytona during bike week I saw a LOT of guys that were obviously HD riders test riding the XC. Didn't see one of them testing the Vision.
I love my Vision. Glad I got it. But I see where Vi misses the mark in so many places of opportunity. Ex. My congratulatory letter for buying a Vision letter offered me accessories for the XC and CC! Huh? What? Someone else on this post mentioned shirts and stuff. Didn't see much in the dealers I visited. These are only a couple of misses. Victory could be so, so much more. But when you keep missing the little things.........
And while I think the LE is a fantastic addition, it's the ONLY bike in that class that turns my head. I think the XC Tour's lower leg fairing is just FUGLY. I'm looking forward to seeing it in person in hopes that it looks better. The LE as well as the XC CC were built to steal the HD riders. I bet the LE sells out quickly. Not too sure about the rest. |
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| MaddMAx, go buy your HD and be done with it. I will even give you 2 cents so you won't have to whine you got short changed.
How many Victorys have you owned? So you registered on this site 3-11 and you already know Victory will collapse. Maybe you should go back and see how far they have come in 13 years. Yeah, that would mean doing something besides whining. You could have done a search and found the newbies that have said the same thing each year.
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| I love my vision but I think victory it self sucks. Very poor presentation of the 2012.
They could of done some changes like LED's compass different exhaust tips changed the look of the grips.
There starting to save money by putting the same wheels from the cross bikes on the vision but my not change the forks so there all the same if they want to save money.
I will not even go into clothes or accessories.
You just watch there going to put a big effort into that Indian that only five guys out of a thousand would buy.
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Central New York | john frey - 2011-07-27 1:54 PM I love my vision but I think victory it self sucks. Very poor presentation of the 2012. They could of done some changes like LED's compass different exhaust tips changed the look of the grips. There starting to save money by putting the same wheels from the cross bikes on the vision but my not change the forks so there all the same if they want to save money. I will not even go into clothes or accessories. You just watch there going to put a big effort into that Indian that only five guys out of a thousand would buy. I don't see a reason to sell my 08 and get a 2012 I'm very disappointed. +1 I looked over the 2012 on the web site and concluded the same. The bright side is John, the longer they go without making changes, the longer our 2008 holds it's value. I still hold with my previous post in that they won't change anything until their sales numbers indicate a need to do so. After all, the tooling is long since paid for, any unit produced now is gold in the pocket. Anyway, my '08 could well outlast me.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Yes, there are things I would change too, but I'm not a Victory/ Polaris mangement person. I'll just keep my 2008 Vision and make small changes I see fit, make it into a bike I'll keep along time..........
Edited by XRsteve 2011-07-27 1:23 PM
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Cabot Arkansas | I am glad they didn't screw with the Vision.... I LOVE THE WAY IT LOOK"S NOW.The most comfortable easist riding motorcycle I have ridden in over 40 years of riding.All the cross bikes look like another hd wanna be to me,and I can't stand that big black honking frame in the front of the engine looks like a radiator to me.
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Central New York | I think the 2012 Cross Tour looks more like a Yamaha Royal Star than an HD. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | The fairing is similar looking to the yamaha in pictures not so much in person. It'a a good looking bike, but I still like my V better....... |
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| XC vs. Vision? If you want to see proof, go to the AVR. Visions everywhere. Discontinue the Vision? Seriously? 20 million dollar investment and 5 years of development. Dump the best selling bike from 2008-2010? I'll believe the Vision will be discontinued when............ Never mind I don't believe it will happen. I fully expected the cross bikes to take over. Those bikes are aimed at a much larger market. The cross bikes are what the majority of people are looking at. Don't believe me, check what harley models are selling the best. The vision is a smaller market and attracts primarily non h-d. I see more Visions today that I did two years ago. The appeal for the bike is growing. Everyone knows it was a love it or hate it when the bike first came out. I hear more and more people say they didn't like the Vision when it first came out, but it has grown on them and now they like it. |
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| I love how people bitch and moan about a company that is making all the rest stand up and take notice!!! We have the best made and the best looking bikes on the road!! I will never own anything else. Blister |
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Pittsburgh, PA | well the myth about 2012 being a NO more year for the vision was B.S. lol |
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Iowa | Given the economic environment businesses are dealing with, taking this step now on the x bikes needed to happen. All the energy from the consumer was on this bike last year. They needed to ride the wave and capitalize on the market. This is where they could be the most nimble. The Vision stands alone and delivers to it's segment. We have all said at one time or another the Vision is a bike you love or hate from a design feature. These bikes are still moving and defining Victory. My .02 cents. |
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Orlando, FL | Hey RedRider, I never said I wanted an HD. Already have one in my garage. And I never said I didn't like my Vision. Or that I regretted the purchase. After a few bumps I'm happy overall. And I have prolly been around bikes longer and owned more than you will ever have. So kiss off! My opinion is that Vic is saying a slow goodbye to the Vision. The handwriting is on the wall. Wish I was wrong. Now go learn to read handwriting before you start slamming me.
