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New York | Has anyone ever experienced any wobbling from the front end of bike when taking off from a dead stop and turning hard to the right or left? For example, lets say you did some slow figure eights in a parking lot you would feel a wobble in the handlebars from the slow speed.. I was wondering if this was normal because as soon as you pick up a little speed it seems to go away and at normal speeds or high speeds its never present.. thanks for comments or opinions in advance!
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New Bohemia, VA | check
1. tire pressure
2. axle
3. fork tube clamps
4. steering stem torque
5. handle bar bolts |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I do. Even with a new front tire |
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Lynnwood, WA | Interesting that you posted this, as I too have noticed the same thing! I was going to ask the same question of the board...
Hopefully, one of the guys will have the answer for us!
Terry |
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New Bohemia, VA | ...the only other thing I could think of is the bushing for the rear shock. my not make sense but I believe if this bushing is worn it could make the front feel loose. |
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New York | varyder - 2010-07-26 9:28 PM
check
1. tire pressure
2. axle
3. fork tube clamps
4. steering stem torque
5. handle bar bolts
Thanks for tips on areas to check....
Tire pressure is good...never checked any of the other things on your list. Just to let you know even though its a 2009 I bought it new may 26, 2010. It only has approx 3200 miles on it.. |
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New York | Arkainzeye - 2010-07-26 9:29 PM
I do. Even with a new front tire
Interesting... so you always had this problem too? |
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New York | I actually don't know if this is a problem or a normal occurrence on the Vision since this is the first bike I'd ever had with a fairing and being this big.. |
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New York | varyder - 2010-07-26 9:38 PM
...the only other thing I could think of is the bushing for the rear shock. my not make sense but I believe if this bushing is worn it could make the front feel loose.
Could be, however I only have 3200 approx miles on bike..but anything is possible..
Edited by joeC 2010-07-26 8:49 PM
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New York | Just out of curiosity, I'd like ask others to try slow figure eights in a parking lot just for sh$t and grins to see if you get this low speed wobble feeling in the handle bars...Please  |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm not actually familiar with what you are describing, and I do a lot of slow, parking lot riding. The only thing that might be close to what you are describing is recently I had to replace my steering bearings. Also, I believe the bushing is worn on mine as I feel and occassional "shift". The thing of the vision, it is solid framed through the motor so a wobble would indicate something is out of whack.
I recall at least one person said they had to have the bushing replaced at new, so that might have some merit.
Edited by varyder 2010-07-26 9:01 PM
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Huntsville On Canada | Yes I know exactly of what you speak! My bike feels the same way in the front end. Only to get worse with tire wear, to the point of being nearly out of control when coming to a stop. Standard bullshit answer = never heard of that one!! well new tires are on, problem is not nearly as exaggerated but still there below the surface. nearest dealer 2 hrs. need to make time again. hope to get some answers soon. 09 premium |
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Arkansas | 2008 with 37,500 miles and never anything like this at all. And I do some parking lot practice every so often. |
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Northeast Ohio | A couple of months old? Take it back to the dealership! If you could post your findings for those that are out of warranty, it would be appreciated. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | joeC - 2010-07-26 8:45 PM
Arkainzeye - 2010-07-26 9:29 PM
I do. Even with a new front tire
Interesting... so you always had this problem too?
i noticed mine mostly when coming to a stop light, and even more so when i have a passenger on the back |
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LaPorte,Tx. | What I see sometimes is a handle bar wiggle. I can cure the wiggle when riding slow, by dragging the back brake and keep more throttle on so the bike is pulling through the turn or figure eight. |
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New Bohemia, VA | double check your steering bearing torque, it is a 30,000 mile service if I remember correctly, or it may be a 15,000, but either way, I think someone had a problem in the early days of owner ship. If not torque correctly, and in the proper manner can cause problems like you're describing. Changing out the race is a bear, big bear, so a little TLC now will save you heartache later, don't axe me how I know.... |
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ESCALON CA. | it feels kind of like tire tread but slower rythem. only occasionally. maybe i left it in 4 wheel drive.
