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Jacksonville, Florida | I already referenced this elsewhere, but thought it should be here in Tech. Let me say I am not the originator of this idea. I first read Fargo's post about cherry bombs. Just so happened I found Thrush mufflers at Advance Auto for $19.99 ea. 2 1/4 in and out, 31" overall length, we need around 33-35".
The reason I am posting here, is for record, and this weekend I modified it, so I thought I would share what I think are the improvements that make it a workable solution. I originally installed the 31" Thrush Glasspacks, part no. 24205, which are as I said $19.99 at Advance Auto. I originally tried to use the stock tips from the stock mufflers, but the sound wasn't quite there for me.
I ended up buying a pair of stainless steel exhaust resonator tips. They are 9" long.? I found them at Oreilly's Auto Parts. ?They slide over the end of the muffler then there are bolts that tighten up to hold it in place. The 4" tips work with the size of the heat shield great.
This simplified the install greatly. Gives a small touch of a custom appearance, and wow what sound.
Sound is a funny thing. What are YOU after? For me I have always ridden HD's or V-twins. I am used to having big full strong sound. I don't like straight pipes, or drag pipes, too harsh. I want to hear what I feel when I twist the grip, and I want mindless drivers in their cages looking for me before they see me. I have that and more with this setup. To say I am pleased with how it turned out is an understatement.
I rode 100 miles Saturday and it kept getting better and better. Very low at idle, but thunderous when you are accelerating. The percussion when going under overpasses is awesome. But yet there is no harshness. I have NO popping and if it did anything, it helped the power. I listened to my tunes the whole time with no problem.
I put together a video that shows how they are mounted and a sound clip. Though I used pro microphones, it still doesn't capture the massive sound that is coming out. Again, big sound, not harsh sound. I hope this will help someone else save $$$. The Lord knows we all need a break!
Here it is: If it doesn't display properly it's here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1nQQPz3NHE
The picture below is the exhaust tip.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Hahaha...........Sounds great. Someone will have something bad to say but I think you did a good job. This coming from someone who spent more than 4 times as much on CFR slip-ons......... |
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San Antonio, TX | That is too cool! I love the mod. If I had a prize for mod of the year it would be a fight between you and the Harbor Freight budget trailer!!!
Here is the video in a frame.
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Jacksonville, Florida | I learned a long time ago that someone will complain about getting a free $20 bill because it wasn't 2 5's and a ten.
I'm not issuing a challenge, but I welcome constructive criticism. Might help the next person do a better job. |
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Jacksonville, Florida | radioteacher - 2010-11-21 11:55 PM
That is too cool! I love the mod. If I had a prize for mod of the year it would be a fight between you and the Harbor Freight budget trailer!!!
Here is the video in a frame.
Thanks for the kind words. I used the same code in my post, following the instructions posted at the welcome link. But it doesn't put the frame in. Wish I could figure out why.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I like it even better the second time I watched it........... |
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Albuquerque, NM | Great job on the video...very professional!. I went with the cherry bombs. Had I known about the thrush muffers, I could have saved $20. The resonators are a nice touch and finish off the ends nicely. (Nicer looking than the thunder sticks) |
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Pittsburgh, PA | sounds great, looks great and best of all not a $500+ job!! |
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Jacksonville, Florida | Sorry, no. Only my own opinions and seat of the pants. |
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| I went to Thrush site and they do make longer lengths like that Cherry Boom exhaust.
Either way I think you have sold me come spring I am going to look into them the price is sure right.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | As I mentioned to you earlier Joel, that video is SICK! I love the sound of those glasspacks. Thanks for including Vision-Riders in your video.
Have you noticed any mpg changes with the pipes? Did you do any fuel map changes?
Great mod!
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Jacksonville, Florida | Jedi Jeff - 2010-11-22 2:13 PM
As I mentioned to you earlier Joel, that video is SICK! I love the sound of those glasspacks. Thanks for including Vision-Riders in your video.
Have you noticed any mpg changes with the pipes? Did you do any fuel map changes?
Great mod!
Well, being I only have 300 miles on the bike... I won't be a lot of help in the gas mileage dept. Still showing about 44.6 mpg avg. Everything I could find on fuel map changes seems to indicate not necessary for exhaust only. I plan to make my own Top Plate Breather and add Loydz VFC. When the intake is opened up it will definitely lean it up enough to need a re-map. It would also seem that getting the dealer to do a remap is a waste as they use cookie cutter maps with EPA consideration. One of the aftermarket fuel controllers would allow the most accurate tuning, but you need to be running a stock map for those.
I do not have any surging or noticeable differences in performance. If anything it seems to pull a little harder? Maybe just sounds stronger. 
Every video I do about the Vision from here out will use the "produced for vision-riders" logo, as long as that is alright by you.
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LaPorte,Tx. | I think this is really great, thanks for sharing with all the Vision-Riders. Sounds fantastic! |
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Central Wisconsin | Great sound on the video!!! Nice write up! Do you think it's louder then the level 1 exhaust? Don't want to hear my wife say something like "why did you do that!" LOL! 
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Jacksonville, Florida | Thomas - 2010-11-22 10:34 PM
Great sound on the video!!!? Nice write up! Do you think it's louder then the level 1 exhaust? Don't want to hear my wife say something like "why did you do that!" LOL! ?
