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San Antonio, TX | Victory's 2012 models are on the way to Nashville, TN, for the big reveal on the evening of July 26.
Be sure to check back on Wednesday, July 27 and see what's new!
The email said to go to the Victory Facebook page at the link below.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=357084959954&set=pu.12503410...
This is a very special truck. In it are the new 2012 Victory Motorcycles that are on their way to Nashville for the annual Victory dealer meeting. Stay tuned...the new models will be launched on July 26th!
Find this truck!!!!
Who is going to see them?????
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Ruskin, Fl | Beat me to it. I just read the e-mail. |
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Memphis | Hmmmm, I'm off on Tuesday/Wednesday and it's 2 1/2 hours away. I'll call my dealer tomorrow and see if I can crash the party. |
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San Antonio, TX | SongFan - 2011-07-22 5:51 PM
Hmmmm, I'm off on Tuesday/Wednesday?and it's 2 1/2 hours away.? I'll call my dealer tomorrow and see if I can crash the party.
The Victory Marketing Department should let you in just for your ability to sum up Victory Ownership in a single phrase with a photo. Your posters have been spot on....and continue to be a fine addition to this site.
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Okeefenokee Swamp | I wonder what time tonight we can see the New Victory's. I am like a kid at Christmas. Even though I am not getting a new ride,I can look through the windo and drea. |
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| Kornbread - 2011-07-26 3:46 PM
I wonder what time tonight we can see the New Victory's. I am like a kid at Christmas. Even though I am not getting a new ride,I can look through the windo and drea.
9:30 central time... it's on that FB site. |
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Northeast Ohio | It's actually 8:30 Central / 9:30 Eastern - From a post on their Facebook page - Everyone: The new bikes will be released at around 8:30pm CST tonight when the new site is scheduled to go live. Stay tuned, and do your best to get some work done today while you wait. |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Notice the lowers on the CC in the photo from the Polaris site..
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | A peek...
Notice that the CR Classic comes with white stiched seat, paint similar to the Highball, and lace wheels.
The Vision sports a new 2 tone bronze paint.
The Ness stylings for the Vision and CrossCountry are pretty wild.
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New Bohemia, Va | http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/victory/2012-victory-cross-c...
hype on the Cross Country Tour, not much sizzle on the Vision. |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | New site is up. |
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New Bohemia, Va | Fate of the Vision. Well, with two years running with the emphasis on the Cross Country, and now the Cross Country Tour, with even Victory saying it is the best in its class, more storage and more weather protection puts the handwritting on the wall. Not trying to sound negative, just seeing things as it is, the Vision will go down as the bike ahead of it's time. Give it just another year or so, that I really don't want it to be so, seriously.
Don't see the Vision 8-Ball either.
Edited by Cap'n Nemo 2011-07-26 9:48 PM
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New Mexico | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-07-26 8:45 PM
Fate of the Vision. Well, with two years running with the emphasis on the Cross Country, and now the Cross Country Tour, with even Victory saying it is the best in its class, more storage and more weather protection puts the handwritting on the wall. Not trying to sound negative, just seeing things as it is, the Vision will go down as the bike ahead of it's time. Give it just another year or so, that I really don't want it to be so, seriously.
Say it aint so, Joe...
41 gal of storage to our 29? That's impressive. But no power windshield. And I'm just not a 'bat wing' fan.
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Denver, Iowa | ...
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Iron Butt
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Tri Cities, WA | Hmm alot to choose from now. I'm sure Victory marketing pushed for this to happen. I'm sure they listen to alot of folks and pulled all the data on what most folks wanted so here it is. I like many others was hoping for a new vision but not this year and who know the fate of the vision from this year on. I really like the ness vision, just wish it came with the creature comforts as the rest of them. |
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New Bohemia, Va | I'm watching this, and I feel Victory is rock solid on the approach to motorcycles. They are not a kid any more and the Vision helped them get noticed. I've talked to reps close to the mothership and others who have had an edge on the inside and they all consistantly say the same thing - The Vision is what it is, don't expect any changes. Polaris put a whole lot into the Vision, banking on Victory to market it. From my opinion, and mine alone, the Vision is way ahead of it's time. MOST buyers that would fit the mold, income, age bracket, desires, wants to stay with the retro look. Something they've ALWAYS wanted in a bike. That is what keeps the Indian coming back also, most folks want the "good old days" in a motorcycle and the Vision is not from the good old days. I think that is why the focus has shifted in the past two years on the Cross Country and they are making headway with that and they have made it the Victory Flagship - top dollar bike and moved the Vision down a notch.
