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Cruiser
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Stockton, California | Has anyone here seen or used the new Blu-Hub fro J&M? This is a device that is supposed to make the entire system (radio, IPod, Zumo) bluetooth. With this dongle attached you will now be able to have intercom and all audio functions available wirelessly. They have a harness for the Gold Wing right now and are supposed to come out with a harness for more bikes next year. Do not know if Vision is on the list. If anyone has info can you please share
Thanks
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Puddle Jumper
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Middleburg, Fl. | I want one. | |
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Goldsboro, NC | Blu-Hub $330, Two Bluetooth headsets $600.... ouch! Add another $400-$500 for a CB that does not even integrate... momma, I need a big sumthin sumthin in my Christmas Card! | |
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Rhode Island | The Scala Rider G4 is blue tooth; can you use this? if so, that would save a few hundred $s.
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Prairie Dog Heaven, CO | There is no way I would spend this much mullah just to get rid of the two coiled cords. And gain a whole bunch of chargers to lug around and batteries to worry about. | |
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Northern NJ | picard - 2010-12-19 11:55 PM
There is no way I would spend this much mullah just to get rid of the two coiled cords. And gain a whole bunch of chargers to lug around and batteries to worry about.
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Peachtree City, GA | +2 | |
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New Brunswick , Canada | +3 | |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | Sorry, guys and gals, but if I remember right, I never bought a bike because I wanted to talk to anybody beyond "You hungry?" or, "You gotta pee? Let's get a beer!". Everything else (frankly, including those) can be done with hand signals or my wife beating on my helmet. It's bad enough I have a cell phone or Garmin in my dash compartment so I can be tracked by some satellite. | |
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Goldsboro, NC | rainryder - 2010-12-22 4:53 PM
Sorry, guys and gals, but if I remember right, I never bought a bike because I wanted to talk to anybody beyond "You hungry?" or, "You gotta pee? Let's get a beer!". Everything else (frankly, including those) can be done with hand signals or my wife beating on my helmet. It's bad enough I have a cell phone or Garmin in my dash compartment so I can be tracked by some satellite.An appropriate response to "You gotta pee?" is "Let's get a beer" ?!?
Your plumbing is different than mine, my friend. | |
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Prairie Dog Heaven, CO | I, personally, don't like to be beat on the helmet... | |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | rainryder - 2010-12-22 2:53 PM
It's bad enough I have a cell phone or Garmin in my dash compartment so I can be tracked by some satellite.
I wish I hadn't have seen that statement coming from another Vision rider. You are stating you believe GPS satellites in orbit are actively tracking the receivers? You want a tin-foil hat to go with that? I would recommend taking this to a conspiracy theory forum. That probably just made the #1 most ignorant statement of 2010. Dang... You almost made it to 2011 too.
Edited by bigwill5150 2010-12-23 1:22 PM
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Visionary
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Jasper, MO | bigwill5150 - 2010-12-23 1:17 PM
rainryder - 2010-12-22 2:53 PM
It's bad enough I have a cell phone or Garmin in my dash compartment so I can be tracked by some satellite.
I wish I hadn't have seen that statement coming from another Vision rider. You are stating you believe GPS satellites in orbit are actively tracking the receivers? You want a tin-foil hat to go with that? I would recommend taking this to a conspiracy theory forum. That probably just made the #1 most ignorant statement of 2010. Dang... You almost made it to 2011 too.
Ummm. It's a known fact that cell phones are tracked by GPS satellites, and can also be tracked by signal triangulation from the ground. There are lots of instances where emergency response personnel have been able to locate someone this way.
I have called highway emergency response (*55) from my cell phone more than once, and the operator has asked me to verify my location, which they already knew from my cell phone. Not a conspiracy theory. Technology at work. If you have a cell phone turned on, you are being tracked. Not saying that "Big Brother" is watching everybody all the time, but the technology is here today.
How do you think the OnStar system GM promotes for their new vehicles works? Fleets use satellite tracking to monitor freight movements. It's the same system, and cell phones can be tracked by it too, by law enforcement and emergency response agencies.
Ronnie
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | rdbudd - 2010-12-24 11:07 AM
bigwill5150 - 2010-12-23 1:17 PM
rainryder - 2010-12-22 2:53 PM
It's bad enough I have a cell phone or Garmin in my dash compartment so I can be tracked by some satellite.
