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Prescott Valley, AZ | I've read the "current" thread on this subject and understand what was said, however, this thread is a year old, surely many of our members here have long since past the 30,000 mile mark. So I once again raise the question on replacement at the 30K service. My belt "looks" okay with no cracking or other damage. I have the "extended warranty" which is for four additional years although it is an aftermarket warranty and not backed by Polaris. How many of us have had the belt changed at the 30K scheduled replacement and how many have left the belt on the bike and just keep an eye on it???? |
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Ruskin, Fl | I'm approaching 34,000 and my belt looks like new. I have no plans on changing it for a while. |
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Tucson, AZ | 56k on my belt, all is good.
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New Bohemia, VA | here's my take on the drive belt. I changed the original at 45,500 mile exactly and I felt it still looked like brand new. In fact I had to be careful as the only way to tell the original from the new belt is that the old belt had a brown hue to it. The pulley looked a little warn but nothing I was really concerned about. About 25,000 into the new belt while doing a close inspection prior to my trip to Cali I noticed a distinct wear on the pull side of the lugs and on the pulley. Initially I thought this would stymie my trip as I was just days away from departing, but opted to give it a shot anyways. Here I am another 10,000 miles past that and I'm still riding on the same belt without any issues or noises. When I change the belt this time I've got to replace the pulley, but I'm approaching 40,000 miles on this one. My personal opinion is that this belt will go about 100,000 or 4 years, whichever comes first.
I think belt breakage is for the most part due to age of the belt, but of course use has a lot to do with it as well. In doing research on belt breakage, not sciencetific mind you, belts were breaking because of 1) Age, 10 year old, but only had 8,000 miles on it or something like that, or 2) extreme abuse, constant burnouts, power take offs, etc. 3) I must not leave out picking up a rock or other type damage.
I don't recommend you going beyond the 30,000 miles as indicated by the book, but just want to share my current experience, at my own risk.
Edited by varyder 2010-10-30 5:57 AM
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New Mexico | I've got black 'soot' on my back rim, mainly on belt side. I adjusted my belt and seemed to stay cleaner for a while, but now is back. Is this the belt deteriorating, or a normal condition for a belt-driven bike?
Second quick question/comment - Was talking to a guy who was looking over the Vision. He is a long-time Harley rider, but was admiring the engineering of the bike. One of the things he mentioned was "Oh, they did it right by putting the drive belt on the right side". Was he just talking about aesthetics, or is there a real reason for the placement? |
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Memphis | Boots - 2010-10-30 8:59 AM I've got black 'soot' on my back rim, mainly on belt side. I adjusted my belt and seemed to stay cleaner for a while, but now is back. Is this the belt deteriorating, or a normal condition for a belt-driven bike? Second quick question/comment - Was talking to a guy who was looking over the Vision. He is a long-time Harley rider, but was admiring the engineering of the bike. One of the things he mentioned was "Oh, they did it right by putting the drive belt on the right side". Was he just talking about aesthetics, or is there a real reason for the placement? When I was looking at the Vision back in '07 I asked my dealer the same question. "Did Victory put the belt drive on the right side just to be different or was there a reason?" He said "Balance." I said "Huh?" He went on to explain that it was to balance the transfer of power. The engine to transmission torque is on the left side while the transmission to wheel torque is on the right. If you look at the super high horsepower v-twins (true race bikes, even Harleys) they almost always have a chain drive on the right side. Just another reason I bought a Vision sight unseen. |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...thanks for 'splainin' it for us SF. It's another reason I like the belt better over a shaft drive, no twist... |
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| Say the other day I saw stringy things hanging from the bottom of the bike it was just the silicone from gluing the two motor haves together
When I checked my belt and there must have been 2 inches of play. Now i am scared so I roll the vision into the middle of the garage and now the belt is
tight. Whats up with that??
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New Bohemia, VA | sitting too much...there's always a tight spot, that is where you adjust it from, and a loose spot. It just may feel it is two inches, but that depends on what play you have on the tight spot... |
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New Mexico | SongFan - 2010-10-30 10:54 AM
He went on to explain that it was to balance the transfer of power.? The engine to transmission torque is on the left side while the transmission to wheel torque is on the right.? If you look at the super high horsepower v-twins (true race bikes, even Harleys) they almost always have a chain drive on the right side.
Dang! The older I get the less I knew! Thanks, SongFan.
