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Lillian, Alabama | Ok, I just changed my oil on Saturday and went with the Rotella T6 (full synthetic). I'm not trying to start any kind of oil debate but....
Most posts that I've read from people switching to Rotella claim quieter engine noise and quieter shifting.
This DID NOT work for me. The engine is definitely noisier, The shifter is definitely clunkier and to top it off....the gear indicator is now very undependable. It can take more than 5 seconds to change after a shift is made...or it can just be wrong altogether. I stopped at a red light the other day...had the tranny in 1st gear and the indicator was flashing back and forth from 2nd to 3rd!!!!!
On the good side...no clutch slippage. Everything else seems just fine.
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Cold lake Alberta | It can take more than 5 seconds to change after a shift is made...or it can just be wrong altogether. I stopped at a red light the other day...had the tranny in 1st gear and the indicator was flashing back and forth from 2nd to 3rd!!!!!
Welcome to my world with 11000 kms and Vic oil, I also lost my grenn neutral light. I think theres some kind of bolt in the primary that needs changing! |
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Fargo, ND | I just had my flakey shift indicator fixed under my 5-year extended warranty. There is a bolt in the primary that causes it. Side cover gasket needs to be replaced when the do the job. It can be done without dumping the oil if they tip the bike on it's side, but you might as well schedule to have it done when you need an oil change and get a two-fer.  |
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Pittsburgh, PA | The gear indicator is no oil based. No matter what oils I use, Polaris,Mobil,amsoil and rotella it does the samething. And only gets worse with age and mileage.. dealer said I need the sensor replaced. Ill worry about it in the winter. . Its a defect. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | BTW just like my green neutral light just one day it started to Act up.. my gear indicator didn't start to act up until after 9000 miles and just started one day out of the blue |
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New Bohemia, VA | R-o-t-e-l-l-a tomorrow, silver jug, I believe. I've been using the SuperTech filter for sometime so this should be a good combo. Please don't lose any sleep over an indicator, if you ain't learned by now what gear you are in, you just don't ride enough. |
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Lillian, Alabama | I really don't have a need for the gear indicator. I've been riding for 35 years without one so that's no big deal....it just seemed strange that it coincided directly with the chance to synthetic oil....just wondering if there was a correlation or merely coincidence. |
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Kincardine, Ontario, Canada | had my gear indicator switch replaced along with the new bolt and star washer, it was good for a week before starting up again.
I have discovered if you jiggle the wiring behind the front drive gear housing the problem corrects itself for a few days before acting up again and requiring jiggling of the wiring harness. I believe there is either a short to ground or a poor connector. I'm leaving it that way until the winter.
Moose381 you're right most of us don't need it, but it's funny how I have become dependant on it with my aggressive riding.
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New Mexico | Moose381 - 2010-08-13 1:21 PM
I really don't have a need for the gear indicator. I've been riding for 35 years without one so that's no big deal....it just seemed strange that it coincided directly with the chance to synthetic oil....just wondering if there was a correlation or merely coincidence.
I had a 1980s model Suzuki that had a gear indicator, along with neutral. I always considered it a guide, not a fact. Even back then they had a 'false neutral' issue, so I got in the habit of always keeping the front brake engaged and sloowly letting out the clutch just to be safe.
I took that 850 in-line four across country and back - Man, would not even consider that today! |
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Cold lake Alberta | Please don't lose any sleep over an indicator, if you ain't learned by now what gear you are in, you just don't ride enough.
Well trur enough varyryder but..why bother putting it on then? And of course we paid for it so it should danged well work.
Love my Vision and KP but fit n finish on the Visions are poor.
If this is a known fault going back to 08 it should have been fixed by 09!
Cmon Victory your making awesome bikes, lets get the little crap taken care of! |
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New Bohemia, VA | salty - 2010-08-13 10:40 PM
Please don't lose any sleep over an indicator, if you ain't learned by now what gear you are in, you just don't ride enough.