I wish I hadn't have seen that statement coming from another Vision rider. You are stating you believe GPS satellites in orbit are actively tracking the receivers? You want a tin-foil hat to go with that? I would recommend taking this to a conspiracy theory forum. That probably just made the #1 most ignorant statement of 2010. Dang... You almost made it to 2011 too.
Ummm. It's a known fact that cell phones are tracked by GPS satellites, and can also be tracked by signal triangulation from the ground.
Alright... Starting over again. I'm trying hard not turn this into a pi$$ing contest. No GPS receivers are being tracked from outer space by satellites. My point is that GPS satellites and phones are NOT being tracked from outer space by satellites. I'm going to reiterate this fact. NOTHING in outerspace is tracking you. Satellites are sending timed frequency pulses. These pulses are RECEIVED by the GPS receivers. The receivers time these pulses and compare them with the rate of speed for frequency and there is a little adjustment in there somewhere to account for atmospheric deflections. It is NOT a Bi-Directional process. Phones work the same way except they have the capaility to take this received information and transmit it to digital towers, if and ONLY if your phone has an integrated GPS receiver chipset. The other alternative is for them to use reception of 2 or more towers to determine approximately where you are on the side of the road IF you initiate this during an emergency call and NOT before then. Tower triangulation is nowhere near as accurate because there are just too many variables. Again, no one is being tracked from outer space by GPS satellites. There is other technology for that type for work. I can't imagine the expense involved if the government did truely decide to track all it's private citizens like some folks think. IF the government wants to track you, they can find much less expensive means to do so than to sit and watch you from a dedicated space satellite (read NOT a GPS satellite). I really hate conspiracy theorists... These kinds "known facts" are dessiminated from "Encyclopedia Joe Bob" and no one questions it. There's no point re-inventing the wheel here so I'm just gonna link a post to how GPS and E911 works from reputable sources:
GPS explained by Trimble. FYI Trimble is one of; if not THE, leading manufacturer/developer of commercial grade GPS and DGPS. I have personally installed 4 of their DSM232 units and integrated them it into my ship's Converteam Dynamic Positioning system (automated ships posititioning, basically): http://www.trimble.com/gps/howgps.shtml
Here is another one. I'm not familiar with the source but the figure shown is a sound enough explanation if you don't want to read all about it: Note that "System Controller" and your "GPS receiver" are 2 different things entirely".
http://www.aero.org/education/primers/gps/howgpsworks.html
Here is Sprint's explanation of how E911 works to triangulate your position: Note that you are not being constantly tracked, even when it is enabled: http://www.sprint.com/business/newsletters/articles/e911how_federal... | |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | And just to be even more helpful if you are still of the beliefe that you are being tracked. Here is a link to helping you improvise a device to help alleviate such fears: http://www.ehow.com/how_2049858_make-tinfoil-hat.html | |
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Jasper, MO | I'm not worried about it. I don't need a tinfoil hat. I do know from first hand experience that the times I have called the highway emergency response number (*55) from my cell phone (to report an accident, or road obstructions, such as cattle on the road after dark), the operator has told me my location and asked me to verify my location. When I asked how she knew my location before I told her, she said "GPS satellites".
Now I don't know the technicalities of the systems, nor do I know whether the dispatcher on the other end of the call knew the exact technical process either, but the fact remains that they knew where I was without being told by me first. Tracking of cell phones is done every day. Do I think "Big Brother" is tracking everybody constantly? No. Do I think they can track cell phones anytime they want to for the purpose of emergency response or law enforcement. Yes. I also know from first hand experience that truck freight is constantly tracked via satellite. I used to haul hazardous materials, and some loads do not allow a driver to stop between the trip's origin and the destination, except for pre-designated stops. The driver will get a call right away, if the truck stops without permission. The trucks are tracked in real time by satellite. Fleets today use this technology every day to track and co-ordinate freight shipments for timely delivery. Fleets want to know right away if a truck leaves it's designated route, or stops when it shouldn't, or monitor a driver going too fast, and they have the capability to track them in real time. Some fleets even utilize the capability to shut a truck down by remote control, if a driver is caught driving past his legal hours of service. This is also done by satellites. This is not conspiracy theory. It's an everyday fact of life.
http://www.usfleettracking.com/
One of many GPS fleet tracking companies http://virtualfleetsupervisor.com/?_kk=fleet%20tracking&_kt=d85aeb8...