I test rode a crossroads with level 1 exhaust. The thrush is most definitely louder than that. A friend of mine who ran an independent shop for a long time (read Harley guy) saw my vision for the first time. Iwas ready for the ridicule but it never came. He was glad to see more American ingenuity. His comment about the exhaust is that it was deep and mellow, sounded strong but not like drag pipes. |
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Central Wisconsin | Wish I could hear your set-up in person...must sound GREAT! Yeah a couple HD friends of mine were surprised how well the Level 1 sounded. Thanks for the info... Thomas
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Pittsburgh, PA | I WISH YOU would have made this video like 2 years sooner... LOL would have saved me a bunch of money over the s1l1 |
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| Nice job on the mod and the video!
I think one of the best things about this particular mod is that you can easily go back to the stock setup if you care to and that ability might be important to those that live in states that do inspections. |
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New Bohemia, VA | so are you saying do this mod with a remap would be okay? |
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Jacksonville, Florida | varyder - 2010-11-23 11:55 AM
so are you saying do this mod with a remap would be okay?
Please, I am no expert. I have had HD's and other bikes for 20 years. I have a set of guidelines I use for each bike.
1. Factory is tuned for EPA, not performance. That means the engine is restricted on the intake and exhaust, so the power is limited.
2. To get the best performance out of a stock v-twin it must breathe. Since you can only push out as much as you can pull into the motor, the greatest effect on leaning out the mix is when you open up the breather. There are many many posts by those more experienced than I, that simply adding slip-ons, which is basically what this is, will have very little effect on the mix, so probably the stock map will work.
If you have the s1l1 remap already, you also have the open breather, right? or K&N, etc. So the map you run is optimized for that. Once I install the breather plate along with the Thrush pipes, I will HAVE to add fuel, or I will be way too lean, which is way worse than running too rich. It has to be addressed either by having the dealer map it, or adding a device like the VFC to provide the right amount of fuel.
For me, based on the conversation with the service manager at my local dealer, I will use a tuner so I can keep it in my own hands. Just like tuning a carb, I need to be able to test the fuel at wide open throttle, check plugs, adjust do it again. Midrange tuning, idle, etc. I don't think the cookie cutter, EPA satisfying maps are gonna put my bike at it's optimum.
So, to answer your question. I put on the Thrush with no changes to the stock map. I do not have surging which would indicate too lean. Everything pulls as smooth as before. Again, I am no expert, I have only my own experience and testing to fall back on. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks, I was just wanting to get a feel for this mod. I'm bone stock and have hi-mileage, so I've gone to the take it a little easier mode, though I'm not afraid to get up and go. I went through one set of pipes already, thankfully second hand, and hardly used since the seller did a near immediate upgrade to the S1L1 (or 2) pipes. If I had known and felt comfortable with this mod, this is the way I would have gone. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | ifi was someone looking to do this mod i would NOT bother with purchasing the victory fuel map if they dont already have it.. buy a fuel controller. my s1l1 was still lean as it has to meet EPA regs as well.. (according to my dealer) the only way i got my vision to run the way i wanted to was to purchase a fuel controller. |
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Perry Hall, MD | Wish I had read the post 2 days earlier. I'm in the middle of the cherry bomb install and had a heck of a time attaching the gatlin tip. Just got it figured out tonight and then came in to read that there was a better option. Nice Job and video!
Speaking of being in the middle of the install, I started it with one side stock and cherry bomb on the other. Pretty impressive comparison. |
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Jacksonville, Florida | lennyb - 2010-11-23 9:12 PM
Speaking of being in the middle of the install, I started it with one side stock and cherry bomb on the other. Pretty impressive comparison.
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| I like this mod and great video. I just got the mufflers and here are the tips that I am using they are Dynomax tips with logo and are 12" long so it will extend out the back about 3" more and cost $89.64 total just for the tips, but include the ss clamps. So now I will have S1/L1 mufflers for sale.
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Midlothian, Va. | Dain - 2010-11-24 2:48 PM I like this mod and great video. I just got the mufflers and here are the tips that I am using they are Dynomax tips with logo and are 12" long so it will extend out the back about 3" more and cost $89.64 total just for the tips, but include the ss clamps. So now I will have S1/L1 mufflers for sale. Dain. please post a picture and give us your thoughts after a ride.
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Jacksonville, Florida | team5150 - 2010-11-24 6:20 PM
Are you getting any popping on the 1-2& 2-3 shift ?
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Hate to say it, especially since I spent like $500.00 on the CFR's, but it would be funny as hell if they made good HP numbers too. Piss off Victory and alot of pipe makers also............ |
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| Biscuit - 2010-11-24 6:39 PM
Dain - 2010-11-24 2:48 PM I like this mod and great video. I just got the mufflers and here are the tips that I am using they are Dynomax tips with logo and are 12" long so it will extend out the back about 3" more and cost $89.64 total just for the tips, but include the ss clamps. So now I will have S1/L1 mufflers for sale. Dain. please post a picture and give us your thoughts after a ride.