Well trur enough varyryder but..why bother putting it on then? And of course we paid for it so it should danged well work.
Love my Vision and KP but fit n finish on the Visions are poor.
If this is a known fault going back to 08 it should have been fixed by 09!
Cmon Victory your making awesome bikes, lets get the little crap taken care of!
yeah, sorry I get carried away. I actually did think when I bought my Vision "Why did they have to put on a stinkin' gear indicator on this bike, it'll just gives something to go bad and people something to ...."
Something that has been on other bikes as well, and it has became a sore spot also, and this includes the required green safety light that would work on the showroom floor to meet CFR.
I question the magnatude of some problems, though they may seem overwhelming based on a few folks that post on forums, the slice is thin compared to overall ownership. So the question is, how many are really experiencing the problems and complaining directly to Victory so they know they have a problem? A few words on the internet is not likely to rattle any corporate's cage, but being inudated with complaints directly to them will.
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2010-08-13 9:56 PM
salty - 2010-08-13 10:40 PM
Please don't lose any sleep over an indicator, if you ain't learned by now what gear you are in, you just don't ride enough.
Well trur enough varyryder but..why bother putting it on then? And of course we paid for it so it should danged well work.
Love my Vision and KP but fit n finish on the Visions are poor.
If this is a known fault going back to 08 it should have been fixed by 09!
Cmon Victory your making awesome bikes, lets get the little crap taken care of!
yeah, sorry I get carried away. I actually did think when I bought my Vision "Why did they have to put on a stinkin' gear indicator on this bike, it'll just gives something to go bad and people something to ...."
Something that has been on other bikes as well, and it has became a sore spot also, and this includes the required green safety light that would work on the showroom floor to meet CFR.
I question the magnatude of some problems, though they may seem overwhelming based on a few folks that post on forums, the slice is thin compared to overall ownership. So the question is, how many are really experiencing the problems and complaining directly to Victory so they know they have a problem? A few words on the internet is not likely to rattle any corporate's cage, but being inudated with complaints directly to them will.
speaking of some of the problems and if they are important or not.. I wasnt able to pass state inspection withOut the green Neutral light! and if you dont have a warranty its almost $900 for that light to work! Ouch.... bad design, even the dealer was like... are you telling me they put all their lights and gauges into One seal cluster! and if one fails they ALL need replaced! as far as calling victory and letting them know..Good luck on that one as you dont actually get to speak with anyone that gives a hoot. you are referred to calling your dealer and they are the right people to contact for any problems with your victory product... |
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So. Cal | Whether the problem is big ( sheared gear bundle) or a simple neutral light issue ,.....a problem of any kind affects the joy of free riding. That is with a clear mind of possible break downs.
Though a simple idiot light will not affect my ride, the state requires its operation. |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...yes, it appears to be a solid unit, so if one part fails, the entire cluster must be replaced to remedy it. In the scheme of things, I'm bare bones and would be content with an 8-Ball just as it is. However, I like listening to tunes and the convenience of some of the creature comforts. But with that being said, I've put many miles on the bike with the radio off, no cruise, and even in the dead of winter with no heated stuff on. But that's just me. |
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Richmond, Virginia | Am I missing something here? Wasnt the question from the original poster having to do with engine noise? Loudness etc? Granted the mention of gear indicator came up, but I thought the main question was geared (pun intended) around engine noise level vs brand of oil.
