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| Hey I am very interested in buying a 2010 Vision 8-ball. However after reading change in the transmission for the 2011's, I am concerned. I have heard a lot of complaining from Cross riders about their trannies, but not from Vision riders. Is there an issue with the Vision trannie or should I wait and get a 2011?
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Meadow, Texas | Jim,
I've had my 2010 Vision for almost a year (well November actually) and have had no problems with it. Or maybe I just don't notice them.
But if you like the 2011, then wait a little and get one of them. But either way, good luck and enjoy whatevery Vision you get.
Larry
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Salisbury, NC | Some on here have talked about the noise in several different gears. I guess mine does it also, but riding other model (older) Vics, I just don't pay it any attention. Other than that, no problems what so ever out of the Vision tranny. ET
Edited by etspastimes 2010-07-27 8:20 PM
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New Mexico | Funny, I have had my 2009 Vision for 2 months, and always kind of thought 4th gear had a strange sound to it. An almost labored whine even though the rpms were identical to other gears. Runs strong, and not really a bad sound, just disconcerting.
After reading about the new 2011 transmission I guess that is one of the things that have been 'fixed'.
Honestly feel better knowing it is a 'known' occurrence, and not a problem. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | They all make a little noise in certain gears. It is not a problem that leads to a failure, but Visions come with stereo for a reason |
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| A Motorcycle would not be a motorcycle without the gear hum, loud pipes, bells and whistles. I have ridden several brands of cycles and if I wanted them to be quite as a church mouse I would have never purchased a cycle. I would still riding a cage to work and not worry about it. To me the noise of the motor, transmission, and wind through your helmet, car and truck noise is part of the open road. Giving cycle riders the freedom to not only hear the noise but be in tune with our machines. Like when a mother bolts from a dead sleep because she heard her babies cough. When you stop feeling and hearing these noises and vibrations is usually the time to think ?is there something wrong?? A change in decibels and vibrations is an indication also to do the bolt out of bed thing. I would like to be like VARYDER and have the opportunity to know my machine if these little clinks, clunks and whines are a warning sign or just our machines telling us that they are content. Just a little rant!!! |
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Peachtree City, GA | I have heard the noise in 4th and 6th. Have been used to it for sometime now...
I would look at it this way... I would be a littel concerned in the first year of anything (past experences) besides 2010 and earlier models... discounts and low interest rates... Always work for me.
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| I would buy a 2011 Vision 8-Ball. Lots of new stuff and about the same price as the 2010s when they came out. |
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New Bohemia, VA | It would be good to take the 8-Ball and put the ness etchings on it. As soon as I get some things out of the way I'm going to lower my vision.
But I'm still curious about this 100,000K mile claim now and how does that compare to the '08-'10, nobody has addressed that issue. It is like the detergent claims of "whiter whites" when white is white? So is all the transmission been 100,000 mile capable and this is the first time they've used it. Is the older one capable of going 500,000 miles and now it has been reduced to 100,000 miles since they went helical? Where can I find the tech stuff on this subject, anyone?
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LaPorte,Tx. | varyder - 2010-07-28 9:50 AM
It would be good to take the 8-Ball and put the ness etchings on it. As soon as I get some things out of the way I'm going to lower my vision.
But I'm still curious about this 100,000K mile claim now and how does that compare to the '08-'10, nobody has addressed that issue. It is like the detergent claims of "whiter whites" when white is white? So is all the transmission been 100,000 mile capable and this is the first time they've used it. Is the older one capable of going 500,000 miles and now it has been reduced to 100,000 miles since they went helical? Where can I find the tech stuff on this subject, anyone?
I hear the 08 transmission is capable of 80,000 miles!  I believe the 100k is a marketing claim that Victory probably didn't think anyone would pick apart...but they didn't figure on us mental people! I'm glad they made the changes in the tranny, should make the new Visions nicer to ride and that's what I'm looking for, improvement. They maybe making the claim, because there were issues at Victory in the early years with tranny failures, and this is just a claim of look here you're good for 100k and remember this applies to the whole line of bikes. There are some who buy bikes that don't put 100K on in 20 years and then there is you! We can debate the two for a long time, but I have confidence in Victory that they have designed the new tranny to last.
Edited by VisionTex 2010-07-28 12:14 PM
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Peachtree City, GA | They are just claiming it because several Vics have hit 100K now...
Now if they want to stand behind their claim with a warranty for 100K on ANY problems with it.
Then you would have a deal!
Edited by Webhair 2010-07-28 1:08 PM
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New Bohemia, VA | Webhair - 2010-07-28 2:07 PM
They are just claiming it because several Vics have hit 100K now...
I'd take that as an answer..... however.... it has been redesigned. It just struck me that to redesign and then make the claim, but what does it say for what the rest of us under priviledged ones have? Like VT says, I'm good to 80,000, just another 1,100 miles and I'm hosed. I was really, really hoping to get 100,000 out of this thing by early next year, but now, I just don't know.
I hear that Harley has came out with a new paint scheme, so I'm just thinking.... |
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Chandler, AZ | I'm kinda wondering the same thing as the OP. BUT, see a new 2010 Vision 8-Ball advertised @ $14,999, and don't think I'm going to get anywhere near that price on a 2011.