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Jacksonville, Florida | Someone asked me offline about any popping when shifting. Now that I have some miles with this mod I can say that there is very little popping. Usually if it happens at all, it is when cold and I blip the throttle too much while shifting. But again, any pops are few and far between.
A detail I may not have mentioned before, is that I left a 2-1/4 to 2" reducer in the open end of the muffler. I had a 1-3/4 but I didn't like it. The 2" works best right now. Just thought you'd want to know.
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Jacksonville, Florida | Shot another video of the bike with the Thrush. I haven't been able to hear it drive away so I had my wife film it. Enjoy.
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LaPorte,Tx. | Sweet sound! |
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Midlothian, Va. | I like it! |
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Tomball, Texas | Liked it so much I did it to mine !!!!!!!! Really nice sound!!!!!!!!! |
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Midlothian, Va. | chappellj - 2010-11-29 6:35 PM Shot another video of the bike with the Thrush. I haven't been able to hear it drive away so I had my wife film it. Enjoy. What I don't like about this video is he's riding around in short sleeves at the end of Nov.
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Midlothian, Va. | MaxVision - 2010-12-03 12:55 PM Liked it so much I did it to mine !!!!!!!! Really nice sound!!!!!!!!!Can you give this old rider detail instructions on the install. Pictures would really help, thanks.
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Jacksonville, Florida | Biscuit - 2010-12-03 2:51 PM
MaxVision - 2010-12-03 12:55 PM Liked it so much I did it to mine !!!!!!!! Really nice sound!!!!!!!!!Can you give this old rider detail instructions on the install. Pictures would really help, thanks.
I didn't take pictures in-process but the order is:
Remove Lower Plastic Panels from both sides.
Remove Stock Exhaust pipes by loosening main clamp, and 6 mounting bolts (3 per side)
Once the stock exhaust is off you have to cut the straps that hold on the heat shields so you can reuse them with new pipe/hose clamps. I used 4", you will need 6 of them.
Mount the Thrush Mufflers using stock Header to Muffler Clamps.
Secure tail end of muffler with Pipe strap, or new muffler straps to the old locations. You will need new 8 or 10mm bolts as the originals are welded to the old pipes.
Once you have the pipes secured and clamped down tight, Install the Tips (whichever one's you decide to go with).
Install the stock heat shields over the new pipes using 6 Pipe Clamps (4")
That's pretty much it. Some of you that have done it might want to add steps I missed or a technique that you used that was different.
It took me about 4 hours. After your first ride, re-tighten the header to muffler clamp (while hot) to ensure there are no leaks. Make sure your tips are very tight, I actually safety wired mine to the frame so they wouldn't slide off with vibration over time.
Hope this helps.
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flagstaff, AZ | me next, me next. this really "sounds" like a great mod. |
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Midlothian, Va. | Thanks for the install procedure! I'm leaning towards this before spring but I need to get through Christmas first and pay for it. If anyone else does this please post up your thoughts. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Exhaust sounds good AND the price sounds great !!!!!! |
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centrel Minnesota | Love the sound, |
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vero beach,fl | bought all the stuff cant wait till the weekend |
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| It would be really nice if KevinX would add his comments to this modification since some of us trust in his infinite wisdom on Vision motorcycles. Also it would be nice to know if this affects your warranty on your bike. |
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Nalcrest, FL United States | I just removed my mufflers and repainted them in August due to rust from winter riding with salt on the roads around here. I love the sound! I'm going to do this mod over the winter. The tips you used look better than the stock ones and finish off the exhaust better. Thanks for posting it all. |
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, AR United States | chappellj - 2010-11-29 5:31 AM
Someone asked me offline about any popping when shifting. Now that I have some miles with this mod I can say that there is very little popping. Usually if it happens at all, it is when cold and I blip the throttle too much while shifting. But again, any pops are few and far between.
A detail I may not have mentioned before, is that I left a 2-1/4 to 2" reducer in the open end of the muffler. I had a 1-3/4 but I didn't like it. The 2" works best right now. Just thought you'd want to know.
Chappellj, I like this mod and will most likely do it too. Is the 2-1/4 to 2" reducer for fitting purposes or to add a little restriction?
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vero beach,fl | what type of hanger did you use I am having trouble finding anything that will work |
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Jacksonville, Florida | BillyJoe - 2010-12-10 3:00 PM
chappellj - 2010-11-29 5:31 AM
Someone asked me offline about any popping when shifting. Now that I have some miles with this mod I can say that there is very little popping. Usually if it happens at all, it is when cold and I blip the throttle too much while shifting. But again, any pops are few and far between.
A detail I may not have mentioned before, is that I left a 2-1/4 to 2" reducer in the open end of the muffler. I had a 1-3/4 but I didn't like it. The 2" works best right now. Just thought you'd want to know.
Chappellj, I like this mod and will most likely do it too. Is the 2-1/4 to 2" reducer for fitting purposes or to add a little restriction?
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Jacksonville, Florida | vegas99 - 2010-12-10 4:47 PM
what type of hanger did you use I am having trouble finding anything that will work
Pipe strap. Home depot has it. You will need bolts also.
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orrick, mo | I've added the thrush mufflers to my ride last weekend and love the sound. The only problem I'm having
is getting the system to seal up. No matter how much I tighten the stock clamps It won't stop leaking.
