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| Hey All As there are no Victory dealers close, I have decided to try to do my own tire change. I am going to order the tires online from Canada"s Motorcycle and get one of the local Shops to swap the tires from the rims. For those who have already done this I am hoping you can answer a couple of questions... 1. After the wheel is removed, what has to come off to replace the tire? (ie sprocket, brake discs, etc?) 2. If the brake discs have to come off, did you re use the bolts? I am asking because it says in the 2008 service manual to replace them with new ones. 3. I would apreciate annything else that you would have liked to know when you were doing it? 4. I am also gpomg tp dp a major maintenance inspection (everything I can accoding to the book) in preparation of a major trip. Again, any pointers? 5. I have an electronic copy of the 2008 service manual, but I have a 2009 vivi. Are there any major differences? Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the 2009? Thanks |
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New Mexico | Gerica - 2011-05-06 12:53 AM
5. I have an electronic copy of?the 2008 service manual, but I have a 2009 vivi. Are there any major differences? Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the 2009?Thanks
Try here
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=07fff18097bbb6d2ab1eab3e9fa335ca...
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| thanks!! Which service manaul is this from? 2008? 2009? |
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New Mexico | Looks like it covers 2008 & 2009. Breaks out the wiring diagram for each year, but appears everything else is pretty much the same. I use it for my 2009 and have not had any issues.
I have tires on order, and was planning on tackling this same project next week, but... Can drive the bike into a local shop and have them do both in 4hrs for <$100, so decided to go that way. Two reasons - 1) Would probably have the bike out of commision for a week or so if I did it, & 2) I have a trip coming up, so don't want to get the bike all torn apart, then not get it back together in time.
Good luck. Procedures don't look too tough. Maybe next time I'll try and tackle it.
One other note - I'm going Darkside, so hoping I won't need to pull the rear tire for another 30k or so.
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Indianapolis, IN | Keep in mind that if you are using one of the small bike lifts that just go under the engine/transmission, the balance of the bike shifts when you take one of the wheels off the bike. This can cause the bike to become unstable on the lift if you don't prop up the opposite wheel before you take the one off. I usually just stack up about three 2x's under the remaining wheel and adjust the height so the tire is just touching the boards. This way when the wheel comes off and the bike starts to tilt it keeps the bike stable. |
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| Bob - I am sort of in the same boat as I too am changing the tires in preparation of a major trip. What tires did you decide to go darkside with? Chris - thanks for the jacking advice. I have a table lift and will be changing out one tire at a time so that I will always maintain 2 points of contact to the lift, not including the securing straps. However, if I do decide to get brave and take off both at the same time, I am thinking your idea using the 2x4's will work great!! thanks!! |
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| Gerica - 2011-05-05 10:53 PM
1. After the wheel is removed, what has to come off to replace the tire? (ie sprocket, brake discs, etc?)
Nothing, just follow the manual as far as not allowing the caliper to hang from the brake line, another thing to do if possible is to get a 2nd pair of hands, one to control the jack while the other negotiates the tire into place........
Last piece of advice that will save alot of grief, get a piece of ?" emt 9 3/4" long, slide it through the shaft opening, this will prevent the spacers from falling off as you slide the tire into place, another short one between the caliper and the swing arm will keep the caliper from falling off the swing arm while you're fighting the tire into place. |
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| YOUR CRAZY
spend the money and go to a aftermarket shop and pay them. |
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| I have been riding for 40+ years and have never paid anyone to change a tire for me, always do it myself. Getting ready to put the fourth rear and third front on my Vision. |
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Indianapolis, IN | savage - 2011-05-06 9:30 PM I have been riding for 40+ years and have never paid anyone to change a tire for me, always do it myself. Getting ready to put the fourth rear and third front on my Vision. I'm going to attempt to do the complete change on the front this weekend myself........... yep with a bead breaker and tire irons and the whole bit. Just want to see if I can do it. I know, call me crazy but it doesn't look that bad and if I really had to I want to know if I can. Of course I may never do it again! |
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| That's the way I do it, bead breaker and tire irons, no tire changing machine for me. I put the bike in the garage door opening and use tie down straps on each side to hold the bike vertical and use a floor jack to raise the rear-much more stable than using my lift.