So,,,,,,,,,, thats what I am going to respond to. Owning a 2008 VV street premium, I have always been a big Amsoil guy. It ifs good enough for my 40 foot boat with twin diesel Cummins engines, it outta be good enough for my motorcycle. On my first oil change, i changed out the oil. Within the first couple days i could tell the bike rode quieter AND slightly cooler then it did with whatever factory oil
was put in the bike by Polaris and my dealership (whoever puts in the first oil). To this day, my Victory tech says that I own the quietest
and smoothest riding Vision he has ever worked on. AND HE OWNS A VISION. He uses the purple stuff. I have to say that the biggest reason i just upgraded to stage1,level 1 was because the bike was too smooth and quiet. Now i have a great decent macho rumble
but a smooth tranny and all my gears and lights continue to work as they should. Is it due to Amsoil???? who's to say. |
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | Sorry I missed this one before- when do we all get to come to Richmond for the dinner cruise on the boat? I can reciprocate on my 25 ft deck boat, once I get it to stop overheating and get the seat cleaned! But cmon, I will drive up quickly just to see you and varyder discuss the finer points of an oil change! |
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Indianapolis, IN | Birdneckrider - 2010-09-11 7:31 AM Sorry I missed this one before- when do we all get to come to Richmond for the dinner cruise on the boat? I can reciprocate on my 25 ft deck boat, once I get it to stop overheating and get the seat cleaned! But cmon, I will drive up quickly just to see you and varyder discuss the finer points of an oil change! That's the way Bird', let's get these two guys goin at it. I love to watch the fur fly over oil. Ha!! Don, you can chime in here any time you like. ;-)
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scotts valley, California | OK, OK, I'm sure this question has already been answered, but I wasn't paying attention. My wife says I do that all the time. Victory recommends 20-40 weight oil. I have not found it in the full synthetics. Also do you use the full synthetics made especially for motorcycles or just the regular automobile oil? Vision riders have a lot more Vision miles under their belt now than they did when this subject first came up, so I am going to pay a little more attention to the responses. Thanks. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | you dont have to worry about the (20)w40 you only have to worry about the number AFTER the w40 as thats the true visocity. a lower number in front of the W will flow faster at colder temps. i personally use oils rated for a motorcycle. but after oil that is w40 or w50 ISNT energy conserv so you dont have to worry. but the reason why I use a motorcycle oil OR oil like rotella that is also rated for a motorcycle is because of the extra additives.. right now im using rotella 5W40 Full Synth.. it was $19 for a 4 qt jug from walmart. it IS rated jaso-ma our scooter use 4.5 qts so i just pruchased a extra qt and used have of it so the next oil change i will just purchase the 4 qt jug again. So far i have 1700 miles on the rotella and shifting is Still good. |
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scotts valley, California | Thanks for the info, Ark. It sounds like the Rotella is working well for you. I've got a friend who uses it in his warrior.
My understanding on the numbers is different from what I think you are saying. I think the lower number is the lowest viscosity it will get to in high temperatures and, conversely, the higher number is the highest viscosity it will run at at low temperatures. My riding frequently takes me into three digit zones temperature wise, so I am a little concerned about the 5W thing. It would probably be OK in the winter, and the W50 stuff would probably be OK in the summer. So 10W40 in winter and 20W50 in summer.... whatcha think? |
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LaPorte,Tx. | Blue Sky Guy, your on the right track. Put it in and may the blue sky be always over your road!!
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Tucson , AZ | My light bounces around in the gears also... does not make a difference..Its been doing it for over a year now. But i do hear that Amsoil makes a big difference in the Vision. It will be in my bike my next time i change the oil.
Has anyone had any problems with the clutch slipping once they put Amsoil in??? i have read some posts that state the noticed the clutch slipping. |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...it would occur with a hard style of riding more than just a "normal" riding style. I'm using Rotella 5w40 now and don't notice any significant difference. |
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Rhode Island | I sent an e-mail to Amsoil asking if they plan on offering a semi-synthetic product any time soon, I mentioned that clutch slippage is a concern with full synthetic. Here is the response:
JIM;
There is NO truth to the claim that full synthetic oils, that have passed JASO MA or the more stringent MA-2, causes clutch slippage. This specification is very specific on the performance of wet clutches and how it prevents slippage.
Byron Selbrede
Technical Services
AMSOIL INC.