May have to try the regular type car muffler clamps. Unfortunately it snowed the same day I installed the muffler so no seat time yet. I can't wait to ride into work. I work in a cave and they will sound BADASS
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LaPorte,Tx. | buzz64077 - 2010-12-14 3:32 PM
I've added the thrush mufflers to my ride last weekend and love the sound. The only problem I'm having
is getting the system to seal up. No matter how much I tighten the stock clamps It won't stop leaking.
May have to try the regular type car muffler clamps. Unfortunately it snowed the same day I installed the muffler so no seat time yet. I can't wait to ride into work. I work in a cave and they will sound BADASS
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orrick, mo | Sorry to say it but my VV is not black its blue but I can still ride it like Batman. |
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| buzz64077 - 2010-12-14 4:32 PM
I've added the thrush mufflers to my ride last weekend and love the sound. The only problem I'm having
is getting the system to seal up. No matter how much I tighten the stock clamps It won't stop leaking.
May have to try the regular type car muffler clamps. Unfortunately it snowed the same day I installed the muffler so no seat time yet. I can't wait to ride into work. I work in a cave and they will sound BADASS
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I know this will sound funny but use permatex copper ultra it is heat resistant to 700F. Pull the muffler and put a small bead around the lead edge before you slip the muffler back on and that will seal it back up. |
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Tomball, Texas | I did this mod on mine and got to looking and when you bolt the resonator on if you turn it the right way you can run one of the bolts that hold it on through the back hole that held the stock mufflers on for a little more support. Have been running these for a couple of weeks now and it seems like most of the popping is gone. |
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| Take your hacksaw and put some more cuts in the muffler. If you need straps to hold the mufflre in place look on craigslist for a guy that welds
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Green Bay, WI United States | Got my speakers hooked up on my computer. This is the exact sound I am looking for. As deep and profound as I know!!! Thanks for the memories...
Ride hard, ride fast, but above all - ride safe....
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Tomball, Texas | You can find the tips at orielly 's auto parts |
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REXBURG IDAHO | puddle jumper great thinking on the thrush mod. do you have the part number for the resontoers? |
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orrick, mo | I got to ride in to work today. First time with the Thrush exhaust. They echo through out the whole cave.
Sounds bad ass. Maybe I shake down some loose rocks on the ceiling. To bad no HDs rode in to catch them. |
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orrick, mo | I have a friend is going to buy a Cross Country com Feb. or March. Has anyone heard of anybody doing this mod on the cross bikes. Can it be done fitment wise? |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Do you think the 35" Thrush mufflers will work also? My main concern is that the 31" may be louder than I want. The extra 4" should give a quieter, deeper sound. They also increased the inner pipe size from 2" to 2 1/2" allowing the gasses to expand and slow a little in the chamber. The outer diameter is 4" though, will that still work behind the shield?
Any thoughts about sound volume and quality?
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| To LIVV and jeffmack. Thats why I am using these tips. 1) It fits the end of the muffler perfectly. 2) They look great and come with their own clamps. 3) They are double walled so the inner part you see in the first picture runs the length of the tip so when the exhaust gas enters it goes the length of the tip then has to come back before going out, that should help sound and give them back presure. 4) SS means no chrome to rust or pit. 5) These tips are 3-3/4" and 12" long but don't look like it in the pictures. The extra length should look awsome sticking out the back of the bike and help gain back a little tourqe. The only thing I will do different when intallation time comes is to use the tip-overs so I don't have to lay on the ground. I won't be able to do the mod untill I get all the orders done for the armrest. I am making 2 sets a week. I can only work on one thing at a time in the cold. Dain
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Green Bay, WI United States | Just a comment, I was told by a dealer that when you change the fuel injection with any type of controller this will tend to take out your MAP sensor. I have the Lloydz VFC on the TCD and on the last ride of this year the "check engine" light came on again, which was a MAP sensor back in the spring. I had de-tuned it for The Fall Ride at Tomahawk and then again late Fall because it was running too rich and getting no gas mileage. Just an FYI to all! Have a Merry Christmas!!!
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flagstaff, AZ | Well I just did this mod. WOW, love the sound and love the cost even more (Lot better sounding than stock or S1 ). This is hands down the best/easiest modification I've done to my Vision. I don't have the tips yet because I can't decide which to get. I really want to thank chappellj for posting this. |
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REXBURG IDAHO | puddle jumper. thanks so much for the great idea for the thrushers just put them on and took the vision for a spin at 8 o pm with the temp at minus 8 degress no popping and sounds great evan in cold idaho. |
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vero beach,fl | Well finally got the day off to put these glass packs on it sounds so good.Like a big block chevelle,nice.Took seven hours to do lunch parts more food,you know the routine.I welded on all my brackets so that took some time but the end result is the bomb.thanks chappell |
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| To Nozzledog and others looking for tips for this mod. Here is a link to Ebay and these tips have mini mufflers built in. You already know I went with the dynomax tips but here's these. Dain
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Austin, Texas | Okay, so I broke down and did this mod. The hardest part (for me) was getting the stock mufflers off...the one on the left side did NOT want to come off. Anyway, the only real issue I have is that the left side sticks out away from the bike about 1/2" more than the right side. I'm not sure why other than it appears that the pipe could maybe use a bit more bend in it where the muffler attached. I loosened the clamps and this is as good as it gets.
