Pulstar Pulse Plug
Boots
Posted 2010-10-03 3:25 PM (#70882)
Subject: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Anyone heard of these? Recommendations?
http://www.pulstar.com/index.htm
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"It?s called a pulse plug ? and here's why its technology should be in your engine.

Until now, every gallon of gas you bought was ignited by a simple spark plug- an outdated technology that has barely changed in 100 years. But now you can change to a new eco-friendly pulse plug that uses an advanced technology to make every drop of gas burn better and cleaner.

Here's how it works: Electrical energy from the engine?s ignition coil is stored in the built-in capacitor. At the exact moment needed, that energy is released in an amazingly powerful and quick (two nanosecond) high-energy pulse.

The result: The improved combustion efficiency burns fuel sooner and more effectively, which equals improved mpg, less CO2 based emissions, and better overall drivability. Even the green get greener! For example, in this EPA US06 fuel consumption lab test, even the icon of fuel economy and eco-friendliness- the Toyota Prius- saw notable improvements in mpg.

This new technology is based on plasma research supported by the world famous Sandia National Laboratories ? and yes, that's definitely rocket science."

Edited by Boots 2010-10-03 3:25 PM
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2010-10-03 3:56 PM (#70883 - in reply to #70882)
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ive heard of them , but know nothign about them. i know there is forums that talk about that exact product..
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VRat
Posted 2010-10-03 5:19 PM (#70885 - in reply to #70882)
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These new and improved spark plugs have come and gone over the years. Most did nothing, some in the the proper application may have had some benefit. I will stick with the NGK's, I know they will perform exactly as they were intended.
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Prime Power
Posted 2010-10-03 7:18 PM (#70894 - in reply to #70882)
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I have these and am happy. About 2k with them now. I have less exhaust black soot on the gatlin tips so that is good enough for me. I believe with those and the ness twin sucker I have about 1.5mpg improvement. I did the plugs first so I know they help with the soot.
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turbobuick
Posted 2010-10-03 7:50 PM (#70904 - in reply to #70894)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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What make,model, & year do you have these in?
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Prime Power
Posted 2010-10-03 8:16 PM (#70906 - in reply to #70882)
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hoosiervic
Posted 2010-10-03 8:28 PM (#70909 - in reply to #70906)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Prime Power - 2010-10-03 9:16 PM 09 Vision

 What is the pulstar part number that fits the Vision?

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Kelvininin
Posted 2010-10-03 8:32 PM (#70910 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: RE: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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This is purely a gimmick. Spark plugs provide the activation energy required to propagate a flame front in the combustion/power stroke in the engine. Apply more activation energy will buy you little to nothing. You may see an advantage if you have two plugs per cylinder considering the shear size of the Victory cylinders, but we only have one port.
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2010-10-03 8:35 PM (#70911 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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http://www.e3sparkplugs.com/

lol
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savage
Posted 2010-10-03 8:43 PM (#70912 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: RE: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Boots - 2010-10-03 3:25 PM

Anyone heard of these? Recommendations?
http://www.pulstar.com/index.htm
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"It?s called a pulse plug ? and here's why its technology should be in your engine.

Until now, every gallon of gas you bought was ignited by a simple spark plug- an outdated technology that has barely changed in 100 years. But now you can change to a new eco-friendly pulse plug that uses an advanced technology to make every drop of gas burn better and cleaner.

Here's how it works: Electrical energy from the engine?s ignition coil is stored in the built-in capacitor. At the exact moment needed, that energy is released in an amazingly powerful and quick (two nanosecond) high-energy pulse.

The result: The improved combustion efficiency burns fuel sooner and more effectively, which equals improved mpg, less CO2 based emissions, and better overall drivability. Even the green get greener! For example, in this EPA US06 fuel consumption lab test, even the icon of fuel economy and eco-friendliness- the Toyota Prius- saw notable improvements in mpg.

This new technology is based on plasma research supported by the world famous Sandia National Laboratories ? and yes, that's definitely rocket science."


