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Puddle Jumper
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| Well it finally happened... my Vision broke... The rear wheel bearing are making a growling noise... I'm not sure of the size yet but I want to replace them with good quality ones... I know sometime the OEM replacement parts are good but not great... Anyone out there know the size of the rear wheel bearings? I'll have the wheel pulled on Monday... just wanted to be a step ahead....
PS.. Wheel bearings growling at 70mph will raise the hair on the back of your neck..... Not to mention a pucker!!!! |
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | Take the bearings to the bearing sales business (bearing house) or a big, reputible parts store, they can 'read' the dimensions of the bearings from the coding etched into the inner race, and ask for the very top quality bearings they carry like SKF or Timkin not cheap Chinese made ones. |
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Cruiser
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Davenport, IA | Odi, just curious, how many miles do you have on your bike? |
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Central Wisconsin | + 1 on Timken and SKF. I replaced the steering head bearings with Timken bearings in my other bike and replaced the wheel bearings with SKF bearings. 
This is a handy tool for wheel bearing replacement.
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | Thomas,
That's a beauty! Who makes it? |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | Odie - 2011-06-04 9:18 PM
Well it finally happened... my Vision broke... The rear wheel bearing are making a growling noise... I'm not sure of the size yet but I want to replace them with good quality ones... I know sometime the OEM replacement parts are good but not great... Anyone out there know the size of the rear wheel bearings? I'll have the wheel pulled on Monday... just wanted to be a step ahead....
PS.. Wheel bearings growling at 70mph will raise the hair on the back of your neck..... Not to mention a pucker!!!!
I had it all figured out at one time but can't find my note. The bearings, spacer and seals are all common parts but the cross-reference from Polaris is almost impossible. You'll also pay about tripple for the polaris as you would for the cross-reference ones. I need to look them up again, and I think I started from theVMC.com website to confirm.
I'm curious, is it a continual growl, or is it a lean growl? Also, how do you know for sure it is the wheelbearing and not something else? Pull your wheel and inspect the bearing with your finger to see if there is any play. I'm rollin' 93,500 miles on my originals and unbelievably they are tight and spin with the finger with no problems after all this time. I want to replace them at the 100,000 shakedown this fall just to freshen up.
But folks complain of growls with the belt, and also the E3 will growl in a turn. You know what you got, I'm just asking to know what to look out for. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I wnat to put Timken bearings in, and your right the Vic bearings and seals are $127... Ouch, and probally made in China... So I will get them downtown.. I was doing 70 2 up with the trailer and heard a loud noise, the growl.... it was only for a second then went away... a few seconds later then back again... then the bike did a dance like I ran over a road seam, but the road was smooth... more noise, and a few more dances... I pulled over to check it out... the belt was super tight, I know before I left on my trip it was good... Next exit was 100yrds down so I moved the bike found some shade to work under... Then the belt was loose... I thought maybe it was thew axle loose... Pulled out the tool bag and it was tight... Layed the bike over on the tip overs and wiggled the rear... Felt loose but could not tell... So called and got a Rental trucK (got lucky 3 miles away) loaded it and went home...
I put the bike on the lift and the rear has play... bearings are gone...
The bike has 24800 miles on it, I was riding home from vacation in Gatlinburg.... maybe too much Dragon riding... |
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Tourer
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Indianapolis, IN | I'm guessing at this point that odie's failure is a fluke. I know there are dozens of vic owners on here with many more mile than the 24k he mentioned above. I'm getting near to 24 so I'm just curious if anyone else has had to replace bearings this early? |
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Visionary
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| I used to work for a bearing store and believe me they can match any thing. Bring the old one in tell them what its for and if you have the money German bearings are the best but very spendy.
Back about ten years ago I heard harley told Timken how to run there bearing company. Timken told them go by your bearings ells where and has never sold to them. Now they use a Canada bearing. |
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Central Wisconsin | SYNSTR - 2011-06-05 7:21 AM Thomas, That's a beauty! Who makes it? I bought the wheel bearing remover set from Pit Posse . |
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Tourer
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San Antonio, TX United States | Can i ask why your not making Victory replace those bearing and inspect the bike from end to end with such low mileage? I know if i was in the shop, all my customers would be trying to make us eat the bill on the towing and replace those bearing and probably even the belt since it very well could be damaged from the sudden jerk and being pulled so tight.
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Puddle Jumper
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| I do have an extended warranty, but I dont think they cover wheelbearings... My dealer treats me real good.. I them and told them what happened and got a price on the bearings, they never said bring it in its covered.. But I would rather put the best bearings I can in the bike... I have a drive on lift and all the tools, wrenching is easy for me..... I'll have it back together by Tuesday ready to ride.... Progressive Insurance told me they would cover the cost of the rental truck.... So I cant complain about that... I sure the belt is fine, I really didnt ride very far after the noise... I should have it taken apart tonight... I post if I find anything crazy wrong.... |
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | Sounds like grease under the nails time to me!! Good luck, keep us posted on howgozit- |
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Visionary
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Jasper, MO | Odie - 2011-06-04 9:18 PM
Anyone out there know the size of the rear wheel bearings?