Edited by yoyo 2010-07-27 9:37 AM
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | I have never felt any wobble on my 2008 Vision and I do parking lot maneuvers nearly everyday when I get to work and the parking lot is empty. |
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Troy, NY | I have felt the wobble before too. However after my PC V with autotune installed I don't notice the wobble at all. I think it has something to do with the throttle response. Since the PC V install my throttle response is the first thing I noticed as an improvement in. My bike stock had a very jerky throttle response.
My bike was just serviced too and the dealer did not service anything or find reason to service anything to donwith the steering. |
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New York | wow, thank you everyone for all the good responses.. I can relate to you Visiontex about the handle bar wiggle maybe thats what I'm experiencing. At any rate I'll be speaking with my dealers service manager soon just and take Varyder's advice and see if they can't check the torque on the steering bearing...
I'll keep everyone posted on the outcome...hopefully soon...Thanks again guys!! |
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New York | adirondacks - 2010-07-27 1:05 PM
I have felt the wobble before too. However after my PC V with autotune installed I don't notice the wobble at all. I think it has something to do with the throttle response. Since the PC V install my throttle response is the first thing I noticed as an improvement in. My bike stock had a very jerky throttle response.
My bike was just serviced too and the dealer did not service anything or find reason to service anything to donwith the steering.
By the way adirondacks... I actually LIVE in the Adirondacks... 35 miles from lake placid... 90 miles from lake george... near lake champlain... thought I'd let you know.. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | joeC - 2010-07-27 4:01 PM
adirondacks - 2010-07-27 1:05 PM
I have felt the wobble before too. However after my PC V with autotune installed I don't notice the wobble at all. I think it has something to do with the throttle response. Since the PC V install my throttle response is the first thing I noticed as an improvement in. My bike stock had a very jerky throttle response.
My bike was just serviced too and the dealer did not service anything or find reason to service anything to donwith the steering.
By the way adirondacks... I actually LIVE in the Adirondacks... 35 miles from lake placid... 90 miles from lake george... near lake champlain... thought I'd let you know..
Now that's a nice place to live...and own a Vision!
Edited by VisionTex 2010-07-27 5:15 PM
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New York | VisionTex - 2010-07-27 6:14 PM
joeC - 2010-07-27 4:01 PM
adirondacks - 2010-07-27 1:05 PM
I have felt the wobble before too. However after my PC V with autotune installed I don't notice the wobble at all. I think it has something to do with the throttle response. Since the PC V install my throttle response is the first thing I noticed as an improvement in. My bike stock had a very jerky throttle response.
My bike was just serviced too and the dealer did not service anything or find reason to service anything :bleto donwith the steering.
By the way adirondacks... I actually LIVE in the Adirondacks... 35 miles from lake placid... 90 miles from lake george... near lake champlain... thought I'd let you know..
Now that's a nice place to live...and own a Vision!
Thank you VisionTex.. sounds like you been up here before??? |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Mine wobbles like that when I've had too much to drink - it's OK when I'm sober.... just a thought |
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Troy, NY | I'm in Troy. Will have to plan a ride together. I have hikes 25 of the 46 peaks....so far. Will do 3 more before the summers done....unless I ride the Vision too much  |
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| yes my 2008 has always done this ,dealer says frame flexs and no cure |
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New York | I've been paying closer attention ever since I've experienced it, taking off at red lights and stop signs etc.. it doesn't seem to do it every time. Maybe it could be the condition of the road? I don't know for sure.. All I do know is that once you gain a little speed it goes away. Anyways, I'm going to assume,(hope) its nothing serious. However I'm still going to mention it to the service manager next time I ride to the dealership and see if he can come up with some idea of what it might be. Plus, maybe I could suggest he check the torque on the steering bearing nut just for sh$t and giggles.. :-)
Edited by joeC 2010-08-01 10:21 AM
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Memphis | tom wright - 2010-08-01 9:35 AM yes my 2008 has always done this ,dealer says frame flexs and no cure With the cast aluminum box and the engine as a stressed member, the only way your frame is flexing at low speed is if it is cracked or something is loose. I can't feel it flexing in a max g turn, much less at a stop light. |
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New Bohemia, VA | SongFan - 2010-08-01 12:23 PM
tom wright - 2010-08-01 9:35 AM yes my 2008 has always done this ,dealer says frame flexs and no cure With the cast aluminum box and the engine as a stressed member, the only way your frame is flexing at low speed is if it is cracked or something is loose.? I can't feel it flexing in a max g turn, much less at a stop light.?