And what's this? You don't reveal YOUR bike? Do you actually have a bike? A Schwinn perhaps? And where are you located in there world. Ohhhhh, I see, you're just a pozer hiding behind his (or HER) computer. Pedal faster Red, pedal faster.
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Orlando, FL | And yea, trying to emulate another company's product just makes Vic another of many in the herd. That's why no one, not even Indian will ever out flank HD. The Vision makes Victory stand out in a sea of many. If that goes..........
Edited by MaddMAx2u 2011-07-27 7:25 PM
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| IndyVision - 2011-07-27 5:56 PM
XC vs. Vision? If you want to see proof, go to the AVR. Visions everywhere. Discontinue the Vision? Seriously? 20 million dollar investment and 5 years of development. Dump the best selling bike from 2008-2010? I'll believe the Vision will be discontinued when............ Never mind I don't believe it will happen. I fully expected the cross bikes to take over. Those bikes are aimed at a much larger market. The cross bikes are what the majority of people are looking at. Don't believe me, check what harley models are selling the best. The vision is a smaller market and attracts primarily non h-d. I see more Visions today that I did two years ago. The appeal for the bike is growing. Everyone knows it was a love it or hate it when the bike first came out. I hear more and more people say they didn't like the Vision when it first came out, but it has grown on them and now they like it.
Have to agree with IndyVision and could not have said it better. The Cross series was geared toward a different niche group. The Vision has little if any competition. Call it "too futuristic" or whatever, but it has done very well. Until someone else competes with it, it will survive cuz it is damn near bulletproof after 5 years of mods. Vic now needs to mod the XC and meet their customers wants and desires. I can't tell the different from one H-D going down the road from another H-D. See a Vic rolling down the road, it turns heads and peeks folks interest. |
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New Bohemia, Va | digger1 - 2011-07-27 9:14 PM
IndyVision - 2011-07-27 5:56 PM
XC vs. Vision? If you want to see proof, go to the AVR. Visions everywhere. Discontinue the Vision? Seriously? 20 million dollar investment and 5 years of development. Dump the best selling bike from 2008-2010? I'll believe the Vision will be discontinued when............ Never mind I don't believe it will happen. I fully expected the cross bikes to take over. Those bikes are aimed at a much larger market. The cross bikes are what the majority of people are looking at. Don't believe me, check what harley models are selling the best. The vision is a smaller market and attracts primarily non h-d. I see more Visions today that I did two years ago. The appeal for the bike is growing. Everyone knows it was a love it or hate it when the bike first came out. I hear more and more people say they didn't like the Vision when it first came out, but it has grown on them and now they like it.
Have to agree with IndyVision and could not have said it better. The Cross series was geared toward a different niche group. The Vision has little if any competition. Call it "too futuristic" or whatever, but it has done very well. Until someone else competes with it, it will survive cuz it is damn near bulletproof after 5 years of mods. Vic now needs to mod the XC and meet their customers wants and desires. I can't tell the different from one H-D going down the road from another H-D. See a Vic rolling down the road, it turns heads and peeks folks interest.
None of really know the bottomline, but the words on this years model from Mother Victory says it is moving the Vision down and the Cross bikes up. Albeit, the Vision does attract and it has a strong following but we don't work at corporate do we? Now, again, I'd love to see the Vision in the 2020 line up. And for anyone who feels Indian will have any influence on the Vision, forget it. We have to understand they are totally seperate in market fields which neither will likely steal from the other. Actually, I see it going the other direction where you'll have an Indian and a Vision in one garage, that is more likely to happen.
The Vision has done nothing wrong at all, and back to a statement I made nearly 4 years ago, it doesn't matter if they made another Vision, I got mine. |
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seattle, wa | As long as everyone is showing their disappointment for Victory I will chime in also, what's with the flames and tribal paint?? Didn't that go out of style a few years ago? Might as well put some skulls on it while you are at it.