What a load of crap.......1 Megawatt of power discharged.....please!!!!! Capacitors do not create power, only store it.
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rwilly
Posted 2010-10-03 11:19 PM (#70920 - in reply to #70882)
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"Eco friendly"...I don't like the sound of the that.
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Prime Power
Posted 2010-10-04 5:52 AM (#70924 - in reply to #70910)
Subject: RE: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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I hear you guys and am not saying to go buy them. I am saying I have less black exhaust on my tips now so that means something is right. A lot less. I must be getting a stronger spark or better burn pattern.
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varyder
Posted 2010-10-04 6:03 AM (#70926 - in reply to #70882)
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Hey PP, it ain't a forum unless someone is pulling apart what is being posted. After being a part of this forum for about 3 years now, it has come full circle too many times. The last plug discussion was on the idiums or whatever they are called. I see it this way, if a person "percieves" they are more satisfied with a product others think is hoky, let it be. My Vision is shamefully stocked, right down to the NGK plugs with the exception I'm now running Rotella 5w40 oil and an ST7317 filter, but I'm more than satisfied.
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Prime Power
Posted 2010-10-04 6:06 AM (#70927 - in reply to #70882)
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I understand that, but I'm telling you it's no placebo. Less black soot period. Also they don't get as black as the stock plugs. I used to clean the stockers all the time. I'm not saying go buy them, but I'm happy. I know I was running rich. Now I am less rich. The only mod at the time was the plugs. They must burn hotter or a better pattern helping to get more of an efficient combustion.

Edited by Prime Power 2010-10-04 6:08 AM
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varyder
Posted 2010-10-04 7:32 AM (#70932 - in reply to #70927)
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PP, I'm not disagreeing with you, there are those that naysay, to which I say, if it works for me, then it works until I assess otherwise. It may or may not be something I would personally try. But my overall point is that the information found on any forum has to be taken with a grain of salt. I had an issue that I solved by doing something, but someone pointed out to me that my perception is off because on an automotive principle level it didn't make sense, to which I agree because it is true. Yet, there is another discussion along those same principles that everyone is agreeing with and is contradictory to what I was told, yet no one is chiming in to the negative.

There again, all information on the forum must be taken with a grain of salt.
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wroman
Posted 2010-10-04 9:33 AM (#70936 - in reply to #70882)
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The principle of a capacitor used to store spark energy is interesting. I would think the design of the capacitive element would pose some difficult problems for the designer giving the environment and heat and continuous cycle times. The biggest difference in standard coil ignition and one that employs a capacitor is the duration of the spark. How many people remember CDI? This was Capacitive Discharge Ignition. The biggest benifit was a spark that was reduced in duration. By reducing in time the spark what you had was a very 'short' duration compared to the standard coil ignition which in comparison starts weak gets stronger and ends weak. The time interval we are talking about is fractions of a second. The spark was not stronger in total energy but measured accross any specific time segment it would show greater energy.
There will always be scams out there but this design could show promise. The ignitions on our motorcycles have really not kept up with even GM. Gm has probably the strongest ignitions (hotest spark energy) in the world. They gap there plugs at almost twice what is spec for our Vision.
The auto companys have had to deal with CAFE standards and a buying public that want horsepower at the same time. If motorcycles would have to deal with CAFE standard we might see with very little effort (improved ignitions)our beloved Vision approaching 50-55 MPG instaed of being happy with 40.

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chesshiretuna
Posted 2010-10-04 1:58 PM (#70957 - in reply to #70882)
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Do any racing teams use these.......that would be more of an endorsment of function than the sales brochure....unless of coarse they are sponsoring the winning team..
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XRsteve
Posted 2010-10-04 2:37 PM (#70961 - in reply to #70882)
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I do remember CDI, don't hear much talk about that now. Time tells about all this aftermarket stuuf, it eventually settles everything.........
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Tarpits99
Posted 2010-10-04 3:02 PM (#70963 - in reply to #70882)
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Unless I misunderstand the concept, ALL electronic ignition systems are CDI. Which may be the reason why nobody is making a big issue out of it anymore. This is the technology that superseded points and condensers.

What makes me wonder if this plug concept might be a great idea is one word - INDEXING.

NGK's website claims that properly indexing plugs in an engine can yield a 1% gain in horsepower.