FYI, I did not use any reducer in the system. I may add one just to see what the difference is at some point.
It is a LOT louder than stock...but I love the sound. I'll keep checking for loosening of the tips but so far everything is staying tight. I'm getting a small pop now and then on decel, not sure where that is coming from.
I just wanted to share my experience. It was a good mod for the money.
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Thanks Dain! I just got the mufflers in the mail today, found some light-up tips on ebay for $15/pr that I'm going to try. I still may go with a quieter tip though, or I may try to make a tuning disc for them, or both. We shall see. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | I know several more folks will do this mod in the future. If you would, see if there is a weight difference from stock to the Thrust mod and post the result. Thanks. |
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REXBURG IDAHO | i just did the the thrush pipes and the new ends and the factory number for the rol xtreme tips are 582416. |
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vero beach,fl | I got my tips at discount auto parts |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Post pics when you get the 12" tips on, I am curious how far they stick out.
I like the idea of the exhaust taking a few turns to get out to quiet it down a little. Tell me if you notice much difference from no tip/tip.
I am concerned about a lack of backpressure with the Thrush muffler. Only a Dyno will tell if you end up with a mid RPM hole in torque.
Got the mufflers sitting in the garage, just waiting for tips.
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Austin, Texas | I'll chime in again...I took a longer ride today and the only thing I have an issue with is that there is a resonance that just gives me a headache after about 30 minutes. It just booms in my head (am I getting old now?) and I will need to find a way to tame it. I'm wondering if adding the 2 1/4" to 2" reducer would have an effect on this. I'm also going to a proper clamp-on tip that seals the exhaust all the way to the end of the tip (I'm using the tip from O'Reilly which just has the three bolts that clamp down on it but leave an opening).
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Jacksonville, Florida | Glad my post has been helpful to folks. Once again, I am not the originator, just made a video about it.
proffsionl - 2011-01-02 7:12 PM
I'll chime in again...I took a longer ride today and the only thing I have an issue with is that there is a resonance that just gives me a headache after about 30 minutes. It just booms in my head (am I getting old now?) and I will need to find a way to tame it. I'm wondering if adding the 2 1/4" to 2" reducer would have an effect on this. I'm also going to a proper clamp-on tip that seals the exhaust all the way to the end of the tip (I'm using the tip from O'Reilly which just has the three bolts that clamp down on it but leave an opening).
Any ideas are welcome on this!
Thanks!
I used safety wire from one of the 3 bolts to an exhaust mount just to make sure the tips wouldn't decide to let go. I have about 1000 miles with it and I don't see any difference in torque or the way it runs, popping is occasional, usually only when cold.
The drone will always be a problem with loud pipes if you are wearing an over the ear helmet. With my 1/2 head helmet I don't have an issue. I worked extensively on my 3/4 head helmet to quiet it down with my previous bike (which was insanely loud compared to this). I dampened the echo by gluing dense foam in the ear cover area. Nearly stopped all of the annoying noises that bounce around in there.
When I ride for more than a scat accross town I use a light grade of ear plug. I can still hear my intercomm fine, but it protects my ears from the loud noises for extended periods. Learned that working on Airplanes, there isn't anyway to get a new set of ears.
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Midlothian, Va. | Can anyone tell me if the header pipe fits into the Thrust muffler tightly. I have had a devil of a time getting the back end straight as far as tightness. This is worse than doing plumbing if that's possible and I haven't even torn the bike down yet.
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Tomball, Texas | I took the mufflers to a muffler shop and had them expand the end of the muffler a little and it seemed to work well. |
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vero beach,fl | I just made some cuts about an inch long on the glass pack end and used the clamp to tighten them up |
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Midlothian, Va. | Got mine on today and using the same tips that Dain is using. ?  ?
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New Bohemia, Va | sometimes even the marines need help...that when you call in the Army Airborne, more specifically the 82nd
Looks good! I like that set-up and I'd like to hear how it sounds.
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Midlothian, Va. | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-01-17 10:06 PM sometimes even the marines need help...that when you call in the Army Airborne, more specifically the 82nd Looks good! I like that set-up and I'd like to hear how it sounds.At least I can operate an M-16, thanks for helping an old man.
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| Biscuit, Looks great, I only wish it was warm enough to do mine. How do they sound? Can you post pictures of a side shot I would like to see how well the shieds fit the tips. From that view it looks like they fit great. Exhaust envy Dain |
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Midlothian, Va. | Dain - 2011-01-18 8:25 AM Biscuit, Looks great, I only wish it was warm enough to do mine. How do they sound? Can you post pictures of a side shot I would like to see how well the shieds fit the tips. From that view it looks like they fit great. Exhaust envy DainThanks Dain. They fit perfect to the tips but not as good at the front but is not that noticeable. You either have to use the step up for the tips to match the muffler which will extend the tips even further or do like I did and weld the tips to the muffler. I asked my muffler man about the life of these mufflers and he said on a bike forever so it then was a easy decision to weld. Unless the fit is very tight clamps won't work and the tips will be very loose. The sound, well I've I've always had loud exhaust on my cruisers but because of the wind management on the Vision even in 6th gear they are still loud or maybe I've just gotten use the quiet sound of the OEM exhaust. Here's the picture attempt and I hope the Army won't have to bail me out again. 