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | On a 1-10 scale on mechanical prowess, I'd rate myself a 6. I pulled off both front and backs without too much problem. If I can do it, almost anyone can. I did remove pulley and brake discs and took it to tire shop to put on the new tires. Biggest frustration was getting everything aligned properly to get rear axel bolt in and seated properly. This is where 2 people come in handy. I did reuse brake disc bolts, but will most likely replace next go round. I did this cause I guess if I'm going to ride, I should get to really know my bike. There's no better way to get to know your bike than to jump in with a shop manual and do slot of the work yourself. |
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | Why would you ever need to remove the rotors & pully? Never done that one- a milk crate or one of those blue plastic 50 gallon barrels worked great for me before I got my HF tire changer and modified it. I saw this method and was going to try it just to see if it would work on a big cruiser tire with stiff sidewalls
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299597
I gone both ways and will sometimes take my wheels into a shop but prefer ordering the tires delivered to my door (best deal for a cheap bastard like myself) and changing them on my schedule rather than a shops. If you do it yourself my best tips are: Have the proper tools. Don't try it outside on a cold day-put the tire in the sun or in a warm place before mounting-makes a huge difference. Be sober & patient. Couple of tricks for putting the wheels back on- push the brake caliper pistons in so they slide over the rotors more easily & use a wooden dowel a bit smaller diameter than the axle to line up the wheel and spacers and then just push it out with the axle bolt. Have fun-Brian |
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New Mexico | Gerica - 2011-05-06 9:19 AM
Bob - I am sort of in the same boat as I too am changing the tires in preparation of a major trip. What tires did you decide to go darkside?with?
I went with the stock Elite 3 on front, and Potenza 195 55/16 on back. Tires were about $100 each, and another $100 to mount, so will be about $300 total. If I can get 30k out of that back tire I will be one happy boy! Getting them mounted next Thursday morning.
Of course, I tried to go even cheaper and bought a used (<1k miles) tire for front, then found out it was bias ply, and should not run with my radial Potenza, so now have an Elite 3 bias to sell on ebay.
I have been riding for 30+ years, and never had tried a ct. But I always had big bore bar-hopper cruisers or in-line fours, nothing the size/weight of the Vision, so hopefully will work out. Was at the dealership yesterday and got another warning from the owner that this is a baaaad idea. He is a good, honest guy, so adds another layer of concern, but am trusting the Darksiders on this board and going for it.
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Indianapolis, IN | Well goterdone this afternoon and I can say it wasn't too bad. I took quite a bit of time to polish the wheel once I got the tire off. My wheels are showing a lot of pitting and so I wanted to give the wheel a good going over while off. Tire removal was rather easy in my opinion, bead braking was the hard part. going on wasn't hard until I got to the last 4th of the second bead. That caused a little sweat extraction to occur. I think the key is keeping the bead wet with soapy water and taking small bites as you go. To do this I purchased three 16" tire irons, three sets of rim protectors, and one clamp on bead braker. I figure from now on I am money well ahead if I choose to do it myself. And I used 2oz of Dynabeads and the tire feels smooth as silk all the way up to 80 mph. |
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New Bohemia, Va | hoosiervic - 2011-05-07 6:00 PM
Well goterdone this afternoon and I can say it wasn't too bad. I took quite a bit of time to polish the wheel once I got the tire off. My wheels are showing a lot of pitting and so I wanted to give the wheel a good going over while off. Tire removal was rather easy in my opinion, bead braking was the hard part. going on wasn't hard until I got to the last�4th of the second bead. That caused a little sweat extraction to occur. I think the key is keeping the bead wet with soapy water and taking small bites as you go. To do this I purchased three 16" tire irons, three sets of rim protectors, and one clamp on bead braker. I figure from now on I am money well ahead if I choose to do it myself. And I used 2oz of Dynabeads and the tire feels smooth as silk all the way up to 80 mph. Pics of the tools please...TY |