If just changing the orientation of the electrode can gain you more efficient combustion and more horsepower, it's not out of the realm of reality that a change in plug technology could have similar benefits especially in engines intentionally designed to burn contaminated air fuel mixtures.
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XRsteve
Posted 2010-10-04 3:23 PM (#70966 - in reply to #70882)
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I hope all it claims are true. The next really big thing will be direct cylinder injection. Just becoming reality in the automotive world, more power, more MPG's and cleaner burn...................
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varyder
Posted 2010-10-04 3:46 PM (#70967 - in reply to #70882)
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---maybe they'll bring back the "water injection" that was so popular in the 60's and 70's and claimed an increase in mpg from the first use.
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donetracey
Posted 2010-10-04 3:51 PM (#70969 - in reply to #70882)
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And the 1957 Corvette had ....... ?
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JSP
Posted 2010-10-04 4:52 PM (#70972 - in reply to #70957)
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chesshiretuna - 2010-10-04 10:58 AM Do any racing teams use these.......that would be more of an endorsment of function than the sales brochure....unless of coarse they are sponsoring the winning team..

 

In racing applications a commonly used system is "MSD"  Multiple sparks mainly at lower engine speeds that help in combustion and power.

Details at their site for reference.

 Indexing is an one way to gain performance and aid in not closing the gap on a high domed small quench piston configuration.

Pointing the open end of the gap towards the exhast valve where the gasses are the hottest will aid some but unless you are on a controlled dyno for testing your results may be negligable on the open road.

 On fuel,  a dose of low sulfer Diesel will minimize the soot too.  Oh wait these bikes are gas powered.. ( Forum Tech)

 

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XRsteve
Posted 2010-10-04 5:43 PM (#70974 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Hey I know about water injection, I was a B-52G pilot in the USAF, I had eight Pratt & Whittney J-57-43-WB's in the palm of my hand. The WB stands for water burning........It works and makes 25% more power but the fuel flow went from 70,000 lbs an hour to 110,000 lbs per hour on takeoff...........not good for fuel economy, hahaha..................
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gr8punkin
Posted 2011-09-28 2:55 PM (#97981 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Hello all, I'm brand new to this forum so excuse me if I miss appropriate protocol. But I would like to add my two cents on this one.
First I am anxiously awaiting my 08 vision, and will be testing my new bike on the dyno with new NGK plugs and then the Pulstar plugs. I'll be doing this because I am a product designer for the company that builds them, (I actually built the tooling for the assembly line and am currently working on the fourth generation of the plugs). So as soon as I have some data I will happily post it for all to see, and I will not be pushing them here, my bikes are just fun for me. But I'll gladly answer any questions you might have.
BTW I know that this thread is almost two years old.
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pollolittle
Posted 2011-09-28 3:21 PM (#97982 - in reply to #70882)
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waiting on pins and needles!
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radioteacher
Posted 2011-09-28 5:30 PM (#97987 - in reply to #70882)
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Welcome. Let us know if you have any questions about your Vision.

Ride Safe
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TRELL
Posted 2011-09-28 11:40 PM (#98012 - in reply to #70882)
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SO whats the part#for E3, NGK DCPR6E iswhat my bike has .Will try E3 if i can get them.
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2011-09-29 5:48 AM (#98015 - in reply to #98012)
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TRELL - 2011-09-28 11:40 PM

SO whats the part#for E3, NGK DCPR6E iswhat my bike has .Will try E3 if i can get them.


the E3 part number is (E3.36) I know because im holding the sparkplug in my hand from when i had it in my 2008 vision. I had NO problems with these plugs at all.. i believe i ordered mine from of all places, amazon.com.
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chesshiretuna
Posted 2011-09-29 7:53 AM (#98022 - in reply to #70882)
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We love to rehash things here. Real data is always appreciated .
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gr8punkin
Posted 2011-09-29 8:17 AM (#98024 - in reply to #97987)
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I'm sure that I will have many questions, I'm coming a from 96 sportster 1200 that I've put over 60K on so this is one big jump in the bike world for me.
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radioteacher
Posted 2011-09-29 11:02 AM (#98045 - in reply to #70882)
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The Vision is a big bike but for the most part does not ride like one.

Like an old instructor drilled into my head....Practice practice practice! Find an empty parking lot and watch the "Ride like a Pro V". This video has helped many make the transition to a larger ride.