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New Bohemia, Va | Thanks for taking the dive on this one Biscuit, I really do like this look.
Everything it seems I would like to do is always tomorrow. Hopefully, when I get the need for new mufflers, probably 2 years from now, it will be time to open up my Vision with intake, cams and exhaust for the next 100,000 miles.
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REXBURG IDAHO | JUST WAS ABLE TO GET OUT AND DO A RIDE ON THE BIKE AFTER DOING THE THRUSH MOD AND AT 0 DEGREES THERE WAS NO BACK FIRING AT ALL |
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| Your welcome Biscuit, I knew these ends wolud look great sticking out the back and fit great to the shield. Thats why I bought them. Just wish I had the temps to go and put them on. And by the way mine will be out the back a little farther then yours because of the 2 1/4 to 2 1/2 reducer so it will make them longer under the chrome shield. I am glad you used the ends I suggested, but wish I had gotten them on first. Lastly did you notice any dif in power or does it feel the same as it did before? You will notice it more on the freeway at about 65mph when you roll on the gass hard. Dain
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Midlothian, Va. | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-01-18 9:36 AM Thanks for taking the dive on this one Biscuit, I really do like this look. Everything it seems I would like to do is always tomorrow. Hopefully, when I get the need for new mufflers, probably 2 years from now, it will be time to open up my Vision with intake, cams and exhaust for the next 100,000 miles. If you will, take a step picture of the whole bike, or I hope to see it soon, its about time for a lunch ride.Retired so most any day is good for me.
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Midlothian, Va. | Dain - 2011-01-19 9:44 PM Your welcome Biscuit, I knew these ends wolud look great sticking out the back and fit great to the shield. Thats why I bought them. Just wish I had the temps to go and put them on. And by the way mine will be out the back a little farther then yours because of the 2 1/4 to 2 1/2 reducer so it will make them longer under the chrome shield. I am glad you used the ends I suggested, but wish I had gotten them on first. Lastly did you notice any dif in power or does it feel the same as it did before? You will notice it more on the freeway at about 65mph when you roll on the gass hard. DainPower increase on the highway not really but even in 6th gear this 106 engine can haul the freight. There is no need to drop down to 5th. I went out today for about 80 miles of just cruising and some hard interstate and did notice more popping than than the very first day and tomorrow I will check the muffler to head pipe and see if I have any leaks. What I like about this is the unique sound that I've never heard before on a bike.
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Jacksonville, Florida | Nice job Biscuit. I like those tips. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Yeah!!! just did the mod. It sounds great! Apparently my bike had S1L1 pipes on it from the dealer and I didn't know, so its already been remapped and the is NO popping at all. Not noticibly louder, but much deeper. I think the CA model bikes prevent it from being too loud (lots of dampening stuff between engine and pipes).
Went with different tips. found them on E-bay, $20/pair shipped
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flagstaff, AZ | I really like the look of those tips. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Those LED rings wired into the tips or did you add afterburners?
Come with the tips or did you add it? Kinda cool. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | They came with it, just google LED Exhaust tips. |
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Corona, CA | Nozzledog - we're going to have to get together ! We're doing all the same mods and could really compare notes on what is effective.
I have Atom Bombs on my 08 and they sound great. Semi quiet when at idle but when you lean on it - they bark !
I bought the Thrush mufflers and installed one on the right side and left the Atom Bomb on the other. I started the bike and revved it but I could not tell any difference between to two so I took the Thrush off. This was not a real fair test of the mufflers and they might perform better under acceleration than the Thrush.
I may just go ahead and fab up the mounts for the Thrush mufflers and try them for awhile to see if there is an improvement in the long distance riding comfort (for the wifal unit).
I am going to cut the front and rear parts off the stock muffler and weld them to the Thrush so that I have the stock mounts for the front and back and I can mount my Gatling tips as I would stock pipes. That way they will fit like stock and be secure.
When I was on a ride last week on Hwy 1, I got a lot of time to listen to how the Atom Bombs work at different throttle settings and when I really laid into it going up hills (2 up).
What I found is that they are really loud when accelerating and going up hills. So much so that my wife is not real happy with them on a long cruise.
My question is - has anyone gone from Atom Bombs to the Thrush mufflers ? What did you experience ?
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Atom Bombs sound alot like Cycledragon pipes. They take the stock can and pack it differently with a straight thru shot. The Atom Bombs use a 2.25 hole all the way thru, cycledragon wouldnt tell me what theirs was, just said small enough so it was quite didn't need a remap. The Thrushes are 2" so I was expecting a lot of volume but didn't get it. I think my bike being a California model has a lot to do with that. I mainly went with the Thrush because of the price and that I had an unlimited choice of tips. I thought I was going to have to quite them down somehow, but nope, they are perfect. If I want them louder I can add a resonator tip.
I wouldn't mind adding permanent mounts to it however, but I won't scrap the S1L1s I had.