Sorry, I love the Vision more than any of you and have wished it the utmost sucess that it is very well capable of. But the test has brought it to the few who live and die by the Vision, but there will not be enough to keep 'er alive on the line. For those who never came over and drank the Vision Kool-aide, you got what you want with the Cross Country Tour, now go play.
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Troy, NY | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-07-26 10:45 PM
Fate of the Vision. Well, with two years running with the emphasis on the Cross Country, and now the Cross Country Tour, with even Victory saying it is the best in its class, more storage and more weather protection puts the handwritting on the wall. Not trying to sound negative, just seeing things as it is, the Vision will go down as the bike ahead of it's time. Give it just another year or so, that I really don't want it to be so, seriously.
Don't see the Vision 8-Ball either.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw the new website. If it does go, it will keep the uniqueness for the riders ahead of our time!!! |
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | I really really like the Vision, but I think they hit it out of the park (yet again) with the XC Tour. |
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Extreme Southern, AZ United States | Well at least they are proving the Harley riders right. The XC's look like Harleys. |
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New Bohemia, Va | I want to finish on a positive note tonight, they have some nice color schemes this year with the Vision, I really like the Blue and would roll with one if my '08 wasn't running so well. Also, it sounds like they've moved it lower also, I don't know if that is suspension, seat or both, I'll have to look into it more. I hope to test ride one soon and see what I will be getting in a few years. With the lower price, maybe they'll move some more, but then they'd be every where. But there will never be another Vision like the Classic Vision.
Edited by Cap'n Nemo 2011-07-26 11:01 PM
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | The TOUR is disappointing to me, it says 'Hey! Me TOO!' someone @ POLARIS Design Dept. spent too many Winter nights looking @ H-D ULTRAS or later model VENTURES,
'and we could use their lower side cubbies, and the fairing could attach right to the front fork.. and' You could get very wet in a sudden storm(or getting stuck behind a logging truck on wet roads) with that huge venturi between the tops of your knees and the middle of your rib cage. I don't care for the fairing/windshield being attached to the forks, obviously whoever thought that up never got caught in a 45 degree crosswind and had to learn how to sail on pavement to fight the windshield, usually for a couple of very tiring hours, or get 'gusted' by a huge semis wake. The fixed windshield is another 'points off', I'll just keep SYNSTR until I'm too old and feeble to hold her up @ a light thank you-If the designers were trying to make the bike more H-D friendly and less noticeable, why didn't they just buy and re-badge H-D's or name the series the 'ME TOOS"?
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | YAH-HOO ! I have said this a dozen times on this forum in the past 3+ years. STOP making the Vision !!!!
Because - I own the most beautiful bike EVER made - and I don't want to be just "one of the millions" who own one. I want to be "one of the fortunate few".
AND - I love it when some of you 'customize' your Vision - because it makes my STOCK Vision look better. Keep it up !!!!
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Akron Ohio area | double post, sorry
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Akron Ohio area | New Vision $2,200 cheaper than last year.
Only thing I can find different is the lack of front chrome tip-overs and maybe the elimination of the HID headlight. |
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Iron Butt
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North Orange County CA | If these "core" based bikes are all the same under the skin, why is it that the XC tour has a 54 lb lower GVWR (1360 lb vs 1414 lb) than the Vision?
The XC Tour also starts off 45 lbs heavier; which translates to an 100 lb carrying capacity deficit for the XC Tour despite the fact that it has larger saddlebags , which sort of defeats the purpose of the larger bags if you ask me.
I also have to agree with Synstr , I cant imagine ever going back to a handle bar mounted fairing or living without an adjustable electric windshield.
I don't really care if the Vision loses the most expensive slot in the Vic lineup; if my ego was tied up in the price tag then there have always been dozens of more expensive options. If you want to spend more money for less bike, who am I to argue with your choice?
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Chandler, AZ | Hmmm.......couple of interesting changes, but at least nothing (a Cross/Vision) to tempt me to spend more $$ for a '12 model. Disappointing to me to see the Vision 8-Ball dropped, also the Kingpin 8-Ball. And, guess I will reserve judgment on the XC Tour "lowers" until I see them in person, but.......looking at them in the pix on the website can't say I'm too impressed. The Ness smoked lowers I put on do a nice job and look a whole lot better IMO.
Understand the reaction and comments from you die-hard Vision fans though. I'd still like to find a good deal on a '11 Vision 8-Ball to go with my XC. |
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Orlando, FL | Good thoughts from everyone. And as an VV8 owner I am disappointed in the lack of an 8 Ball or a Street model. But I am not totally surprised. The XC/CC brought over the crowd that will never buy the Vision. (I have yet to have anyone say they did not love my ride!!) And I am very disappointed that no improvements were made in the Vision. No relocation of the oil cooler. No lower vents to cool my legs, etc. etc.