I've not had to replace the bearings on my Vision yet, but I have done so on my Sport Cruiser. If the bearings are the same, and I thought I read somewhere they are (a call to the dealer may be in order to verify) they are 204 size bearings. That is a very common industrial bearing that is available at about any parts store. I got mine at a local tractor supply store for about $8 each, but that was a couple of years ago.
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | It's astounding how much things interchange. Years ago the fan thermal switch on my VENTURE ROYALE took a dump. The parts bandits @ the Yammer dealer quoted $84.00 and 6 weeks, I had the P/N from the maintenance Manual so on the way home on a whim I swung into the local Auto Parts store I dealt with. The switch crossed with one for a MAZDA 323, it was on the shelf, and it was $15.00! back on the road 10 minutes after getting home.
Has anyone else noticed that if you go to the counter @ the bike store and ask for, say a quart of oil the comeback is always 'about 6 weeks from the supplier'?
A friend always said he was goijng to throw his gun in the river and open a motocycle parts store and rob people legally. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | SYNSTR - 2011-06-05 4:37 PM
It's astounding how much things interchange. Years ago the fan thermal switch on my VENTURE ROYALE took a dump. The parts bandits @ the Yammer dealer quoted $84.00 and 6 weeks, I had the P/N from the maintenance Manual so on the way home on a whim I swung into the local Auto Parts store I dealt with. The switch crossed with one for a MAZDA 323, it was on the shelf, and it was $15.00! back on the road 10 minutes after getting home.
Has anyone else noticed that if you go to the counter @ the bike store and ask for, say a quart of oil the comeback is always 'about 6 weeks from the supplier'?
A friend always said he was goijng to throw his gun in the river and open a motocycle parts store and rob people legally.
Don't get me started - I find it refreshing to know a little and get what you want from some place other than a motorcycle stealer.... |
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Tourer
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Indianapolis, IN | Back in the day long ago everything made had a long line of engineers and designers making every part "special" for everything they sold. Then suddenly the collective light came on and they all realized its easier and just as reliable to use parts already designed by people who are experts at those parts. And then they realized its soooooo much cheaper if you don't "re-invent the wheel" over and over. Welcome to the world of standardized parts. ;-)
Oh, but the stealers aren't going to tell this. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I had the same experience last year on the way home from the Grand Canyon, ( story on here somewhere) , but mine ended in a replacement Victory. My 2008 had under 18K miles, but my stealer and Victory Rep found the problem after about 4 to 6 weeks and now I am on 2009.
By the way the front and rear bearing are the same and so are the seals. Bearings BCA/ Federal Mogul part # 304SS. The "3" series bearing is considered by Fed Mogul are MEDIUM Duty brgs. Seals BCA/Federal Mogul part # 30X52X7, both these numbers can be found at a reputable bearing supplier. Victory wants $33 for brgs. and over $20 for the seals. In a response to my original forum post the rider changed Brgs. with each tire change.
I hope this helps and DON"T wait until you damage the wheel ...when in doubt change them out. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Want to see something Scary your original brgs are not steel sheiled but butylene plastic sheilds. Now the scary part buy any brand of brg and pop out one side sheild ..juuuusst enough molydenube coating to keep internals from rusting ( shelf life).
Edited by bamavizn 2011-06-06 8:05 PM
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Puddle Jumper
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| Pulled the rear wheel tonight... Left side look good but will be replaced.... But the right side is trashed, bearing fixing to fall out and sheild in missing.... It was just about to fail and grenade.. I'm living a charmed life... 70mph 2up and trailer... puller over in time, and a rental truck 3 miles away... My angel was watching me!!
Off to BDI to pick up my new seals and bearings... I'll post total cost but it will be less then half from Vic... |
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Cruiser
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Santa Maria CA | i always pop the bearing shield off and ad hi temp grease and put shield back on. Never had a bearing failure. |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | Odie - 2011-06-04 10:18 PM
Well it finally happened... my Vision broke... The rear wheel bearing are making a growling noise... I'm not sure of the size yet but I want to replace them with good quality ones... I know sometime the OEM replacement parts are good but not great... Anyone out there know the size of the rear wheel bearings? I'll have the wheel pulled on Monday... just wanted to be a step ahead....
PS.. Wheel bearings growling at 70mph will raise the hair on the back of your neck..... Not to mention a pucker!!!!
And I was hoping you were coming to Helen with your trailer..... You would have been the 5th Anniversary there...