But seriously, you can't get a new bike every year. The Vision has only been out for 4 years and I am pretty darn happy with it the way it is. You want bigger bags? go buy a XCountry or a Wing. I can carry all I need in the saddlebags and either a duffle bag or wear a backpack.
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Davenport, IA | Victory may be just another bike company, but a good one. I can't blame a company going after the market most bikers are looking at. It's only good business. Yes, indeed the Cross Bikes took over as their number one seller, so why not make it better and invest in what's moving at the moment and ride that wave! I also am one that didn't like the Vision when it first came out, and agree with many of you that it grows on you. It grew on me to the extent that I bought one! Also, I am not a follower like most HD owners. I like to be different, so I bought a different bike. I am getting all the looks. If I wanted a bike that looks like all the millions of others, I would have bought an HD. After owning my Victory Vision and talking with all the other Victory owners I have come in contact with, there was not one unhappy Victory owner. They were all proud of their bike, not to mention loyal to the brand and would purchase another in a heart beat.
The introduction of the 2012 lineup shows the price tag on the CC Tour to be what the Vision was last year. And now the SRP on the Vision went down 3 grand! My prediction is that the Vision sales will pick up. Price drives sales and this is a fantastic value! With the amount of Visions on the street now, and still gaining notoriety, it would be a big mistake that this great bike would be dropped from the line up. I am a proud owner. As a new company being in business producing motorcycles for only 13 years, they are producing a great american made product. Keep up the good work Victory!!!!!! |
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Arizona | It's no surprise that Victory is ramping up their offerings in the cross bikes. While scaling back the choices in the other models. The masses have spoken. Which are the cross bikes. Many have complained about the cross bikes having buffeting and lack of wind protection, and they came out with the cross country tour. Which addressed those concerns head on and corrected.
Now we're butt hurt because the Vision hasn't been fully redesigned? Really? What the hell is wrong with the current models? The bag size, How much crap do you need to carry really. If you know how to pack a bike, it's really not an issue. Some of those cross bikes are getting loaded so heavy that they fall over. At least from what I read. My Vision sure as heck doesn't do that! I'm also pleased that ABS will be standard on all touring models. That's great news.
The vision has some new color choices, and is priced lower than last year. Doesn't mean that is going away. What it does mean, the cross bikes are the hotter ticket and they have gone up in price! Hello Mc-Fly! The good old supply and demand rule.....
What I haven't read on this post is someone commenting on the state of the economy! Why would you radically change certain models in times of uncertainty? That's just bad business. Especially if ain't broke, then don't fix it attitude. I'm a little rummy, running on lack of sleep, but I hope you get my point.
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Indianapolis, IN | I just have one thing to say............. if all those bitch'n were in charge of Victory, they would be the next company going out of business. The cats making decisions at Vic are making good well thought out business decisions in a very tough time. They are pleasing the crowd they need to in order to keep the brand strong and growing. Most of all they aren't fight over trivial crap that some seem to be hung up on.
Oh and yes they are just another bike company..... a damn good American one at that! If not they'd be making something else........... and doing a fine job of that as well!
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Tifton, GA | Here is my little comment. The change that Victory made on the 2011 transmission was the only thing the earlier Vision need for me to buy one. I KNOW from being on here for several months that the owners of the 08-10 Visions don't complain about the transmissions breaking. When I did test rides on the 10 models the shifting just seemed loose and gear noise was about the same as the HD I was riding. To ME the 2011 tranmission was a deal maker. There are other small changes that don't show, but are nice say car type power outlets for example. No company gets everything right on the first year model Victory has made changes to improve the Vision, because it doesn't need a redesign. Great designs evolve bad designs have to be redesigned. Just my .02 |
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| The cheaper price for the vision is the grey one. A heated seat is an option now. Put the heated seat on a grey vision and you're up over $21,000. |
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| I think Victory(and the Vision) will be around for quite a long time to come. harley has been around for a long time and definitely set some height on the bar...but Victory is closing fast with all the new technology and willingness to stand out in the crowd and be noticed....one just has to look at the cross bikes to see this and they don't want to be harley just the competition...which they managed to do in a short time. JMHO ;}
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Chino Valley, AZ | Unfortunately there are people who think that if something isn't exactly the way they want it then nobody should have it.
