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Baltimore, Md | I've read several references where folks have switched to the PCV from the VFC III for 08 Visions and that the PCV DOES work with the 08 despite some others saying it doesn't. My question is this for anyone who has tried this or knows for sure: Has anyone switched from the VFC to the PCV to improve annoying popping? I have had the exhaust looked at by the dealer who swears it's ok and I have the VFC III, cams, intake plate. The performance improvement is fine and the only reason I would consider switching is to stop the damn popping on both upshifts and decel. I lost my dyno tune settings due to a VFC failure and when it was replaced it was reset to the base settings for S1L1 w/ cams. If the PCV w/ autotune would make it better, I would consider doing it if I could find a good installer. Thanks.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Ray, you might spend less $$ riding up to Lloydz in NY and having him set things right. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | I seriously doubt the power commander will fix popping that's a whole other issue . |
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Visionary
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| Have you un hooked your 02 sensors to see if that helps |
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Cruiser
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Plainfield Illinois | I emailed Dynojet and asked them if a PCV with auto tune option would work with my 2008 Vision. Attached is an image of their response. WB
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | that is just a well rounded blanket email statement . A little c.y.a. others on here have installed it with absolutely no problems . I have a power commander 5 on my 2008 vision . I currently do not have the auto tuner as I don't feel the need to get it yet .. but orhers have installed the auto tuner and it bolted directly into the o 2 sensor hole |
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Baltimore, Md | Jedi Jeff - 2011-05-27 9:59 AM Ray, you might spend less $$ riding up to Lloydz in NY and having him set things right. Believe me, I have considered that many times and usually it's a scheduling issue that stops me. Lloyd is very busy and I would want to drive in and get it done in 1 day and leave the next. I will probably email and ask him about it. I was also considering the D&D exhaust, but don't want to jump on that while the popping is an issue as it may just confuse things. I know Lloyd also sells the RPW, but I have read reports that they are much louder than D&D and I don't want TOO loud and don't really like the fake extra pipe. As for the O2 sensor, when Lloyd visited here at Chesapeake Cycles last year he dyno tuned my bike and checked the sensors were unplugged. He suggested at that time that I might have an exhaust issue, but was obviously just guessing since he was only tuning and not inspecting. My dyno turned in a 110 hp/110 tq and the bike runs great - except the damn popping/backfiring. Now that the VFC has been replaced (under warranty from Lloyd - great service), I have lost the dyno tune and the VFC is reset to base for my setup (S1L1, cams, etc). I'm not really looking for more power (though the new pistons occasionally whisper my name), just an engine that doesn't conjure up a Popcorn machine while up shifting and decel. The trip to Lloyd's may be in the cards to really get it done right. It's just under 300 miles for me.
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San Diego, Ca | I have both PC 5 and the Auto tune 300 . Works great . |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Don't really know much about the VFC. BUt on the PC you can hook up your laptop anytime and save the MAP to your computer. So, if you have a tuner do the work, you should definately save the MAP to YOUR computer!! Then share it with the world! There is a 2 sensor PC autotune for the vision. It does not advertise as being for the 08 Vision, but hey, what if any motor changes where made from 08 to 09? I'm not sure but doubt there have been any changes. The advantage to the autotune is that you can tune your own bike, by just riding it for a while, then saving the MAP to the PC 5 (and don't forget to save a copy to your computer!!) Or, you can just let the autotune change your map all the time. That's what I plan on doing eventually. That way it comps for everything. Change in altitude, dirty air filters, and everything else that can affect your A/F ratio. |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Just an FYI. Here's the link to the PC 5 page that shows the PC 5 AND the Autotune (DUAL exhaust sensors) for the Vision 2009-2011
http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/powercommander_v.aspx?...