ADDRESS: 1 AMSOIL Center, Superior, WI 54880
E-MAIL: bselbrede@amsoil.com
PHONE: 715-392-7101
FAX: 715-392-3097
I have used Amsoil in my bikes, including a Kingpin, and never noticed any slipping. The first 2 changes in my Vision were with VIC oil, I think it will be Amsoil at the next change. In the hot weather the VIC oil seems to breakdown around 1800 miles the shifting clunks much louder and neutral is harder to find. I have always changed oil & filter at 3000 miles, using Amsoil 10-40 my KP was just starting to sound louder when shifting at 3000.
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Lillian, Alabama | I think I found the culprit to my original question. I read a post by someone on here that the purolator oil filter is not approved for motorcycles. That is what I put on my vision when I changed the oil last (when the noise started...was noisey even at idle). Well last night I changed it and put on a Bosch filter....rode a few miles and there seems to be a marked difference in the noise level from the engine. I'm guessing the filter elements in the purolator may be too dense...not allowing sufficient oil flow through the engine, therefore increasing engine noise. What do y'all think? Is this possible? |
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Dallas, Texas | I have purchased Motul's Twin Syn 20W50, and will use at my next change. Pur Oil Filters are great, I use allways on my Vision, without issue. |
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Dallas, Texas | RhodeTrip - 2010-09-16 5:19 AM
I sent an e-mail to Amsoil asking if they plan on offering a semi-synthetic product any time soon, I mentioned that clutch slippage is a concern with full synthetic. Here is the response:
JIM;
There is NO truth to the claim that full synthetic oils, that have passed JASO MA or the more stringent MA-2, causes clutch slippage. This specification is very specific on the performance of wet clutches and how it prevents slippage.
Byron Selbrede
Technical Services
AMSOIL INC.
ADDRESS: 1 AMSOIL Center, Superior, WI 54880
E-MAIL: bselbrede@amsoil.com
PHONE: 715-392-7101
FAX: 715-392-3097
I have used Amsoil in my bikes, including a Kingpin, and never noticed any slipping. The first 2 changes in my Vision were with VIC oil, I think it will be Amsoil at the next change. In the hot weather the VIC oil seems to breakdown around 1800 miles the shifting clunks much louder and neutral is harder to find. I have always changed oil & filter at 3000 miles, using Amsoil 10-40 my KP was just starting to sound louder when shifting at 3000.
Well, that was a shocker of a response wasn't it? I wouldn't have expected anything else. |
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Southeast Iowa | Well of course you would expect Amsoil to answer that way...........especially if it's true. Is there any good reason to doubt what Byron from Amsoil had to say? It sounds more logical than most arguments I've heard suggesting that "AMSOIL is too slick and it will make your clutch slip"
As for me I trust personal experience and my experience with AMSOIL has been great. I use 20/50 and have never had a clutch slippage issue. Maybe I don't do enough burnouts to make it slip........oh well, tires are expensive anyway.
Speaking of AMSOIL.... Tim "Roadkill" Werder is donating his 1999 Victory V92C to the National Motorcycle Museum in Anamosa Iowa. What's so special about his bike? It is the first Victory to hit the 200,000 mile mark. Tim is a AMSOIL dealer and runs 20/50 in the summer and 10/40 in the winter. That oil must not be too bad for your bike if it can make it over the 200,000 mile mark. |
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Central New York | Just turned 2k with Mobil 1 V-Twin 20-50. It's coming out today. Horrible stuff, made the Vision sound like a New Holland hay bailer right from the getgo and never got better. Pick up a couple jugs of T6 5-40 that's going in today. Don't know if it will be better, but I know it can't be worse. I'll post my thoughts after a few miles. 