Ride Safe
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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-09-29 12:12 PM (#98056 - in reply to #70882)
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I used NGK Iridium spark plugs on many hd's and never felt any power increase or better gas mileage.
I'm sure there is a benefit but can't tell it by the seat of my pants.
I doughy if you feel any thing but your brain will tell its good cause you all ready programed your brain to do so.
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MaddMAx2u
Posted 2011-10-07 6:22 PM (#98602 - in reply to #70882)
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Bring it on Gr8punkin!
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victoryvisiontour
Posted 2011-10-07 8:24 PM (#98610 - in reply to #70882)
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Some car guys I know say Pulstar is snake oil. However, they cannot produce any data to support their claim. I would love to see back to back test data to prove one way or the other.
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Prime Power
Posted 2011-10-07 10:52 PM (#98618 - in reply to #70882)
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I am not a fan of changing plugs for power but I can't argue with less soot on the pipes.
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vicguy
Posted 2011-10-07 11:52 PM (#98619 - in reply to #97981)
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I think we should be exploring the use of cow magnets again.

Only us seniors will remember when they were going to give us all 50mpg.
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ghostssx
Posted 2011-10-08 10:48 PM (#98668 - in reply to #98619)
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vicguy - 2011-10-07 11:52 PM I think we should be exploring the use of cow magnets again. Only us seniors will remember when they were going to give us all 50mpg.

LOL!! 

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gr8punkin
Posted 2011-10-13 9:33 AM (#98942 - in reply to #70882)
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I just wanted to give everyone an update, I finally got my vision and today is my second day of commuting on it. We will be putting a dyno day together soon, but we want to wait until we have some pre production plugs built for another employees 2005 vegas so that we can get all the data in one shot. As I said I'll keep you all informed as info is available.
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Boots
Posted 2011-10-26 7:16 PM (#99961 - in reply to #70882)
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Bought the Pulstar plugs today, will install tomorrow. $35 for the pair is a bit steep, but am hoping it will help with winter starting. As the temp drops it takes more and more cranking time; down into the teens I have to crank 6-8 seconds or more.
If this plug cuts that down by half I'll be happy.
Will let you know...
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vvtmark
Posted 2011-10-27 8:43 AM (#100007 - in reply to #70882)
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If true a plasma discharge will provide a better flame front which can lead to more complete combustion. I will check out the site later. If the initial plasma spark is less shielded it could be better. I am not saying I am going to buy any yet. Just my thoughts.
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Boots
Posted 2011-11-07 1:30 PM (#100923 - in reply to #70882)
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Well, have had the plugs for a week or so. Ran 2 tanks of gas through them. Here is my opinion:
It starts better in cold weather.
MPG is hard to tell as it usually goes to crap around this time of year, but appears to be better than last year at this time. As I recall it dropped down to 36-39mpg last winter, and am currently getting around 39-41 average.
I think it is quicker, with better throttle response, but I think that every time I wash it Will wait for Gr8Punkin's Dyno results.
My Garmin plugs into the IPod cable (can hear, but not see directions), and has always been impacted by RF at high RPMs. Am hoping these plugs will help reduce that issue, but have not tested.
Maybe help with radio reception??

Overall, I would say they did improve the performance of the bike, but not sure $35 worth. If they cost half that I would give them a full thumbs up.


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gr8punkin
Posted 2011-11-07 3:07 PM (#100932 - in reply to #70882)
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Thanks for the update boots, I'm still getting my scheduling worked out for the dyno day and I'll let you guys know when it's going to happen. Boots if you still have the RFI issues let me know I have some ideas how to send that energy to ground.
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kevinx
Posted 2011-11-07 3:36 PM (#100934 - in reply to #70882)
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Looks like a typical precious metal plug to me. Only signifigant help is if you have a machine that tends to foul plugs. ONLY verifyable testing I have ever seen showing a legit performance gain was the GM Rapid Fire plugs, and their gain was gone after 3000 miles
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TRELL
Posted 2011-11-20 8:18 PM (#101941 - in reply to #97981)
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THANK YOU but been there done that E3 are hype along with K&N AIR FILTERS..
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2011-11-20 8:25 PM (#101942 - in reply to #101941)
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TRELL - 2011-11-20 8:18 PM

THANK YOU but been there done that E3 are hype along with K&N AIR FILTERS..