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Tom, is your bike a California model? I am curious how much it makes a difference in volume. Maybe we can compare tomorrow. PM me and will get some lunch. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Well took it for a ride up to Hell's Kitchen today just to break in the new pipes and I'm even more impressed! I don't think the Screaming Eagles I had on my Harley sounded this good. Yes, they are louder, but it's only noticable when laying it on. Otherwise it's just a nice deep tone. I think I'll ride Mt. Baldy tomorrow to see how they sound in a tunnel. |
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Trenton,Nova Scotia,Canada | Can The Gatlin Tips Be Used? |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Only if you weld the stock brackets back on to the Thrush mufflers. |
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Perry Hall, MD | bchickness - 2011-01-30 12:46 PM
Can The Gatlin Tips Be Used?
I did the cherry bomb mod and use Gatlin Tips. The set up should be the same. Hope that the photos help to clarify the description.
For strength and friction I used threaded galvanized plumbing pipe that fit into the extensions off of the back of the muffler. Use a Dremel type tool to grind out a little material from the back of the Gatlins to permit the pipe to recess into it about 1/2 ". Use stainless bolts nuts and lock washers (sorry I don't remember the sizes). Run the center of the three mounting bolts up to the pipe and tighten enough to mark where it makes contact - drill a hole to allow the bolt to pass through - (the pipe is heavy enough that you could probably use a smaller drill bit and tap it). As you screw the bolt in thread on a nut and then put on a lock washer before it goes into the pipe. When it goes into the pipe place another lock washer and nut on it. You will want this second nut to start as soon as it can as there isn't much room to tighten it from inside the pipe - finish screwing it in and tighten both nuts towards each other to lock it on. The other two bolts will be shorter so that they just tighten up against the outside of the pipe - use a lock washer on each of these.
One issue I need to go back and take care of is sealing up the back of the tips around the pipe. At the right angle you can see the mounting set up through them. This should have been done before I mounted the tips, but live and learn.
Anyway it can be done. Excuse the ugly photos as I was out riding in some snowy slush this morning.
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Corona, CA | <<Tom, is your bike a California model?>>
No it is not. I bought it from a guy in Michigan.
I wish I has seen your posts earlier, I would have liked to meet up with you. I was busy Friday with a Patriot Guard mission from Garden Grove to Riverside Cemetery.
I took a long ride yesterday and just had fun playing with my Go Pro camera.
I sent you a PM - give me a call and we'll compare notes on the stuff we've done. I work from home so anytime is good for me. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Is this normal? It's only on the right side.
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| I would say it is, as most of your heat and air volume exits the right pipe. |
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Trenton,Nova Scotia,Canada | Just Removed My Exhaust To,Noticed In My Pipe There Is A Baffle Or Something In One Side Only,Took This Pic Of it.Is That The Way Its Should Be?
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PINELLAS PARK, FL. | BCHICKNESS, I WAS TOLD THAT THAT IS THE CAT CONVERTRER. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Mine has it too. Is yours a Cali model? |
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Trenton,Nova Scotia,Canada | Not Sure On The Model,But Why Only On 1 Side? |
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| They are in the crossover also, They are honeycomb diffusers that help your mid range HP and torque don't mess with them. They also allow heat to be maintained in the head pipe long enough to avoid tweeking a valve. They are not cats, that would be an additional component mounted externally. |
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Trenton,Nova Scotia,Canada | Thanks Good To Know. |
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Trenton,Nova Scotia,Canada | I Had S!L1,Just Installed The Thrush,Will I Have To Get Remapped ? |
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| I bought my Cross Roads with a Stage 1 set up and like it enough. I don't love it but I like it. Following this thread I decided to take a plunge and attempt to do the thrush mod on my XR. The issue I'm running into is the glass pack is too close for my liking to the saddle bags. On the stock exhaust and the stage 1 exhaust the exhaust drops approximately 1.5 inches from the head pipe then back. The stock pipe has an odd hickey to it. A buddy of mine and I have a couple of idea on resolving this but I'd like to keep this in the spirit of the original mod. Cheap, easy, and off the shelf if possible.
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | I went from S1L1 to thrush without any remap nor any popping. I still have a heat issue, don't know if a remap would do anything for that though. |
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| I've pretty much figured out everything to get this thrush mod done on a Cross bike. It's not as simple due to the stock exhaust design. Still though I'm keeping this as an off the shelf mod as possible. Some fabricating or competent exhaust shop work will be required I'm afraid. I'll post on the Cross bike forum here later with a complete how to. Thanks to the originators of this mod! Your experimentation inspired me! |
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, AR United States | Here is a video of my 09 Vision with the Thrush mod
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Midlothian, Va. | BillyJoe - 2011-03-13 11:40 PM Here is a video of my 09 Vision with the Thrush mod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3hJzADkS6AOn a deserted road a guy pulls out in front of you. What is it with these clowns in a cage? Had a guy do that to me the other day with nobody in site behind me and then go one block and hang a right.
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| I finished the glass pack install on my Crossroads. Consider yourselves lucky to have a direct fit/bolt on mod. It took a bit of fabrication to get the glass pack to fit but it's well worth it.
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Lansing, MI | DAMN! Those sound bad ass on your CR!!!