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New Bohemia, VA | Okay, get this. I went to Rotella 5w40 and it was the best move to date I've made with oil. 5w40 will be my oil of choice unless I head to the desert again. Why? Since I've used the "5"w 40 I've had zero start up ticking noise the engine makes. That tick has done it every time it starts when it is cold but not with this last oil change. No shifting problems or other issues, yet. |
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scotts valley, California | INFO FOR THE POT: I tried the Mobile One 10w30 (coming from Victory 20w40) -- no noise improvement, no shifting improvement, slight clutch slippage with high rpm up shift (fifth to sixth). Gonna try Rotella T-6 5w40 next. |
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Central New York | Took the bike out for a 50 mile jog around town after the oil change (T6, 5-40, Blue jug), can not believe the change. It is quieter than when it came off the showroom floor. No tic on start-up, no timing chain slap, and no teeth chattering BANG going down into 1st. Oh--and for those that believe that oil is no factor on the gear indicator, mine is working like new again. First time in a thousand miles. If it holds up until the next oil change I will be a true blue (jug) believer. |
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scotts valley, California | That is what I wanted to hear, glighto. Based on your testimony, I think I'll waste the remaining miles on my Mobile One and change to T6 5w40 right now.... Might have to change my name to Blue Bottle Guy. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | im already on my 2nd oil change with Rotella T6 5w40.. $19.99 for a gallon at most places great price! |
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scotts valley, California | Thumbs up for T6.
Blue Bottle Guy
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scotts valley, California | Come to think of it, Blue Bottle Guy sounds too much like Blue Bottle Fly, so BlueSkyGuy it stays. But the blue bottle T6 seems like good stuff for the Vision. |
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | Looking to get consensus. Is the winner the t6, and what filter is the one to get? My bike has all the symptoms so I want to do a change this week! So far it seems the answer is 6 quarts of t6 and a purr filter, or something like that. Please set me straight. |
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scotts valley, California | Here is the straight scoop. The bottom line straight truth of the matter is that some of us have come to the correct conclusion, and others of us have come to another correct conclusion. This is an oil thread for crying out loud! As for me and my house, we will use the t6 5w40 (4.5 qts.) and the WIX 51356 filter as long as we feel good about it.
Thanks to Kevinx, I frequently run her up past red line (she just goes there before I know it) and I want to know that she is properly lubricated. I want her slippery and tight and purring like a kitten. The t6 just feels good to me. |
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Virginia Beach, Virginia | Blue Sky Guy - 2010-09-27 12:35
I want her slippery and tight and purring like a kitten. The t6 just feels good to me.
I am just making sure that we are still talking about the Vision and Rotella. Your comment had me thinking Astroglide and Dom Perignon. But hey, my wife says that i treat my vision that way as well, and then makes reference to an old Will Ferrell skit where, let's just say, he got a little too friendly with his ride.....
Thanks for the advice. What brand was the filter? |
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Central New York | I am not a filter expert so take this with a grain of sand. I have seen a couple web sites with dissected filters and the WalMart ST7317 is as good or better than the best of them so that is what I have used the last 3 changes. The oils comes out almost as clean as when it went in.
So----, T6 and ST7317 is my combo until something gives me reason to change from that. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | a filter will NOT effect the COLOR of the oil.. if your oil is coming out clean its to do with the oil not the filter. btw oil coming out almost clean is not a good sign and that means the cleaners in the oil are NOT working. even when my vision was new the oil came out dark. (blow by gases etc) |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...and the debate goes on. I get the same affect with the 7317 with the old oil being more translucent when drained. So what you're saying Chris, is that the 7317 is NOT doing its job, correct?
