For those of us that carry concealed warm weather has always brought the problem of finding something 'concealing' yet cool and comfortable.

I found a solution that I like very much, so I thought I would pass it on for those interested.

http://cgi.ebay.com/LEATHER-PISTOL-GUN-WAIST-BELT-PACK-NAA-GUARDIAN-/260775899505?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb7747171

I always wear a heavy belt anyway, so I don't use the supplied web belt. I just thread my belt through the belt loops. I find it concealing, comfortable, and fast. It also gives me a place for my cellphone.

I should add: If you click into the store they have custom fits for many pieces.

kris1956 - 2011-07-24 6:28 PM What do you carry? The pouches look a bit small?

As I said in my post, they sizes for most everything. The one I have is for my XD sub-compact 40S/W. I keep my 'Judge' at home for home defense. I have a Cobra 32 derringer I can slid in my pocket for those infrequent 'dress up' occasions. 

kris1956 - 2011-07-24 7:02 PM Thanks, I looked but didn't see anything.

Ya, the link just goes to the size I bought. To see the others you have to go to the top right section of the page and click into the seller's store.

mleiten - 2011-07-24 11:09 PM Glighto, Thanks for the info. Not sure why some on the forum just cannot accept a helpful tip. Myself, my lcp .380 actually fits in the back pocket without my even noticing it's there. Bought the new LC9 and do not carry it. Sticks out of my pocket to far. I know a .380 is not the biggest, but as for me, I do not want to be shot with ANY gun. Just need to buy some time to get mo old rear end out of harms way.

With you 100%

Although I've had a permit for over 40 years, I have only actively carried for the past couple.

Too many news stories like the birthday party at the roller rink in Texas where 5 were killed. Just too many occurrences of one nut case taking out hands full of people. A person wouldn't need to be a 'quick-draw-McGraw' to possibly have saved 1 or 2 people out of the 5.

Personally, I would not sleep well if I were a survivor from the Pharmacy shooting that left the teenage clerk and a few others dead, and didn't bother to carry that day.

To answer someone another poster, I haven't shot anyone while out for a ride. And I hope I am never faced with a situation that may require that action. But if ever faced with that situation I pray that I could make a difference.

sgiacci - 2011-07-28 8:13 PM I'm not going to get into a debate about why or what I should carry, but I do. I "choose" to carry a NAA .22 Magnum Mini-Revolver with a modified grip that has a very simple pants/belt clip. It is so light I can carry it in my shorts, and not know it is there.

 Interesting. To us Canadians, we always wonder what 'life would be like' if you ever used something like this on anything other than a wounded animal on the side of the road?

Personally, I would worry about what would happen if my 'lady' found something teeny like that in my shorts ....

I would prefer to shoot with something a little bigger.

OK, so it's a mini-gun. Powerful hammer though.  Could just be it works like a jackhammer; you never know.

Besides, anyone hit with a .22 bullet will only have surgical removal in mind.

Just sayin'

WB

glighto11 - 2011-07-29 8:39 AM Don't make the mistake of comparing a 22 mag with a 22 LR you shot as a kid. You do not want to be on the wrong end of a 22 mag HP. It WILL wreck your day. Size isn't always everything. I have a 17 cal rifle that I use to 'clean up the yard'. It will turn 20 pound ground hog inside out.

+1 

Don't forget, a .223 Remington or the 5.56 x 45 military version fires 55 grain bullets out of a 20 inch rifle barrel at a muzzle velocity of between 2900 and 3100 fps, the .22 magnum round with a 40 grain bullet (newer polymer tip bullets are now available in factory loads) will reach 2000 fps out of the same 20 inch rifle barrel with much less recoil and report.  Since most encounters where you have to use a pistol to defend yourself are less than 20 feet and with the newer factory loads performance a .22 WMR pistol makes a nice compact and accurate self defense pistol.  If you looking for a semi-auto full size carry and absolutely have to have the most rounds available there is the new Kel-Tec PMR-30 which has a 30 round capacity in a single magazine, here is a picture of one from Kel-Tec's website:

Concours_Dropout - 2011-07-30 8:52 AM I am new to the forum....On the fence between a Triumph Rocket III Tourer and a Cross Country so while perusing the sight I ran in to this.... I live in rural Georgia but the job takes me into Atlanta on a daily basis.... When it does you will find a Colt Delta Elite under my left shoulder and 3 spare clips under my right shoulder.... The CC permit in my wallet and a Remington 870 in the trunk of the car. (afterall, the sole function of a handgun IS to fight ones way back to their SHOTGUN.) I will not comment directly to the "subjects" of the British Crowne that have had their ownership rights removed by a goverment that does not trust its subject enough to allow private ownership...Other then to say: Better you then me. At any given time the Atlanta PD average a 5 minute responce time to a 911 call and I am not willing to wait that long. I am my own first responder too. See ya'll out on the road!