It took me six years to finally get a Victory. the 2004 Kingpin left over in 2005 was the first Victory I rode and I fell in love at the first crack of the throttle. When the Vision was on the drawing board I had my doubts about it, but as it developed and finally showed up on showroom floors, I fell in love once again. I now own a "New to Me" 2008 Vision Tour Premium and I can't imagine wanting anything else. The styling is beautiful, the handling is excellent and the comfort is satisfying. |
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| MaddMaxx...Your just "pissed" cause Victory dropped the Vision 8-ball...The company is as good, if not better, than others in this horrible economic state the country is in......Don't turn on them for such a simple reason..The Vision 8-ball is a great and unique bike in the market place...Consider your self lucky to have one......... |
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Northeast Ohio | I am left somewhat unfulfilled about the 2012 announcements. I think we all thought for sure the Vision was getting bigger sidebags. Whether is was the XC bags or larger current design bags. Either way, I was getting a new or newer Vision. Now that they haven't changed anything, I am left with a feeling of unfulfillment. Pardon me while I go sulk. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Hey, we should be all glad for one thing. Victory did make the CC a better bike and will sell more because of the changes. As long as Victory is making $$$$ they will still be around and will have the opportunity to make more and better bikes the Vision included........ |
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Orlando, FL | No Olas you are totally wrong. I'm disappointed. Stopping the 8 Ball just makes mine worth more. Go dump on someone else!! |
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| If you want new models every year buy a jap. bike, then you can complain about no after market parts because they change to often , what the hell do you need to bring that the vision bags are to small,ride em customize em and enjoy the best bike built. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | That is true about the jap sportbikes, very little parts remain the same year after model year. A 2006 GSXR 750 or 1000 is virtually worthless compared to a 2006 Harley ElectraGlide. Visions will be the same as HD's in that respect and it's a good thing........... |
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| MaddMAx2u - 2011-07-27 8:33 AM
I officially declare that as of July 26, 2011, Victory Motorcycles is just another bike maker trying hard to be HD. No one has managed that to date. With the future demise of the Vision, Victory is no longer a contender. They no longer stand out from the crowd. They are just another in a bunch of wannabe's
Just my 2 cents!
MaddMAx2u......I am not dumping on you just a little razzing!!!Look at what you wrote...I was just taking exception to them being another bunch of wannabe.'s...Which I believe they are not......My 2011 Vision just took a shot on resale by about $2000 if the new MSRP on the 2012 is correct...I should be the one upset as my bike is apparently worth less now and yours is worth more!!!! Sorry If I offended as it was not my intention......
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Pittsburgh, PA | i say if you need more room get a trunk rack?. that should close the gap a little close to the XC. im surely NOT going to buy a new bike to gain 12 more gallons of storage (to match the xc tour) id just get a trunk rack and close the gap a little closer. |
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Northeast Ohio | Chris, 12 gallons is almost 50% more internal storage space than we currently have. No trunk rack for me. I had a guy want to trade me even up for my virgin trunk lid for his with a rack as he didn't like the weight or the lack of real functionality. It's not like I am devastated, I was just very surprised in NO changes for their flagship product. I am going to head down the Bushtec path for more storage. |
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New York | If you look closely at the Victory webpage and click customization.. you will see that once you customize the Vision to compare closely to ours or last yrs model the price is around $23,500...
Maybe because the economy is bad they decided to strip down the Vision so more people could get on board with one.. who knows???? |
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Lindale, TX | I could list a number of things that seperate Victory from the competition. I'll just say the 106 V-Twin stands apart from the crowd as dependable, powerful, and low maintenance. My wife say's Victory has the cool factor also. |
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Orlando, FL | No problem opas~ I'm just so disappointed that Victory has given the Vision a back seat. It deserves better and is the bike of the future. At least with a few tweaks. And I think dropping the price is a mistake. We're over the worst of the economic slump now!! I really do think the Vision is on it's way out. Makes me want to put mine on blocks and save it for the auction 20 years from now. Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh. |
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Flowery Branch Ga | Just a thought. They dropped the 8Ball Vision due to the lack of sales. I think that the lack in sales could have come from the lack of a backrest for the Visions. Because of the lack of a low price Vision in the line up (8Ball) they chose to take off a few extras and make them options to lower the overall price of the Vision allowing more people to afford to get on a Vision. I wonder why the Vision would need a redisgn. It hasn't been around THAT long. It still stands out in a crowd (one of the reasons I bought my 8Ball). Personally, I am glad that the company has made the choices that it has in order to stay competitive and alive. Is it a "wannabe" company? I would say yes. Wannabe viable, profittable, innovative, and still in the game long after we are all dead and gone. JMHO.