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DeRidder, LA | Installed glasspacks today, love the sound. Fabbing some brackets on Thursday and tacking the tips to make it rock solid. Got a compliment on the sound on my test ride. What to change now?????? Still need to finish my brushed aliminum to carbon fiber vinyl transformation. |
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| Love the exhaust mod! I have a question for you. Your signature talks about a custom passenger backrest. What is that about. I have been looking for something for when I take my trunk off but haven't been able to come up with anything yet. |
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| I have a Stage 2 exhaust that is on the Vision I just bought. Can I still do the Thrush mod with these style of pipes? I havent picked up the bike yet and dont know if the chrome heat shields are like the stock ones or not. Really want to do this mod when I get the bike. Hope I am not disappointed!
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Albuquerque, NM | The Stage 1L2's are one piece units. There are no removeable heat shields. Check your local dealers. Some throw customers stock mufflers w/heatshields away. Hopefully, you can find a nice set. |
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| You all think its a great sound and I'm not saying it isn't. But get off your bike stand on the side of the road and have some one ride it pass you now you will know what it sounds like for sure.
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| I just did this on my vision. Sounds unbelievable, love this mod. Spent about 60 bucks. Took about three hours to install. The only thing I am not sure of is the thrush mounting. I have One muffler clamp holding it on the back side, which gives it side support, but nothing givng it support on the top. Cant use a clamp for the original 2 top holes, the clamp is in the way of the chrome guard. Any great ideas on mounting?
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| re; the mounting. I had a local metal shop fabricate a bracket that utilized the hole, where the rear factory muffler was bolted on, I used a bolt and nut and lock washer and blue loctite to fasten the bracket to the OEM hole, and then they tacked welded the other end of the bracket to the muffler. seems pretty solid.
I spent a lot of time with various exhaust/muffler pieces of hardware, etc. from the auto parts store trying to fashion something for the rear of the muffler to help support the muffler.
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Virginia Beach, VA | is this a mod the average non mechanically inclined person can do? I really hate my 11 vision being so quiet. And due to the bustling economy money is tight to say the least. |
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| You all have hear of Klocks flip shield well here is his car with yes Thrust
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Albuquerque, NM | "is this a mod the average non mechanically inclined person can do? I really hate my 11 vision being so quiet. And due to the bustling economy money is tight to say the least."
Don't think so.
You've got to remove the saddlebag covers, left and right lower panels, remove both mufflers/heat shields. Thrush mufflesr are 3" diam...stock are 4" so you'll need some type of spacer to make up for 1" difference otherwise, you will crush your chrome heat shields when you tighten the clamps. They you'll have to fab up a couple of brackets to attach the end of your mufflers to the frame brackets. Also fab up a way to mount your tips. Went thru this on the cherry bombs I took off. Wasn't pretty underneath but they sounded nice. Slightly louder than S1L1's.
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Not as hard as it sounds. You can remove the mufflers without dismantling the saddlebags if you are patient. if not, it is fairly easy to take off the lower skirt anyway. This thread..... http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7995 has most of the info you will need ( and . . http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7997 explains some of the pics). Should cost about $20 in mounting hardware. I had NO idea what I was doing when I started. |
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| JUST DID THIS TO MY 2008 VISION,
the install : I used the 24205 thrush muffler from advance auto parts, $22.99 each and i used the 25556 tips from orriely's about $28 each. copper permatex, 4 " clamps 10 each., i laid the bike on its side to work on the left side, (harder side). On the heat shield reinstall, i only used spacers on the front clamps not the rear. make sure you install the tips before the heat shield, seated all the way, then the last clamp on the heat shield will go on after (outer part) the end tip bolts, this will further prevent them from coming off.
yes it sounds awesome.... for next to nothing....and i work for a victory dealer, the sound needed to impress upon the whole staff,...IT DOES. i do have some very minor popping on decel but I still need to re-tighten those factory exhaust clamps after its warmed up. I no longer hear that noisy transmission
I do plan on a remap, and a dyno tune (we Have one).
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East Bridgewater, Ma. | hi Joel,
This sounds awesome. i just bought an 08 vision and a grand for an exhaust upgrade! Ouch. I just called advanced auto and they are in stock.
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Make sure not to leave off ANY of the muffler hangers. The Vision has three securing points for a reason. I was using muffler straps on the two off the saddlebags and the front one came loose on the left muffler, but I didn't worry about it because the back strap and the rear bolt by the tips was holding fine. A couple months down the road and I find a cracked weld all the way around on the crossover. It had to be from the stress of the muffler not being supported fully by all three hangers. Luckly I found a muffler welder who could weld it on the bike when I tipped the bike all the way onto the right tipovers with the mirror almost hitting the floor. The guy was amazed I could do that.
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Puddle Jumper
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East Bridgewater, Ma. | Hi ssgcyborg,
what was the purpose of the permatex?
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New user
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| Oh I wanna do this mod so BAD! But, I just had my neck/spine fused last week. Any of you guys want to come down to Amarillo and help a brother out? hahahahah |
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| nailer - 2012-06-24 2:10 PM The Stage 1L2's are one piece units. There are no removeable heat shields. Check your local dealers. Some throw customers stock mufflers w/heatshields away. Hopefully, you can find a nice set. you can reuse your stock heat shields but you need new clamps and you can get them at auto store |
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