Now, this might not be the best judge of what is good or bad, but I've been using the 7317 for the majority of my oil changes over the last two years, but I'm still not burning or leaking oil at 82,600+ miles. Now that may give testimony more to the intergity of material the engine is built from in bearings, liners and rings than the oil or filter used. |
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B'ham, Al. | "btw oil coming out almost clean is not a good sign and that means the cleaners in the oil are NOT working." This is dead-on it! Oil has 3 main purposes. 1st is to lubricate. 2nd is to cool, and 3rd is to clean. If it comes out clean then either you have a 'perfect' engine (ie: no wear, no blow-by at all, etc) or the oil is not doing it's job. It should be picking up contaminants and holding them in suspension until it is drained, thereby making it dark and/or dirty looking. It's simple - it ain't rocket science RR
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New Bohemia, VA | RR, I'm understanding the statement, but the curious part is that the oil for me "appears" translucent using the ST7317 filter, the oil has remained the same, AMSOIL 10w40. There's too many factor involved to make a positive assessment as my eyes are not calibrated for detail light analysis. |
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B'ham, Al. | Perhaps change just the filter and check the color again after a few 100 miles. But IMO you won't see any change based on any filter you use. It should just get gradually darker with use. RR |
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Central New York | Would seem to me that if the particulates are still in suspension in the oil when you drain it that the filter is not doing it's job. I would rather have my bearing lubed with a clean oil and not oil with a lot of crap suspended in it. |
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| I wonder if I can renew this tread. I have a 08 Prem Tour with 2500 miles that has been in storage for 2 yrs. Right before I stored it I put Mobile 1 V Twin oil in it to try and help the transmission noise. I took it out this week for the first 100 mile ride and the clutch is gone leaving me stranded. The dealer says it is the oil and they have seen it before on the Vision. I'm running the same oil in my 07 Kingpin and have 10,000 miles on it with no problem. The dealer says two different clutches in the bikes so I wonder if that is the difference. By the way the GE extended warranty said sorry for my luck and no coverage. After reading all the fine print they don't have to cover anything if they don't want to. |
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ESCALON CA. | I ran mobile 1 v-twin for 2-4 oil changes, I can't really remember for sure. Clutch started to slip so I changed back to Vic oil, now all is well. |
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Central New York | Well, information is a little lacking here. What happened to the clutch? Has the clutch been disassembled and inspected? Or are we working on dealer speculation. If the disks have been inspected, what is the condition?
Without more information I can only give basic advice.
1) Save the old oil.
2) Don't allow any destructive testing of any parts.
3) Take lots of pictures.
4) Consider hiring an independent mechanic/engineer.
From what you have said, you only have a hundred miles on the oil and lots of time. which should take you (the owner) out of the equation. This is a battle between Polaris and Mobil. Were it me, I would contact my lawyer and file suit against both and let them fight it out.
That being said, I would not be a bit surprised to find out there is nothing wrong with the clutch itself, but that the hydraulics dried up and crapped out after 2 years of sitting.
In any case, I would not pay a dime.
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| A little more info. I did start the bike every once in a while during storage and let it warm up but never really rode it. On my trip after about 40 miles I noticed the slippage but continued to my destination. I thought I could baby it home but after 5 miles it wouldn't pull the bike at all. Since the spring tension on the lever is normal the dealer did change the oil to Victory oil with hope but it didn't change anything. They say the clutch on the Vision is a closed system so they can't inspect the plates. The repair is $740 with labor so I'm not sure it would be worth litigation. I do plan to send a nasty letter to Mobil, GE warranty administrators and Victory customer service with a copy of the bill. I don't expect any help though. |
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scotts valley, California | 2663, The clutch is gone? Leaving you stranded? I can not see this being caused by Mobile 1, especially in only a hundred miles. I ran Mobile 1 for a brief period, maybe five hundred miles, and experienced a little clutch slippage with high rpm power shifts. I seriously doubt if this did any damage to my clutch and, if a dealer told me otherwise.... well, I just can not see a respectable dealer making a statement like that. Changing to Rotella T-6 seems to have remedied the problem for my bike. There must be something else going on with your transmission. Hopefully a different Victory mechanic will help you get back on track without any litigation or major expense. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Unfortunately a clutch will never be covered under warranty. Just too many variables involved there.. u can send avletter to GE but don't hold your breathe with that having any results. |
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scotts valley, California | 2663, Was the friction point of your clutch out near the end of your clutch lever throw? ie did the clutch disengage with just a partial squeeze of the clutch lever - did you have to let the clutch lever out almost all the way to get it to engage? I'm thinking you may just have a linkage problem. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | My only reason for saying that the parts need to be examined is because the only way the oil could have affected the clutch with less than a hundred miles is if the oil chemically attacked the clutch facing over the long period of time. This should show up in the oil and clutch plates. If that were the case then Mobil would be liable. Yes, it may only be $750.00. But you could handle it in a small claims court if you had test results from the parts and oil. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Keep in mind that I haven't ridden that bike in two years so I had to get familiar with it again. I have to admit that when I took off it seemed to shift smoother and the transmission was quite. I'm thinking "this is good" but little did I know that the clutch was already slipping. I was on a turnpike and I first noticed that my RPMs were creeping up to maintain the same speed. After I got off the highway it was obvious and yes the engagement was at the end of the lever. After the bike cooled I thought I could really baby it by watching my speed and RPMs to minimize the slippage and heat. After 5 miles I was down to walking speed with that strategy. I could hold the brake and let clutch out without killing the engine. As far as the linkage the travel is full and the spring tension is normal. |
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Visionary
Posts: 1359
New Bohemia, Va | Keep us posted on what goes on, there was another poster a while back that had a similar problem, but never heard the finality of the matter. Are you the original owner? I just wonder if there was a secondary cause that you might not be aware of, or if this a Vision unique situation. I'd like to hear how things turn out.