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Bullhead City, AZ | THe VV was 10 years ahead of its time or HD was 20 years behind, either way the 08 design is good till 2018, I am just glad I get to drive this one till they try to improve it. Change and improvement is not always a good thing. Remember when Pontiac improved the Smokey and the Bandit Trans Am to the Kit Trans Am. I was at a dealer when the owner saw the first Kit in person. He looked like someone shot his mother. The bags work for me and although the trunk could use a better chrome job with the right bag it is fully functional. |
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| I love my Vision. My only beef is this. I've laid it down twice. Both time going between 5-10 mph and both times causing over $5000. in damage!!!! The biggest issue was damage to the sub-frame and scratched plastic. I don't know what is up with that but thank God I had full coverage on my bike or I wouldda be screwed. Victory's are great bikes but I'm yet to see a Harley sustain 5 grand in damage at 10 mph. |
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| Zeke, not to labor the issue, but what exactly happend to cause the bike to go down? Two up, alone, turning or what? I have had mine for about 3 months now, am 71 and have a fairly short inseam..Laid it down turning in some gravel/dirt at almost no speed as wheel was turned to far to left..I was stopped and just taking off with some other riders when it went down...No damage except small ding on rear tip-over, thank God , which I fixed...But it scared the hell out of me as I could not lift it back up by myself.....Just curious, thanks....... |
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Orlando, FL | wtwhitelaw - 2011-07-28 11:12 PM
Just a thought. They dropped the 8Ball Vision due to the lack of sales. I think that the lack in sales could have come from the lack of a backrest for the Visions. Because of the lack of a low price Vision in the line up (8Ball) they chose to take off a few extras and make them options to lower the overall price of the Vision allowing more people to afford to get on a Vision. I wonder why the Vision would need a redisgn. It hasn't been around THAT long. It still stands out in a crowd (one of the reasons I bought my 8Ball).
Wayne
Hey Wayne, I hear you, and you could be right. HD has enough volume to have the several variations of the same bike (from Road King to Ultra). I doubt Vic has the volume for that and based on the small size of the dealers here in FL I doubt the dealers could handle too many models. And that is why I think the Vision might be done with only another year or two of production left. The XC/CC have stolen the show and let's face it, it'a about sales. Gotta move the merchandise baby!! But hey, I got my 8 ball so screw 'em! LOL LOL LOL
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Litchfield Park, AZ | Madmaxx, I sure hope you come back to the board next year (and the year after that....) when Victory is still building the Vision. You are about poster number 150 in the past 3 years that thinks they will be discontinuing the Vision. Victory does not release sales numbers but talk to most dealers and you will find that the Vision is either their 2nd best seller behind the XC, or quite possibly their best depending on their demographics.
5 years to develop, $20M to design/engineer/test, all the molds and part designs have long since been paid for, they now share all structural/internal components with their best selling cross bikes, and their manufacturing line is capable of producing any bike at any moment in time.....sooooo, when the only cost incurred is pulling a part off the shelf, why would they obsolete this bike?
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| ScoreBo - 2011-07-28 6:14 PM
Chris, 12 gallons is almost 50% more internal storage space than we currently have. No trunk rack for me. I had a guy want to trade me even up for my virgin trunk lid for his with a rack as he didn't like the weight or the lack of real functionality. It's not like I am devastated, I was just very surprised in NO changes for their flagship product. I am going to head down the Bushtec path for more storage.
There was a major change for their flagship product. They changed the flagship to a Cross Country. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Owesdalton - 2011-07-29 4:28 PM
ScoreBo - 2011-07-28 6:14 PM
Chris, 12 gallons is almost 50% more internal storage space than we currently have. No trunk rack for me. I had a guy want to trade me even up for my virgin trunk lid for his with a rack as he didn't like the weight or the lack of real functionality. It's not like I am devastated, I was just very surprised in NO changes for their flagship product. I am going to head down the Bushtec path for more storage.
There was a major change for their flagship product. They changed the flagship to a Cross Country.
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New York State | Arkainzeye - 2011-07-28 6:38 PM
i say if you need more room get a trunk rack?. that should close the gap a little close to the XC. im surely NOT going to buy a new bike to gain 12 more gallons of storage (to match the xc tour) id just get a trunk rack and close the gap a little closer.