Here's the make/break deal for me though; would like to see if any of you have any ideas on whether this can be done - safely, without having it look like a mad scientist sort of thing. I want to figure out a way to "graft" a Harley King Tour Pak to fit the VV 8-Ball, with a mount setup that will allow a truly quick-detach/mount operation, not the laborious Victory trunk removal and re-mount process. Thinking either begin with the Vision passenger backrest/luggage rack setup and start in with a hacksaw, or else a from-scratch custom bracket that bolts on the same as the trunk or passenger backrest, that the H-D T-Pak would then bolt to. Would not have any lights on it, thus no wiring to deal with.
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| ltbiker - 2010-07-29 2:21 AM
I'm kinda wondering the same thing as the OP. BUT, see a new 2010 Vision 8-Ball advertised @ $14,999, and don't think I'm going to get anywhere near that price on a 2011.
Here's the make/break deal for me though; would like to see if any of you have any ideas on whether this can be done - safely, without having it look like a mad scientist sort of thing. I want to figure out a way to "graft" a Harley King Tour Pak to fit the VV 8-Ball, with a mount setup that will allow a truly quick-detach/mount operation, not the laborious Victory trunk removal and re-mount process. Thinking either begin with the Vision passenger backrest/luggage rack setup and start in with a hacksaw, or else a from-scratch custom bracket that bolts on the same as the trunk or passenger backrest, that the H-D T-Pak would then bolt to. Would not have any lights on it, thus no wiring to deal with.
Any thoughts (other than "are you crazy, why would you want to do THAT")?
A square box and the curved lines of a Vision. It's your bike.........
I would start with the liggage rack for the Vision. You can fab a bracket on this. I put a pizza box on an 02 TCD this way. |
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New Bohemia, VA | The Vision trunk is not all that laborous, but it comes with a little practise. I can go from one to the other in about 30 to 45 minutes. That includes passenger backrest and rack. But I would look at the Cross Country mounting system as it may be able to give some ideas for the Vision. I'm thinking next year the Vision Bagger will hit the street so you could wait until then. (okay, so I'm starting another rumor) |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Initially 4th and 6th were really loud and whiney on my 2010 8ball Vision but after the first oil change and about 1500 miles, they have quieted down considerably. The same held true for my '03 Victory but that's harder to prove since it has loud pipes. The Vision has stock pipes and the whine is about 50% reduced.
I'm sure Victory's new tranny is probably that quiet right from the start. I'll let you know next week when I ride them for about 800 miles.
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm noting a tone of bragging! - Hope you enjoy your ride...Any noise I'm sure will be from the wind whistling through your toothy grin....
by the way, is the clunk gone on the V8-Ball?
Edited by varyder 2010-07-29 10:42 AM
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Puddle Jumper
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NC | Anyone notice that the transmission shifts smoother in cold weather? I got a 2008 Vision back in June and haven't been very pleased with the transmission as I do hear a whinne in every gear expect 1st and 5th and the shifting has been a bit clunky between gears and some times hard to find neutral. I had noticed back in the summer days that on a cool night the shifting seemed to be much smoother but hadn't thought much about it till now that the weather has cool off this fall and the bike is shifting much smoother and consistently now. Just curious if any one else has experienced this. It doesn't seem to matter whether the bike is cold or at operating temp but the lower ambient temps seem to have an affect on the shifting. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i went from a 08 vision to a 11 vision.. a few things to think about besides just the big noise difference is
1) longer oil change intervals 2500 vs 5000 miles
2) better Neutral finder.
3) A.B.S. standard feature
my 2008 vision had NO transmission problems at all, but my 2011 shifts way smoother and is very quiet! one of the reasons i put pipes on my 2008 was to mask the 4-6gear whine. mostly 4th gear... I also like the way the 2011 engages the gears, very solid and most importantly i noticed a Serious Decrease in Gear lash !! I gotta say i love my 2011 transmission over my 08...
Edited by Arkainzeye 2011-10-29 4:29 PM
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Duanesburg N.Y. | I have a 2009 vision, the transmission sounds like total crap in 4th and 6th. The dealer told me it would get a little quieter with break in miles, Yeah uh-huh right!!! I've tried different oils, no difference at all. Its just the nature of the beast, Every thing works fine though down shifting can be I guess notchy might be a good word for it or down right down right difficult. It is what it it is. I would e wait for the 2011, many issues were tried to be made better. If nothing else the oil changes have been pushed to 5000 mile changes and at about $70.00 an oil change that would be a nice bonus. Eric |
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New York State | I went from an 08 to an 11. The trans is quieter, neutral assist is a double edged sword when parking I like it but I down shift to slow down before braking sometimes it finds neutral instead of the lower gear I wanted |
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| Arkainzeye - 2011-10-29 4:24 PM
i went from a 08 vision to a 11 vision.. a few things to think about besides just the big noise difference is
1) longer oil change intervals 2500 vs 5000 miles
2) better Neutral finder.