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Cruiser
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Baltimore, Md | Reading on the PC site, they list the shops nearby that do PCV work and dyno tuning. In my area there are quite a few - however, all of them are HD specialty shops or outright HD performance shops. There is one very near me that has a Dyno and does the work, but again, seems very HD oriented. I guess the question I have is: does that make a difference? If they've never laid eyes on a Vic motor, are you taking a chance having them install and tune a Vision with the PCV? It would seem to me that it shouldn't really matter, but I'm no mechanic. I've been in contact with Lloyd about driving up to him, but he is apparently quite busy and that may take a long time. The other complication might be that my bike is an 08, has the full Lloyd cam/VFC III upgrade and removing the VFC to replace with the PCV might be less than simple. |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Dude, call one of the tuners and ASK! It's an install. Many people do it themselves. (Not me!) ANd if you use Autotune all you need is an install. It MAPS itself. A Vic dealer can most likely handle that for you as it is not rocket science. If you are just using the PC 5 then once installed a tuner HAS to map it if the PC web site does not have a map that fits you're add on's. And the MAP-ing is an art form in my opinion. But not one dependant on the make of the bike. Most tuners do a lot of HD's as ....guess what.........there's a lot of Harleys on the road! |
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Cruiser
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Vancouver, B.C. & La Quinta, CA | I posted an in depth review on these two tuners months ago. I use a PCV now. It works very little popping period. |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | DAL, how about a pic of your ride? ANd why the change to the Daddy Gray seat? Color me curious. |
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Cruiser
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Vancouver, B.C. & La Quinta, CA | Thx for your note MaddMax. If I ever figure the methodology out for posting I will. How do you lie the flip shield? The saddle is made by Danny Gray and "enhanced" by Rich's out of Washington State. I wanted to be put back a couple of inches and raised up an inch or so. It looks pretty stock except for some more Ness graphics stitched in and now it is the best saddle I have ever owned! I can ride all day and just hop off w/o a lot of pain and suffering that I was used to experiencing. |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Hey Dal, Thanks for the FYI on the seat. Glad you have a seat that keeps you riding! I really like the flip shield so far but only have had a few days riding with it (See Buyers Remore thread). Keep in mind I have an 8 Ball and the actual "Blade" stock shield was 11 1/2 inches from bottom to top measured in the middle. So it was pretty much like having no shield unless extended and even when fully extended it just wasn't quite enough. I ended up with a 15 inch flip from Gustafson. I struggled with heights. I could not make up my mind between 14 and 15 inches and finally went with the 15 inch. I prefer to look over my shield. And in retrospect with I had gotten a 14 inch for a little more air around town. The 15 inch gives me some air around town and when I hit 60-70 I move the shield up 1.5 inches or so and I can still see over it and it keeps the blast off me, leaving me quite comfy. NOw I can cruise all day at 80 without having the wind beat me up!! I am surprised that when I put the shield all the way up, there is not an annoying distortion directly in my field of vision. The "bend" distortion is about 2-3 inches from the top of the shield. When all the way up I can see thru the shield without problems. I'm hoping that when it rains buckets and I'm cruising it having it fully extended will keep more of the rain off my face. (I do not wear a helmet). Bikes still in the shop. By the way, I really liked your review of the VMC vs. PC 5 |
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Cruiser
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Vancouver, B.C. & La Quinta, CA | yes, I am running a CEE Baily tinted blade myself and like it, but would like to see options that include a custom bend, etc. such as yours for the heck of it. Thx for your comment on the fueller blog post.
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Maricopa, Arizona | I'm pretty sure Lloyd's just came up with a fix. Some sort of adjustable valve for like $70. Might want to check his website. God I hate the popping. |
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Tourer
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Flint, I guess you have cams with 110-110 on the dyno. You need to install the Lloyd's IAV and set the bike's base VFC numbers to the one's indicated for the VFC AND CAMS. You can find the numbers in the install guide's on Lloyd's websight. If the VFC is at the base settings it is way off. Have you called Lloyd for suggested setting's? |
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Cruiser
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Baltimore, Md | The settings Lloyd put in a year ago when he dyno tuned it to 110/110 are lost due to the original VFC failing and having to be replaced this year. It is now set to the Lloyd recommended settings for S1L1, cams, intake. At the time of the original dyno tune, Lloyd told me personally he didn't recommend the IAV and to have the exhaust looked at. I did that and they say they can find no issues with the exhuast. The bike runs good, it's just the excessive popping and backfiring. I'm still considering taking it up to NY to have Lloyd personally remove the exhaust, inspect and then redo the dyno. |
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