Just got the trunk rack Postal worker handed it to me I un wraped it and I have to say it is not impressive
The underside is unfinnished the upper almost polished looking. I know installed the underside will be obstructed but to finish both sides just seems to be a given to me. |
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Orlando, FL | phoenix9 - 2011-07-29 12:33 PM
5 years to develop, $20M to design/engineer/test, all the molds and part designs have long since been paid for, they now share all structural/internal components with their best selling cross bikes, and their manufacturing line is capable of producing any bike at any moment in time.....sooooo, when the only cost incurred is pulling a part off the shelf, why would they obsolete this bike?
That argument makes no sense at all. Just because they have paid for the RD and the tooling doesn't make it viable to keep. Ask any car co. Same Same. It's about sales. Sales makes the cash flow go round baby. And it's all about cash flow. The XC is doing what they hoped the Vision would do and couldn't. People wanted the traditional bike styling. I would be willing to bet that for the last 2 years sales of Visions have trailed off while the XC has taken off in a parabolic rise. I think there is a very good possibility the Vision may go the way of the Tucker (a car WAY ahead of it's time!) JMHO |
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Litchfield Park, AZ | Maddmax, your statement makes sense if the Vision is not selling, but as I said before, ask any dealer and you will find that the Vision is the #2 best selling bike that Victory makes. Do they obsolete the Vegas, and the Kingpin, and the Hammer, and the Jackpot, and the Cross Roads as well?
My previous post makes perfect sense when you are discussing a manufacturer's #2 best selling bike. I find it interesting that H-D has room for 5 different touring options (RK, SG, RG, EG, UCEG), but Victory should not offer 2 options in the XC and Vision. Even Yamaha and Kawasaki have more touring options than Victory.
Not a lot of car companies that would be interested in doing away with their number 2 best selling model....especially when it shares that exact same platform as their #1 best selling model.
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| The #2 selling bike in there lineup??????where did you get thoses numbers? I would be impressed if it was in the top 5. |
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Cabot Arkansas | My local dealer sell's more CC's followed CLOSELY by vision's, than all the other bikes combined.He said several people have come in to buy a CC and then after riding them and the Vision bought the Vision.The price difference between the CC and the Vision had been the deciding factor in a few of his sales,now that the Vision cost less than the CC Tour he actually expects Vision sales to increase at least for the people wanting a full touring version.Time will tell but I don't think the Vision is going anywhere but up. |
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Orlando, FL | mgoblue - 2011-07-30 12:23 AM
The #2 selling bike in there lineup??????where did you get thoses numbers? I would be impressed if it was in the top 5.
Thanks for the support. Everyone is posting heresay and conjucture. Including me. WHo care's what your dealer says unless he is willing to share national sales numbers. Well, my dealer said this, my dealer said that. Nanny nanny boo boo. Come on, we need facts. Someone on this board must be privy to sales numbers. Or at least precent of sales for the bikes Vic sells. Anyone?? |
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New York State | I purchased one 2008 Victory Vision Tour Premium in black in September 2008.
I have made no further purchases of motorcycles off of Victory.
Theres the real problem once you buy one you don't need another one.
Unlike a brand X purchase usually generates a sale for Ford's truck division
Edited by Trekwolf164 2011-07-30 7:58 AM
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Litchfield Park, AZ | Yeah, that guy willing to share the Victory sales numbers is located just down the hall, right next to the leprechaun and the pot of gold.... |
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New Bohemia, Va | I love these discussions where everybody's right, and everybody's wrong - all good guesses. Like any marketing to sell products it is for the bottomline. Many understand for a sustainable bottomline you've got to hit that market niche that produces the best curve of supply and demand. Victory has got that right now with dependability and style that is primarily different than the other guys. But different doesn't always make the grade, and the small, and do mean the very small sect of those of us who follow Victory will not sustain the long haul if the big majority wants nostalgia and tradition - simple, very simple fact. The best we can hope for that Victory will still whit our whistle for our desire of what we want. Frankly, if Harley could have made a bike that rode like a Vision, I'd have a closet full of HD crap as long as the bike would be as dependable as the Victory. But, frankly, they may get close to making their bikes better riding, but they won't get the other things down to a T like Victory. Now, with all that said, watch the Indians under polaris, they'll take the timeless tradition of the this old brand and bring in the dependablity and ride of Victory, and there will be a winning combo that will shake, really shake Harleys foundation. Maybe it won't topple it, but it will cause HD to rethink how they do business. |
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Lumber Bridge, NC United States | very well said, Capt. |
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Just another Bike Company