 I also carry a Gold Cup Elite, nice to hear from someone else that owns one too.

And it only takes 1 of those crappy 30 RIMFIRE rounds to not fire and render this thing useless. Keltech is roachy (but fun) to begin with and rimfire in a CCW is a bad idea. I have Kel-tec's and I have owned this specific model. This is a plinking gun at best and it's not really good in that respect either as it keyholes badly, even after the barrel was recalled and replaced. Heck, my pot metal High Point carbine functioned better that the PMR-30. .22WM is formidable varmint round in the right hands.

I'm keeping my Vaquero pistol and Savage .22WM for this reason. "Gopher getter's". I live in the country side, so I have no qualms shooting a vamint within my legal limits.

I was only $450 into mine when I figured out that the PMR-30 was not all I hoped it would be. And fortunately, the rednecks love this cheap .22 mag, so it was a quick flip back on the consignment market in Central Kansas. I got every dime back out of it because they are still not saturated in this area.

Just some thoughts:

Adequate training for mouse gun self defense involves making contact shots directly into vital areas. A semi-auto that depends on a slide to place a bullet into battery to fire is often rendered useless in a contact fire situation. Pressure from soft tissue and clothing on the slide takes the round out of battery unless you have an extended barrel. Just like all rimfire slide actions, the PMR-30 has a light recoil spring to allow the gun to cycle with the light recoil.

At over twice the cost, my Wife's FN Five Seven is easily 4 times the value and a reliable high capacity pistol. Our Ruger SR9c and SR940's are in this price range with realistic effectiveness and reliability. 11+ 17 rounds should be adequate. So are Glock 17's, 19's and 26's with full size magazines, etc, etc. Unlike Clint Eastwood's characters, real civilians bring about 3/8 of an inch (or 9.5mm) of usefulness to an extended gunfight anyway.

Plinking pistols are not made to be home defense weapons and certainly not made to be used as concealed carry weapons. I really don't care what the computer commando's on youtube are selling. I have at least a 1/2 dozen rimfire pistols in the safe, including .22mag and they sure as hell aren't going into my carry rig. Not even as back up guns. They are simply training analogs and plinkers.

Shame on anyone who carries a semi-auto without a spare mag or 2. Most semi-auto stoppages are either mag related or operator error to begin with. This is one of the first things a reputable training institution teaches it's students. Training and competence are paramount. Carrying without competency (not talking about the minimum required classroom time to get your permit box checked) is worse than being defenseless. It makes everyone in the vicinity a markedly higher statistic for negligent discharge and collateral victims. Shooting at a defenseless paper target to meet your minimum permit requirements or playing on the range is not competency. There are plenty of "free alternatives" including practicing drawing and dry firing with an imaginary threat (but once again, not with a rim-fire, because dry firing most rim-fires destroys the firing pin and breech).  Figure out how to get off the "X mark" when you draw.  This is very important stuff that you can teach yourself in no time.  Make proper drawing of your CCW practice part of your holstering regimen in the mornings/before shift until it is ingrained into muscle memory.  

These rimfire tactics with head shots and "blah-blah-blah" are wishful thinking in an adrenaline charged, 3-seconds-to-live situation. There is a reason why center mass is thought by all reputable law enforcement, military and security training institutions. This is one of the few situations where a fatality involving a firearm is not going to end with you in prison. 21" feet and closing with an ARMED assailant is what the FBI determined would be the maximum distance that juries are likely to find justifiable with deadly force. 25+ rounds pumped into a dead body is a good way to get you in prison right beside Jerome Ersland. :-(  

Shooting after the perceived danger has stopped is a great way to find yourself being awarded with a life sentence. Shoot to "stop", not to "kill". One is self-defense, the latter is murder. Perception of the first responder, all the way to the jury IS the bottom line. It doesn't matter what ethical law doctrine states in between. Hanging out at a the scene with a corpse leaves a lot more to question than stopping the threat and getting to safety does. This is the age of technology and "leaving not witnesses" is nearly impossible. A slip of the tongue due to the cowboy mentality of "killing the crook" is just as powerful as a condemning photograph in the right Prosecutor's arsenal. :-(

As a matter of personal preference, a cheap , light 38 spcl revolver (that hasn't been "modded" on someone's kitchen table) is easy enough to carry, deploy and handle. These make great "riding" pistols too, unless they are stuck in some cubby or crammed deep into a pocket that they are useless to deploy without a simple swipe of the hand.   This is part of my alternate carry rig when I want drop some of the extras from my belt for Summer carry.  

"Concealed is concealed"
"Don't be a helper".

Dang, I can't believe I gut sucked out of retirement.