Those things tell the story. They scream the message. Victory is DONE with the Vision. It will be gone in just a couple of years. And yet I think they missed with the XC Tour. Now they are just another bike maker trying to compete with HD legacy. And no one, NO ONE has been able to de-throne HD. I don't think anyone ever will. If I wanted a traditional bagger I would either buy HD or a Jap bike, as the Jap bike's are even better than Vic's. Smoother engine's, smoother and quieter tranny's, etc.
I agree with SYNSTR's comments and I often get the feeling that no one really rides much at Victory! They seem to miss the most obvious gaffe's, as if the person designing the machine has no basic understanding of real motorcycling from a real rider's viewpoint, but rather they design from the view of someone that never rides or maybe rides twice a year to bike week. Hence, the hot oil cooler on the Vision, no lower vents, etc. etc.
And the fork based fairing? Are you kidding me? That's what brought the Road Glide Tour back to HD after being away for many years. People who started to really tour wanted the fixed frame fairing. And from what I see it's flying off the shelves.
My 8 Ball is gloating and pleased as punch that he will now be one of a very, very few in the crowd. And yet there is a tear in the headlight as he knows his breed's days are an endangered species. And I seem to hear a bugle playing taps in his speakers!!
Part of me wants to put my bike on blocks and save it for a day when it will be like that rare, sporty Bently that sells for 500,000 at auction. Nah, I'm going to continue ride like the wind and have a blast!! So far just over 3 months of riding time and 4400 miles. Ride on baby, ride on!
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Simpsonville, SC | I'll go out on a limb here... the Vision will be the most collectible Victory ever made. |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | C'mon boys, Victory hasn't let you down. The Vision is still here, stop talking like its dead/dying. They put so much time & money into its development that it will be around for awhile.
What I see is a resource issue. Polaris has taken on a lot with the Indian acquisition, early Highball release, and moving people/facilities. I think this is an "interim" year and what you are seeing is that they are focusing their resources on things you don't see, like maybe a new landmark offering in 2013. It took several "interim" years to come out with the Vision in which Victory changed colors and window dressing of existing models, then, after the Vision, is took several "interim" years to come out with the CC & XC. I say, prepare to be surprised next year and be thankful Victory has done so well in such a down economy.
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New Orleans, La, | What I see in the new line up is the Victory thinned and combined some of the herd. My VV08 premium sold for 21,499.00 MSRP and the new starting price for the 2012 VV is 20,999.00. Now mind you for that price you get a model that is a cross between the 8ball and the 08 basic VV with alot of the add ons that buyers of those models added any way either at purchase or shortly thereafter. Also Honda, BMW, and Harley for several model years didn"t make any changes in their big bike other than color and equiptment packaging options. Heck for 2012 GW owners thought they would finally get a power windshield which didn't hapen and no GW faithful are singing the demise of "The Wing". I think Polaris/Victory made a smart move to eliminate duplicate models, eliminate th "Street" VV's cause you can easily make one from a tour, and juggle the prices to reflect the new choices. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Hope you're right Jeff. |
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| The Vision won't be going away anytime soon! I'll bet that they're coming out with a new model and a new bag design and that's why they dropped the price! New style will cost alot more. Just my guess Blister |
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Iron Butt
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| Not impressed with the 2012 changes. But the again
Why mess with perfection |
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Tucson, AZ | I have to agree with the opinion that the Vision is going the way of the Gold Wing. Victory dumped a lot of $$ in r&d on Vision and I'm sure will make hay while the sun shines. The 1800 Gold Wing has been basically the same bike since 2001. |
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New Bohemia, Va | it's not the lack of redesign for the Vision that cocerns me, it is the lack of promotion. It is clear that Victory is saying that the XCT is the apple of their eye and the reigning queen and the Vision is the knave of hearts who stole the tarts... You know what comes next... |
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CARTAGENA Spain | Very poorly made victory with his vision is a disappointment, instead of lowering prices is what they should do like the goldwing, ie the price up somewhat as it is a motorcycle only have to introduce more technical improvements such as electronically controlled damping rear, BMW etc type adaptive headlights. For though there is a crisis at a global level com HD Goldwing not lower prices or technology edge of their bikes. A greeting and this is just my opinion, you think you. |
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Danbury, Connecticut | Does anyone know if they publish unit sales of each specific model? Curious where their profit comes from. I'd have liked to see a hybrid with front of a Vision with the rear of the XC instead of the XC Tour but they have to justify it by sales/profit, especially in this economic situation. |
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Visionary
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| Victory is going to put there effort into that Indian that only five guys out of a thousand want. Indian is a dead horse and they should of "never" bought it.