So k&n air filters Dont breathe better than stock o.e.m. air filters?


just found this after i posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gef5XPoiDCE

Edited by Arkainzeye 2011-11-20 8:53 PM
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Boots
Posted 2011-11-20 8:51 PM (#101946 - in reply to #100934)
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kevinx - 2011-11-07 2:36 PM
ONLY verifyable testing I have ever seen showing a legit performance gain was the GM Rapid Fire plugs, and their gain was gone after 3000 miles


I have about 1k miles on them. If you're interested I wouldn't mind putting another 2k on them, then sending them to you so you could install/test for yourself.


Edited by Boots 2011-11-20 8:52 PM
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gr8punkin
Posted 2011-11-21 9:07 AM (#101966 - in reply to #101946)
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Boots, if kevin takes you up on that get in touch with me so I can get you a replacement set.
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2011-11-21 10:22 AM (#101967 - in reply to #70882)
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im just asking cause i dont fully understand. in order for a sparkplug to give "more power" over another plug wouldnt that mean the other plug was providing a Incomplete burn and therefor Not burning all the fuel in the combustion chamber? im just trying to understand how one plug gives more power over another.
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gr8punkin
Posted 2011-11-21 11:53 AM (#101970 - in reply to #101967)
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That's a great question and one that I didn't fully understand when the concept of the plug was introduced to me, the short answer is the capacitor in the Pulstar is able to use power that a spark plug wastes.
Long answer, during the spark event there are three phases, ionization, resident, and streamer. During the ionization phase electricity from the coil is being used to to ionize the gap, unfortunately the ionizing process uses far less energy than coil puts out leaving a lot of energy wasted as heat. Pulstar uses this wasted energy to charge the capacitor, thus timing isn't changed and the coil isn't taxed any harder. Once the gap is ionized the spark actually appears in the gap this is called the resident phase, this is also the most brilliant moment of the spark event particularly with Pulstar since this is the moment when the capacitor is discharged. Finally the streamer phase is the remainder of the coils available energy being passed through the circuit that is the spark plug.

I hope this helps.
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kevinx
Posted 2011-11-21 12:18 PM (#101971 - in reply to #101946)
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Boots - 2011-11-20 9:51 PM

kevinx - 2011-11-07 2:36 PM
ONLY verifyable testing I have ever seen showing a legit performance gain was the GM Rapid Fire plugs, and their gain was gone after 3000 miles


I have about 1k miles on them. If you're interested I wouldn't mind putting another 2k on them, then sending them to you so you could install/test for yourself.


You got a deal. I'll spin my bike, change the plugs, and spin it again. See what happens in the real world
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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-11-21 12:59 PM (#101972 - in reply to #70882)
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Capacitor Discharge Ignition theory has been around since the early 1800's but has never gone any place.
Yes your spark plugs will help in your cold start but over sixty and seventy might just rob you of power.
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2011-11-21 3:39 PM (#101981 - in reply to #70882)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt2z4vDl1i0&feature=related
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gr8punkin
Posted 2011-11-21 4:37 PM (#101986 - in reply to #70882)
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Here's another good video of a dyno test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jkfbgT3_OI&feature=related

I was the poor guy who had to get paid to take a 30 minute on country roads to get the computer acclimated. I really love my job!
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2011-11-21 5:45 PM (#101992 - in reply to #70882)
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im just curious did Anyone Ever mention a Part number for these plugs?
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Boots
Posted 2011-11-21 9:46 PM (#102007 - in reply to #101971)
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kevinx - 2011-11-21 11:18 AM

Boots - 2011-11-20 9:51 PM

kevinx - 2011-11-07 2:36 PM
ONLY verifyable testing I have ever seen showing a legit performance gain was the GM Rapid Fire plugs, and their gain was gone after 3000 miles


I have about 1k miles on them. If you're interested I wouldn't mind putting another 2k on them, then sending them to you so you could install/test for yourself.