3) A.B.S. standard feature
my 2008 vision had NO transmission problems at all, but my 2011 shifts way smoother and is very quiet! one of the reasons i put pipes on my 2008 was to mask the 4-6gear whine. mostly 4th gear... I also like the way the 2011 engages the gears, very solid and most importantly i noticed a Serious Decrease in Gear lash !! I gotta say i love my 2011 transmission over my 08...
Hey Arkanzeye, just as a matter of interest, once your 2011 is well warmed (say 30 minutes), and you pull up somewhere, put it in neutral and release the clutch, do you get a fair "clatter" from the transmission? The local Vic guys have told me it's nothing to worry about, and I believe them, but I was just wondering if other 2011 riders have the same noise ?
ps... I did my looooong test ride on a 2009 and bought a 2011 (with stage 1). I have to agree with every comment you've made above....
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Fort Myers, FL United States | Peter, I'll jump in here to answer you question about the neutral "clatter". I moved from an '08 Vision to an '11 courtesy of an SUV left turn at an intersection. I noticed the clatter when I picked up my new bike in March. I was also told this is normal, but I found it very annoying that this new transmission was making a worse noise than I ever heard from my '08. After months of back and forth with Polaris at two dealers, the factory finally stepped up and admitted there were some '11s that exhibited this noise. I was told by Victory/Polaris that they had isolated the problem to the torque compensator. A kit was sent to my local dealer and a revised set of compensator springs was installed in July, and I've been clatter free since then. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Peter Warren - 2011-10-29 7:24 PM
Arkainzeye - 2011-10-29 4:24 PM
i went from a 08 vision to a 11 vision.. a few things to think about besides just the big noise difference is
1) longer oil change intervals 2500 vs 5000 miles
2) better Neutral finder.
3) A.B.S. standard feature
my 2008 vision had NO transmission problems at all, but my 2011 shifts way smoother and is very quiet! one of the reasons i put pipes on my 2008 was to mask the 4-6gear whine. mostly 4th gear... I also like the way the 2011 engages the gears, very solid and most importantly i noticed a Serious Decrease in Gear lash !! I gotta say i love my 2011 transmission over my 08...
Hey Arkanzeye, just as a matter of interest, once your 2011 is well warmed (say 30 minutes), and you pull up somewhere, put it in neutral and release the clutch, do you get a fair "clatter" from the transmission? The local Vic guys have told me it's nothing to worry about, and I believe them, but I was just wondering if other 2011 riders have the same noise ?
ps... I did my looooong test ride on a 2009 and bought a 2011 (with stage 1). I have to agree with every comment you've made above....
YES when i would first start my 2011 in (N) i thought it was noisy!! then once in gear it wouldnt rattle. so i know what your talking about.. now i only have 2000 miles on my 2011 vision and i think it quieted down.. OR i just got used to it.. im not running amsoil 10w40 in it. im NOT saying it is the oil, it might be a little more miles. i just know i Dont noticed the noise as much as i did when i was running the victory oil (and at 500 miles or less on the clock) so like i said. it might be something as simple as more milage, or maybe mileage and oil.. It still is noisey when in (N) but not like it was when i first got the bike!!
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| river v - 2011-10-30 11:50 AM
Peter, I'll jump in here to answer you question about the neutral "clatter". I moved from an '08 Vision to an '11 courtesy of an SUV left turn at an intersection. I noticed the clatter when I picked up my new bike in March. I was also told this is normal, but I found it very annoying that this new transmission was making a worse noise than I ever heard from my '08. After months of back and forth with Polaris at two dealers, the factory finally stepped up and admitted there were some '11s that exhibited this noise. I was told by Victory/Polaris that they had isolated the problem to the torque compensator. A kit was sent to my local dealer and a revised set of compensator springs was installed in July, and I've been clatter free since then.
Thanks very much River/Arkanzeye..... I've done around 7,000kms and it's not got any quieter (unlike Arkanzeye), so I'll take your experience with the compensator to my dealer....He's a pretty good unit, so if that's an option for the Aussie models, I'm sure he'll take it from there....
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Central Maryland | You guys worried about engine/Transmission sounds? Shoot, you outta jump on my Triumph Rocket3 and compare. You get off of it appreciating the sound of your Vic.
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| Peter Warren - 2011-10-30 4:45 PM
Thanks very much River/Arkanzeye..... I've done around 7,000kms and it's not got any quieter (unlike Arkanzeye), so I'll take your experience with the compensator to my dealer....He's a pretty good unit, so if that's an option for the Aussie models, I'm sure he'll take it from there....
Pete
Dropped in to the dealer today, he called the National Service manager, and he had indeed heard about it. He has just received a shipment of compensator springs from the US to install in any 2011s awaiting sale and is sending a couple to Sydney. The clatter is not something Victory want potential customers to hear, for obvious reasons  Thanks again, River. Maybe we're not as paranoid as some Rocket riders think we are .....
ps I also came to the Vision from a Rocket, and if yours is/was significantly louder, I'd check for a problem with the Rocket
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Fort Myers, FL United States | I'm glad you're getting it resolved Pete. You speak the truth. |
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