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| 36 k on my belt. good as new. I will take it to about 55k....will have to replace then as I will be rolling for a Alaska trip from Georgia in late spring of 2012 |
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Central New York | VR - That's one of the things I didn't like about the 'wing'. That feeling you get that makes you think it's getting ready to jump over a fence. Especially on a hill when your feathering the break and clutch as the light changes. |
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Salisbury, NC | varyder - 2010-10-30 5:53 AM here's my take on the drive belt. I changed the original at 45,500 mile exactly and I felt it still looked like brand new. In fact I had to be careful as the only way to tell the original from the new belt is that the old belt had a brown hue to it. The pulley looked a little warn but nothing I was really concerned about. About 25,000 into the new belt while doing a close inspection prior to my trip to Cali I noticed a distinct wear on the pull side of the lugs and on the pulley. Initially I thought this would stymie my trip as I was just days away from departing, but opted to give it a shot anyways. Here I am another 10,000 miles past that and I'm still riding on the same belt without any issues or noises. When I change the belt this time I've got to replace the pulley, but I'm approaching 40,000 miles on this one. My personal opinion is that this belt will go about 100,000 or 4 years, whichever comes first. I think belt breakage is for the most part due to age of the belt, but of course use has a lot to do with it as well. In doing research on belt breakage, not sciencetific mind you, belts were breaking because of 1) Age, 10 year old, but only had 8,000 miles on it or something like that, or 2) extreme abuse, constant burnouts, power take offs, etc. 3) I must not leave out picking up a rock or other type damage. I don't recommend you going beyond the 30,000 miles as indicated by the book, but just want to share my current experience, at my own risk. The belt you mentioned breaking at ten years old was mine on the 99 C. When I replaced the belt, it also had a bad bearing on the belt side. Which may have played a role in the belt breaking. ET |
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LaPorte,Tx. | john frey - 2010-10-30 11:14 AM
Say the other day I saw stringy things hanging from the bottom of the bike it was just the silicone from gluing the two motor haves together
When I checked my belt and there must have been 2 inches of play. Now i am scared so I roll the vision into the middle of the garage and now the belt is
tight. Whats up with that??
John, temperature makes a big difference in the belt tension. |
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Ruskin, Fl | I jusy called the dealer to see if they had one in stock. Answer, yes. $275. Holy S***! |
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New Bohemia, Va | cw if you're talking $275 for a drive belt, you better go get it NOW! I hope the prices have come down to that, if not, what dealer is this and do they have more in stock, please. |
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, IA | 42,000 on my 3rd belt first was driver error god only knows y #2 hope 3rd lasts longer |
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New Bohemia, Va | Soinc - I'm not sure what is going on but that is much too many times. 45,000 on my first belt and wish I was still running it today, as it didn't even look like it needed changing. I've got 42,000 on my second belt and it is worn as is the pulley, but I'm not ready to change it now. What did your belt look like to make you change it? Just curious, and sorry you've had that spell with the belts. Also, how tight are you keeping the belt. On the Vision I would venture to say it is the looser than any bike out there. |
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Santa Maria CA | I have 57,000 miles on my belt, belt looks fine. The bike is on my lift so I can change the belt , new brakes and paint my wheels to match the bike and change fork oil and fork seals. Love my bike |
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| A friend has a harley road glide and traded it in with a 130 thousand on the original belt. All he ever did was clean it. All belts are made by gates.
When harlet first went to a belt back in 86 I think they to said change at 25 thousand. Now they say inspect at 25 thousand intervals.
Are belts are no different then theirs. Keep it clean and keep it a lined.
If you have black suit on your belt you have a exhaust leak. If the clamp is tight then pull the muffler and add a couple cross hatched cuts with a hack saw and put it back on. That should do it. |
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Ruskin, Fl | Cap'N Nemo, That was St Pete Powersports. I thought it was high and called a Victory dealer in Lakeland and was quoted $282. I am taking it apart now. What a retarded design! Having to f**k with the exhaust to get one screw out of the front pulley cover. Ness did call be back. The inside flange of the rear pulley is held on with a set screw somehow. Didn't get that far yet. |
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New Bohemia, Va | I've done it enough now, pulling the exhaust, that replacing the belt would be a piece of cake, even if I had to do it on the side of the road. That was my first major concern in replacing the belt and the ability to replace roadside. I would agree though, it is way too much stuff just to do it. I wish there was redesign to allow roadside replacement. The last time I got a belt I believe I paid well over 300 clams for it that was on sale. |
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dinwiddie, va | Changing the drive belt is alot easier on the vision. Compared to having to pull the entire primary off of a HD. It's a pretty mindless task. I can understand wanting to be able to change a belt on the side of the road if something happens. But who carries a spare belt around with them. Seems like it would take up more space then it would be worth. Wow a belt for more then $300? Thats crazy! They retail today for $282. I think thats as high as they have ever been, if I remember correctly.
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New Bohemia, Va | ...and I was wrong on the belt price, bad memory...now where did I put my glasses? Oh, they're on my face....
...and on carrying a belt, consider on a hard ride in the middle of nowhere with no cell phone reception and not a house in sight, it would be space well spent, maybe...
I thought many times rolling through the najavo reservation or across Nevada, "I should have carried my belt", sure, I never had to use it, but if.... okay, agruements on both sides...
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| If you ever carry a extra belt with you keep it in the biggest loop you can.
They have found if you put the belt in tight bends the belt will brake where one of the tight bend was. |
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dinwiddie, va | Cap'n Nemo - 2011-02-25 11:19 AM
...and I was wrong on the belt price, bad memory...now where did I put my glasses? Oh, they're on my face....
...and on carrying a belt, consider on a hard ride in the middle of nowhere with no cell phone reception and not a house in sight, it would be space well spent, maybe...
I thought many times rolling through the najavo reservation or across Nevada, "I should have carried my belt", sure, I never had to use it, but if.... okay, agruements on both sides...
No I understand! Some of us do things to prevent a bad situation. Others have the situation slap us in the face and say"SH*%, I knew I should have brought that!" |
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