+1 - like riding a rail. TW, please take your bike to another dealer and have them check it out. It is obvisious the dealer you are dealing with is not familiar with the Vision. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Mine only wobbles In 1st gear while leaning in a parkinglot turn. Its like something takes control of the bars. But If I do the samething in a higher gear I feel nothing |
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New Bohemia, VA | Arkainzeye - 2010-08-01 2:42 PM
Mine only wobbles In 1st gear while leaning in a parkinglot turn. Its like something takes control of the bars. But If I do the samething in a higher gear I feel nothing
Chris, does it do it when you hit the throttle? My guess is that what we are feeling is front is torquing off the ground making it feel loose. I know what I'm trying to say, I just don't know if it makes sense. I've had the Vision off the ground many times, shaking the front end when I replaced the neck bearing, and that bike is solid, but I have felt the frontend wobble when I've goosed it in a parking lot lean. I've also felt the tire hit the ground from a hard take-off from a light in both first and second gear, so I know the torque is there. |
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| Ive never had a wobble at any speed..thats one of the things about this machine I like..stability |
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New York | Arkainzeye - 2010-08-01 2:42 PM
Mine only wobbles In 1st gear while leaning in a parkinglot turn. Its like something takes control of the bars. But If I do the samething in a higher gear I feel nothing
I Absolutely know what you mean!!!! Same thing here!!! |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I get a head shake at 35 decelerating for about 5 seconds, it's tiny though, very tiny........ |
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Ennis, Tx | I have this same wobble feel as well.... I have a 2009 that was new OTD... Mine is only noticeable when in a very slow speed turn or U-turn, 5mph or slow... Any resolutions?? |
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LaPorte,Tx. | Don't know how many miles you have on the tires, but MC tires will wear to a flat edge, especially on the rear. During low speed manuvers, the edge maybe effecting the handling. As it rides up on that edge, the bike will feel that edge and you may end up feeling the movement and then compensate ever so slightly with input into the grips, so you may end up with a low speed wobble when doing the turns. |
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| 8200 mi. or Mine & just started the wobble anything from starting off up to 30mph and it is really bad on the bike. Not sure if the tire has gotten out of balance all the weights are still on the rim but something is not right and it is for sure in the frontend.
Edited by texasgrumpy 2010-10-17 7:31 PM
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New Bohemia, VA | check by removing the triple tree and lubing the bearings, replace and torgue according to the book. I've learned my lesson and had to replace mine at 56,000 or so miles because the bearing and race was shot. |
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Have not heard of this with the Vision but common on BMW LT's and GL1800's. A tire can cause this and often it could be rear or front tire. |
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, IA | Dealer tells my wobble is bing caused by rear tire being to feather new tire on it's will post if it cures mine |
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| I would get the bike off the ground and check the front and rear wheel bearings. As the book says see if you can movie them side to side.
Then I would check the swing arm and see if you can movie it like the owners book says. The swing arm is held in place by bushings. Then check the tires for air and roundness. I would think you would have to have a lot of miles on the bike for the neck bearings to be bad. I can't see the frame flexing its just to big for that. My 08 is very tight so should all of yours.
Dealers come up with some lam bull shit. I ask my dealer if the tack were certified by polaris and he said yes and I said prove it. He showed me this diploma and I ask more questions cause I don't trust them till they prove them selves. |
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