Edited by Cap'n Nemo 2010-12-17 3:48 PM
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Puddle Jumper
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| I will and yes.....the original owner. |
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Visionary
Posts: 1484
LaPorte,Tx. | Hope everything works out ok for you. I'm suprised the dealer would have an issue with the oil, as Mobile 1 V-Twin is a JASO-MA rated oil. For an 08 Vision, Victory says to use their oil, but also if you don't use a JASO-MA rated oil. So, I believe, because the oil is rated as per what is specified, warranty has to be honored, if that is the claim. As far as the extended warranty goes, it is pretty much in my opinion, only as good as the dealer. If you have been denied a claim, ask for the answer in writing from the company who is under writing the warranty, not the dealer. You are the holder of the warranty policy, not the dealer, you have a lot of rights here, if denied, I would be talking to the under writer. If you want, you can cancel your warranty policy and you should be a refund on the unused term of the policy.
Edited by VisionTex 2010-12-18 12:48 PM
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Puddle Jumper
Posts: 20
| I picked the bike up today and talked to the mechanic. He showed me the clutch plates and they were completely gone....in other words very smooth. I asked him about the Mobil 1 V-Twin oil and he said that he didn't have an explanation why it causes clutch failures when other full synthetics don't but is just stating his experience. He said that he has seen premature clutch failures with the Mobil 1 with Victory and other makes. I took the bike out for a 200 mile ride (I live in Florida) and the whine and gear clunk is back so everything is normal.
Thanks for every one's input. |
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Tourer
Posts: 329
scotts valley, California | Yah, ya jus can't trust a bike that doesn't whine and clunck gears...
Glad you are rolling again. Merry Christmas. |
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Cruiser
Posts: 111
Salina, KS | I've ran Mobil 20w-50 V-Twin since the 1500 mile mark in my '09 Vision with no problems. I have 13,000 on her now btw & most of my riding is 2up as well. Last weekend I put my VFC III back on, & all but pulled the front wheel on several hard launches....not even a hint of clutch slippage. I'm not buying the story that Mobil attacks clutch plates, I think there is an underlying issue that hasn't been resloved either mechanically or otherwise. |
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Cruiser
Posts: 273
Midlothian, Va. | tonyj - 2010-12-25 10:42 AM I've ran Mobil 20w-50 V-Twin since the 1500 mile mark in my '09 Vision with no problems. I have 13,000 on her now btw & most of my riding is 2up as well. Last weekend I put my VFC III back on, & all but pulled the front wheel on several hard launches....not even a hint of clutch slippage. I'm not buying the story that Mobil attacks clutch plates, I think there is an underlying issue that hasn't been resloved either mechanically or otherwise.and I agree.
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Puddle Jumper
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| I'll keep an eye on it....... |
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Sorry about this, but I'm curious about an oil question