You got a deal. I'll spin my bike, change the plugs, and spin it again. See what happens in the real world


IM Sent
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gr8punkin
Posted 2011-11-22 9:13 AM (#102023 - in reply to #101992)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Arkainzeye - 2011-11-21 5:45 PM

im just curious did Anyone Ever mention a Part number for these plugs?


he1it is the part number for VV.
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johnnyvision
Posted 2011-11-22 12:26 PM (#102030 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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If you go to there web sit NO you can't pull up any part number for any bike. 2stricks against them
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gr8punkin
Posted 2011-11-22 1:03 PM (#102032 - in reply to #102030)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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john frey - 2011-11-22 12:26 PM

If you go to there web sit NO you can't pull up any part number for any bike. 2stricks against them

Thanks for bringing that to my attention I just talked to our IT guy, and he will be adding our bikes in a couple of weeks. You can use this link if you want.
http://pulstar.com/main/PULSTAR-page.asp?P=40
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TRELL
Posted 2011-11-22 6:21 PM (#102051 - in reply to #101942)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Arkainzeye - 2011-11-20 8:25 PM

TRELL - 2011-11-20 8:18 PM

THANK YOU but been there done that E3 are hype along with K&N AIR FILTERS..



So k&n air filters Dont breathe better than stock o.e.m. air filters?


just found this after i posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gef5XPoiDCE

Cornett machine shop somerset ky.builds many race engine for top car owners did a test on dyno of engine with K&N and stock air filters guess what,stock filters out preformed.Did the E3 plug deal rather have ngk plugs.The plug (IMO) are hype like many other things.People are free to buy what they wish.
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2011-12-06 8:24 AM (#102846 - in reply to #102051)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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TRELL - 2011-11-22 6:21 PM

Arkainzeye - 2011-11-20 8:25 PM

TRELL - 2011-11-20 8:18 PM

THANK YOU but been there done that E3 are hype along with K&N AIR FILTERS..



So k&n air filters Dont breathe better than stock o.e.m. air filters?


just found this after i posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gef5XPoiDCE

Cornett machine shop somerset ky.builds many race engine for top car owners did a test on dyno of engine with K&N and stock air filters guess what,stock filters out preformed.Did the E3 plug deal rather have ngk plugs.The plug (IMO) are hype like many other things.People are free to buy what they wish.



when you said the STOCK air filter out performed a k&n air filter? i was wondering in what way did it out perform it? cleaner air? More horsepower? i ask cause even the victory performance exhaust kits comes with a higher flowing air filter and then a fuel map to match the increase in air flow. you would think if the stock air filter was "already the best" for performance, why include another one? im not saying k&n is the best. i just find it very hard to believe that a stock air filter that comes on your bike/car is already the VERY BEST in performance.
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iluvink
Posted 2011-12-06 3:57 PM (#102867 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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So...Pulstar or E3....does it depend on what oil and oil filter you use?
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Boots
Posted 2012-01-20 10:02 AM (#105703 - in reply to #102867)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Well, I had just over 1k miles on the Pulstar and decided to try the NGKs. I tried to eliminate as many variables as I could for testing.
Installed them with half a tank of gas to get half a tank on Pulstar, half on NGK.
When I filled up I used the same gas station.
Drove basically the same route(s), mostly back and forth to work.
Weather temp and wind pretty consistent.
Results after 1 1/2 tanks of gas?
Immediate drop in MPG from 38 to 34
Harder cold starts (even after IAC reset done a couple of weeks ago)
Seems to have a little less 'snap', but is hard to tell.

Only two issues I have with Pulstar.
First, price is high.
And second, I worry about the construction. Center electrode is tiny, and I worry about them holding up to the rigors/temps of a motorcycle over the long term them due to the capacitance construction.

Will probably put Pulstar back in, run them until late summer, then reinstall the NGK to check again. Want to see how they perform in the warm weather. So maybe another update in August time-frame.


Edited by Boots 2012-01-20 10:05 AM
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varyder
Posted 2012-01-20 10:25 AM (#105705 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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I was laughing about these this morning. But hey, if you have the results you just claimed you have with them there would be NO WAY I would go back to a cheaper plug. But you have your reasons. I just slapped down less than $3 on two of the Champion cross-referernce plugs and after going 60,000 miles on the old plugs I see an improvement...
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johnnyvision
Posted 2012-01-20 12:43 PM (#105719 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Pulstar or Denso Iridium tip or E3's