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Indianapolis, IN | Here are some pics. You probably only need two sets of rim guards as shown, but they are cheap and can brake while in use, better to have extras. All the items in the pic can be purchased from Jake Wilson, I've included a link. They are about the cheapest place to buy the E3's as well and everything is shipped for free if over 100 bucks and arrives in three days on your door step. They have extremely good customer service. These tire irons are very strong with large handles - great leverage. http://www.jakewilson.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&webTypeId=321&navTitle=Motorcycle+Tire+Accessories&webCatId=38&keyword=tire+irons&prodFamilyId=20307 http://www.jakewilson.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&webTypeId=321&navTitle=Motorcycle+Tire+Accessories&webCatId=38&keyword=bead&prodFamilyId=24013 http://www.jakewilson.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&webTypeId=416&navTitle=Motorcycle+Tire+Accessories&webCatId=53&prodFamilyId=24704 http://www.jakewilson.com/productDetail.do?org.apache.struts.taglib.html.TOKEN=627d09e08ef8932cbda404916178033b&navTitle=Motorcycle+Tire+Accessories&webCatId=38&navType=type&webTypeId=321&prodFamilyId=23687&listingId=&sizeAttr=5704
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New Bohemia, Va | So, do you have anything to mount the wheel to while getting the tire off/on, or just do it on the floor?? |
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Indianapolis, IN | I have a couple heavy rugs in the garage floor that I doubled up and used to keep things from getting scratched up. I layed a short piece of 2x4 on the rug as a spacer under the tire only on the side of the tire next to me. I placed my knees on the side of the tire to help force the bead into the center part of the rim while I use the tire irons on the opposite side of the rim. This made for a somewhat stable operation and gave me the best leverage. I used all three irons, holding two down with one hand and prying on a new spot with the free hand. Here is a video link from Jake Wilson's web site. As you can see if you take your time and don't skip steps it isn't that bad. If you are planning on using dynabeads be careful not to get very much water inside the tire. I guess this can cause the beads to clump up and be less effective. I sprays slightly soapy water on my hand and wiped it around the tire bead and rim edge. Again it went pretty well for my first time. http://www.jakewilson.com/videos.do?videoId=83 |
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San Antonio, TX | Thirty years ago a friend and I worked at Joe Ed Meyers Exxon in Rockport Texas. First thing Joe taught us was tire repair. Impact wrench to take them off and a torque wrench to put them on. We balanced them with a bubble. Used a soapy water bath to find the leak and was told to take the time to patch it right the first time.
The tire machine had a half inch steel tube ring with small holes in a ring to seat the bead. You lubricate the bead the step on the air valve while holding the tire to the top bead and you are set.
Before airing up the repaired tire we were instructed to always loosen the nut holding down the rim. A few weeks later, someone forgot to do this and the steel rod made a nice hole in the ceiling above the machine. I am glad I was off that day.
After working at Joe's for a week someone came in with a flat small lawn mower tire. A thorn go figure. Joe called me over and taught me how use a bead breaker hammer and a couple of tire irons to get the tube out without causing more damage and repair the tube and tire. After that, everyone at the station saved all of the lawn mower and other tires that would not work on the machine for me. Thanks Joe.
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Why remove pulley and brake discs? Many of us choose to take the tire and rim to a tires shop to actually let them deal with the rubber. I don't trust some high school kid to not mess up my pulley and discs when mounting the tire. Took all of 3 min to do. No biggie. I'll pay $15 to get two tires properly mounted, but don't want to pay hundreds to replace parts should they get damaged |
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| You should do a search on youtube for tire mounting and breaking bed. As I recall there are some for motorcycles. |
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