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Puddle Jumper
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| It would have been great to be there... but it would have been bad to be broken some where between Gatlinburg and Helen... I bet yall had a great time... Next year I plan to be there... Had a time getting the right side bearing out tonight, it just about fell out... except for the outside race... it had to be cut out with a Dremel.... it took 8 little cutting disks and LOTS of patience!!!!! Only left one little mark on the rim.... but back together and test ride tomorrow..
The bearings are 6304's and were 17 bucks seals 12 bucks... 64 dollars and change.... dealer $127.. ouch.... Hope none of you have to do this any time soon... lots of work..... |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | Any other information on the part numbers - manufacture??? Thinking I need to order a set... just to swap them out at the next tire change... |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, Va | Odie - 2011-06-07 10:17 PM
It would have been great to be there... but it would have been bad to be broken some where between Gatlinburg and Helen... I bet yall had a great time... Next year I plan to be there... Had a time getting the right side bearing out tonight, it just about fell out... except for the outside race... it had to be cut out with a Dremel.... it took 8 little cutting disks and LOTS of patience!!!!! Only left one little mark on the rim.... but back together and test ride tomorrow..
The bearings are 6304's and were 17 bucks seals 12 bucks... 64 dollars and change.... dealer $127.. ouch.... Hope none of you have to do this any time soon... lots of work.....
I need to have all the stuff on hand so when they do go I'm not scrambling. I check my bearings every time and feel no play or roughness, which I am amazed at this. I think the hardest thing would be pulling them, is that right odie? |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I've noticed a odd sound, other than the chirping that I thought I cured and feel it may be time to replace the wheel bearings. The belt is not too tight, in fact it is rather loose and there is no instability or screeching noise I would expect a wheel bearing to make. It is more of a hum than anything, and may be my imagination or my rear tire that needs replacing. It has been doing it for several days, and it is not get any worse that I can tell, it does change pitch in leans either. But to ease my mind, and after 130,000 miles I think I'll put new bearings in. I'll be picking up some aftermarkets, hopefully today, along with the seals. I'll let you know what I find. After doing some research, I feel we pay about 300% mark-up over the actual price just for a little bag that says "Pure Polaris". Take it how you will. |
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Visionary
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Brighton, TN | Did you replace the belt and the pulleys as a set? I have found my belt will hum at different times, pending it being warm or cold. I have not changed any of the pulleys or belts. I thought it might have been bearings, but when I put it up on the lift, you could tell the sound and feel was from the belt and pulleys. I disregarded it, to wear. Just occassionally I hear it now.
I would expect life expectancy in our environment for those bearings would be around this time frame for you. I haven't replaced any of the wheel bearings either. They still sound tight and smooth. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks Po, I did replace belt and pulley. The pulley is suppose to be off a Vegas, and it had maybe 1,000 miles on it. The belt is new, and I've got the blessed curse of the chirp, by loosing the belt a little more and making sure it is aligned, it lessened it some. So, it just may mean the belt is humming, and it is continual, without variation. It is noticeable at 30mph and above. I'm going to have bearings and seals in hand, hopefully today, if that is the issue. I think I'll change them anyways the first good weekend, if they don't go before then. I'm only suspicious, it doesn't act like or sound like a wheel bearing, but it has but me a little on edge. The last time I checked they seemed to be fine, but I might be loosing my finger calibration. |
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Iron Butt
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | There are 200 of them for sale on ebay. Current bid is $22.50 for the whole lot. It would not make any difference if they are quality or cheap because with 200 bearings you could replace them with every oil change. And, give a few to your buddies just for being a buddy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-SST-6304ZZ-DEEP-GROOVE-BALL-BEARINGS-20...
Actually, quality bearings are all over ebay for much lower price than stock. You can usually find the same stock bearings and seals if you prefer to stay with original equipment. I have not bought a bearing from a bike shop for the mountain bike, motorcross bike, or road motorcycle in many years. They are always lower price on ebay for the same original equipment. If you prefer a particular brand, simply type the brand name and the bearing number into ebay search.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/6304-ZZ-NSK-Ball-Bearing-/130806050832?pt=L...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SKF-6304-2Z-Deep-Groove-Ball-Bearing-63042Z...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-IN-BOX-NTN-6304ZZ-2A-BALL-BEARING-/1709...
All the links above are for double shielded. These are suppose to be the best. However, I get the same life out of double sealed. Replace "ZZ" with "-2RS". I myself use single seal "RS" so I can push grease in the non-sealed side. I then put the sealed side towards the outside of the hub. A greased single seal has always lasted the longest for me.
If you don't type a manufacturer name in the search you will get thousands of results for chinese bearings. The price will look very appealing, but do fall for it if you want them to last. Buy quality name brand and pay extra or be stranded. Also, don't fall for the "equivalent to NSK" or "Replaces SKF". They will dimensionally replace quality names, but the longevity is not there.
All the same info works for seals too (except the shieled and sealed parts...obviously).
Edited by victoryvisiontour 2012-11-26 10:13 PM
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