Its all smoke an mirrors.
Yes you might gain one horse no more for sure. Mileage might increase by a tenth of a mile.
The best you will see is maybe quicker cold starts by ten seconds.
You'll spend more money and you will gain peace of mind knowing you have spent more money.
Run all the dyno's you want but each day is a new day and runs change from day to day or morning to afternoon.
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lova
Posted 2012-01-20 8:18 PM (#105757 - in reply to #105719)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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which E3's did you guys got....i just bought the E3.38 and it seems to be to small (on the thread)...any idea...obviously i got the wrong one....

cheers!
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lova
Posted 2012-01-20 10:17 PM (#105762 - in reply to #105757)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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nevermind...i have the right one now E3.36

I will give it a test ride in the morning and provide some feedback...

cheers!
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Boots
Posted 2012-01-21 1:41 PM (#105822 - in reply to #105762)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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lova - 2012-01-20 9:17 PM
I will give it a test ride in the morning and provide some feedback...


Make sure you run your findings past John first...
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cook06vegas
Posted 2012-01-24 10:12 PM (#106082 - in reply to #97981)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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gr8punkin - 2011-09-28 3:55 PM

Hello all, I'm brand new to this forum so excuse me if I miss appropriate protocol. But I would like to add my two cents on this one.
First I am anxiously awaiting my 08 vision, and will be testing my new bike on the dyno with new NGK plugs and then the Pulstar plugs. I'll be doing this because I am a product designer for the company that builds them, (I actually built the tooling for the assembly line and am currently working on the fourth generation of the plugs). So as soon as I have some data I will happily post it for all to see, and I will not be pushing them here, my bikes are just fun for me. But I'll gladly answer any questions you might have.
BTW I know that this thread is almost two years old.

Okay, cool. Where can we find the info?
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gr8punkin
Posted 2012-01-25 12:54 PM (#106116 - in reply to #106082)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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I still haven't gotten to the dyno, we got tied up with some pretty time consuming projects around here so we haven't gone and done that testing yet. I promise as soon as I have some data I'll let you guys know.
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culater
Posted 2012-03-06 8:34 AM (#109336 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Would someone please state what pulstar plug you are using in your vision. I was looking at trying them. Because I want to! The website doesn't show what plug for a victory vision to use. So for the guys that have put them in, please share what plug you used. Thanks
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2012-03-06 9:03 AM (#109339 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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i saw now NGK has Iridiums for the vision!
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pollolittle
Posted 2012-03-06 11:01 AM (#109345 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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I have seen a couple of different tests for AIR FILTERS. Flow bench testing and then introducing dirt media and see which ones still flowed the most after X amount of media added and the quality of filtration.

I too was surprised, at the outcome. The AC-Delco outperformed by a long shot all of the other aftermarket filters tested, K&N, Fram, are just some of the ones tested. I was astonished to say the least, since it was done by an independent guy looking for the best filter for his Truck, kinda believe him. I wasn't there just saw the pics and the writeup. I can assure you it wasn't done by GM (not really).
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gr8punkin
Posted 2012-03-09 2:17 PM (#109625 - in reply to #109336)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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he1it is the part number for our bikes.
https://admin.pulstar.com/applicationguide.cfm
scroll down to the bottom of the page.
I'm sorry all I still haven't gotten my bike on the rollers it is coming just very slow getting it together. We have a lot of irons in the fire around here.
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culater
Posted 2012-03-26 1:05 PM (#110872 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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I put in the pulstar HE1IT and WOW I kid you not I went from 42 mpg to average now 47.8 to 50 mpg. I love it. Also I did not set the gap, I left it at the factory gap. Last time I gapped set iridium plugs it messed the point up at the tip and the bike didn't run as well. I also tried the E3.36 and I didn't think they were that great. Cheap price though. To me, all they are is a splitfire with a new name. Next plug I want to try out is the BRISK premium plugs but can't seem to find one for the vision yet. E-mailed the co. waiting to hear back from them.
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rebelce
Posted 2012-03-27 2:50 PM (#110939 - in reply to #70882)
Subject: Re: Pulstar Pulse Plug


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Have any of you folks read the customer reviews on Amazon? Here's the link, scroll down and see what people who bought the plug had to say. Still waiting for Kevinx's dyno run. http://www.amazon.com/Pulstar-BE-1-Pulse-Plug-Pack/dp/B000WMHEBE
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