What is with the lowers on that X bike? Did a cardboard box blow up there and get stuck on.
Hell harley did more up grades to there baggers then Vic did, I would of though Vic would have done something to there bikes to raise the bar higher for the other bikes to catch us. I love my vision but do not see any reason to buy a new one. Maybe the Ness vision great paint but thats it.
Vic could of done a half a dozen things to the vision to make it stand taller in the motorcycle world.
Victory you let us down and you all should give up your jobs and go work for willy old school designer. |
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | I've determined after reading all the posts of unhappy current VISION owners (myself included on pg. 1 of this post) over the Jr. High school redesigns on the '12 models, hang onto your current VISIONS!!! In a few years I believe they will be the 'baby birds' and 'Hemi 'Cudas' that collectors will hunger after.
Let the '12's go, sales receipts will eventually show the bean massagers and coin stackers that this design cycle has jumped the shark, and like the last couple of FIREBIRDS and few will buy them, and the cartoonists will have to return to the drawing board to try and erase their mistakes.
I was reading a 1964 issue of HOT ROD I found in a box last night, there was a full page ad for H-D, and I couldn't see a single thing different between that 47 year old Milwaukee middle buster and a new one. |
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Iron Butt
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New York State | I'm happy that Vision has used the same body panels and motors for years. I ride and sometimes stop suddenly in pieces. As long as there is a pool of parts I will have Deer Crusher or another Vision as my daily rider.
If the 2008 or 09's were the last year they would have been collector's items. But there is enough that Vision Riders could become multi-generational. Look at old Indians they have been dead for Tens of years yet there are some that still look show room I get a hard on everytime I spot one on the road |
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Orlando, FL | john frey - 2011-07-27 2:06 PM
Victory is going to put there effort into that Indian that only five guys out of a thousand want. Indian is a dead horse and they should of "never" bought it.
What is with the lowers on that X bike? Did a cardboard box blow up there and get stuck on.
Hell harley did more up grades to there baggers then Vic did, I would of though Vic would have done something to there bikes to raise the bar higher for the other bikes to catch us. I love my vision but do not see any reason to buy a new one. Maybe the Ness vision great paint but thats it.
Vic could of done a half a dozen things to the vision to make it stand taller in the motorcycle world.
Victory you let us down and you all should give up your jobs and go work for willy old school designer.
+1+1
Especially the comment about the lowers on the new X bike. That was good for a laugh and I could not agree more. I can only assume they look better in person. But on the pics? Butt ugly! |
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New Mexico | Fuel It trailer arrived in Albuquerque today! Rode the Cross Country Tour and Highball. Maybe the Vegas tomorrow.
The Cross Country Tour is a nice bike. Handles well. Good stopping power. I really missed the electric windshield and even at 6'1" I had to look through the shield as it was too high to look over (think I had the highest of 3 windshield options). And not as comfortable for me. I felt a little hunched over, and seat didn't fit my butt as well (although a friend thought the seat was more comfortable). Overall, I liked the look and storage, and would say it is a great bike with lots of power, but I am happy to stick with the Vision.
As for the Highball - What a fun bike! I drove one that was a little hopped-up (straight pipes, dyno tuned, etc), and man, that baby flew! Comfortable, nimble, quick, powerful, LOUD. I felt like I had attached handlebars and straight pipes to a cloud - It was so smoooooth, with nothing between me and the motorcycle experience. Acceleration was so quick at times I had to hang on for dear life, grinning ear to ear, fully exposed to the wind. I really, really enjoyed it. It obviously could never replace the Vision; that's not it's purpose. Day trips, 2-3hr rides, bar hopping. This is the bike to have sitting next to the Vision for those quick fun trips.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | I have been saying for a couple of years - in other posts - and now in this one - that I hope Victory stops making Visions. I really do...
Why? - because I own the best, most beautiful bike ever made - by ANYONE - but the more they make, the less value it has.
Let's not turn it into a Volkswagon - you know - 30+ years of improvements. Let's keep it as the first bike this century - that looks like it belongs in the 21st century - not the 19th. And those of us fortunate enough to have one - we're SPECIAL PEOPLE !
DOWN WITH THE VISION ! - that should be our cry to Victory. MAKE SOMETHING NEW AND BETTER ! - and that ....
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