And another http://foxtraxgps.com/ And another http://www.gpsinsight.com/gps-fleet-tracking-system
More and more truck fleets even want to know not only where and when a truck is traveling or stopped, but how it was driven at all times. Turning speeds, acceleration rate, how hard the brakes were applied, how long it idled, etc. The company can track this in real time, and I've known drivers who were fired because of their aggressive driving style. There really is no where to hide anymore, if you are a truck driver working for a big fleet. Systems are even available to remotely turn the truck off, limit it's top speed, and limit it's engine power output. http://www.cadec.com/solutions/fleetSafety.php
If "Big Brother" ever makes OnStar a Federal requirement in all civilian vehicles, then we might have reason to worry. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/hacker-bricks-cars/ Al Gore and his ilk may decide that you have been driving too fast, or too far, or too much. I wouldn't like for them to have control of a useful system that could be abused by a group of people who think they "know what's best for us". http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/21/onstar-announces-remote-ignition...
I don't think our every move is being monitored by the government today. I do think that there are groups of people who would if they could, "for our own good" of course. Vote thoughtfully and wisely. Elections matter.
We sure got a long way from the original question about Blu-Hub didn't we?
Ronnie
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | rdbudd - 2010-12-24 4:53 PM
We sure got a long way from the original question about Blu-Hub didn't we?
Ronnie
Yes we did and that is a good point. To the OP: I am sorry for hijacking this thread. My intention was to share my experience with wireless bluetooth. My experience with cordless Bluetooth comms was less than pleasing. I don't even use it any longer. It has a hard time picking up our voices when we are traveling with the wind noise. The headphones don't get loud enough for anything but a full-faced helmet, and even then is pretty poor. I wouldn't recommend going cordless, even if they decided to make this for the Vision, which likely will not happen. One of the guys I rode with in the American Legion has his wing setup for wired. The sound and operation is SOOO much more dependable and clearer. I recommend going wired in this case. Just my recommendation. If you roll the dice, let us know how it works out for you so we can learn from it. | |
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Iron Butt
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| On the subject of Bluetooth communications, I believe there is a true place for the technology on motorcycles, just not any fully and properly equipped touring motorcycles such as our Visions, Honda Goldwings, BMW K1600GTLs, or even a Harley-Davidson Ultra Classics.
My best personal experience has been using my Nolan N102 N-Com bluetooth equipped helmet, Garmin Zumo 550 gps, and my cell phone on my 2007 Victory Kingpin while riding it home to northern Illinois from Orlando, Florida after purchasing it. I used the mp3 player function on the Zumo to provide me with music so I could stay alert while riding at night (didn't want to ride during the day in 100+ degree temps) and it allowed me to accept calls from my wife so that she would be reassured about my safety and my location. All this on a motorcycle that was not equipped with a stereo, CB, or any other electronics. This I feel is the true benefit of bluetooth technology with regards to motorcycles, it's best for the plain jane, bare bones type of motorcycle. | |
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Jasper, MO | Travelin Man - 2010-12-25 9:21 AM
On the subject of Bluetooth communications, I believe there is a true place for the technology on motorcycles, just not any fully and properly equipped touring motorcycles such as our Visions, Honda Goldwings, BMW K1600GTLs, or even a Harley-Davidson Ultra Classics.
My best personal experience has been using my Nolan N102 N-Com bluetooth equipped helmet, Garmin Zumo 550 gps, and my cell phone on my 2007 Victory Kingpin while riding it home to northern Illinois from Orlando, Florida after purchasing it. I used the mp3 player function on the Zumo to provide me with music so I could stay alert while riding at night (didn't want to ride during the day in 100+ degree temps) and it allowed me to accept calls from my wife so that she would be reassured about my safety and my location. All this on a motorcycle that was not equipped with a stereo, CB, or any other electronics. This I feel is the true benefit of bluetooth technology with regards to motorcycles, it's best for the plain jane, bare bones type of motorcycle.
Interesting observation. I have no personal experience with Bluetooth. I had a Goldwing that was equipped with CB and intercom, and now have a Vision equipped the same way. Both hard-wired. Both work well.
Two of my friends who ride Goldwings spent considerable sums of money to do the Bluetooth thing, and both of them have gone back to the factory hardwired systems for the convenience and reliability of the hard-wired systems. One of them is a small businessman, and the other is a district manager for the company he works for, and they are both on their cell phones a lot. They both went back to sliding their flip-phones up inside their full-face helmets. They both say the phones are much clearer that way than through the Bluetooth interface. I know their calls to me sound better that way.
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