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Cruiser
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AZ | Hello,
I did not want to hijack the "Power Commander & Autotune" thread but I got to ask, am i not "getting it".
Based on that thread I purchased both from Fuel Moto. Even though I specifically stated it was for a 09 Vision, they initially sent me the AT200 module. Got that straighten out and took my PC5 & AT100 to my Victory dealer this morning.
They installed my PC5 but not my AT100. They said that in addition to the HD power plug that they would have to cut & splice, they said all the other connectors would have to be cut and spliced into the PC5 harness. They had never done that before and did not want to take the job on unless I released them from any and all liability if anything went wrong or was damaged.
What is going on ? The other thread said the Autotune was "plug and play except for the HD power plug". Was I again sent the wrong model module from Fuel Moto ??
I'm calling Fuel Moto (again) on Tuesday but in the mean time would appreciate any comments from those who have installed the Autotune.
regards,
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Whew. I thought this was all straightened out. Guess not? When I get mine done I'll take it to Gainesville and get Kevin to do the whole setup, Thunderheaders, PC 5 with auto tune, revextend and of course cams and airbox mods, hopefully the Lloydz torque tubes will be available for our Visions by then........... |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | I installed my pc5 with no cutting of wires. But I don't gave the auto tuner yet |
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Cruiser
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AZ | Arkainzeye - 2010-07-03 2:49 PM
I installed my pc5 with no cutting of wires. But I don't gave the auto tuner yet
Just to clarify, my Victory dealer did install the PC5 on my Vision...it was plug & play.
What I'm having a problem with was the AT100 Autotune Fuel Moto sent me.
regards,
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | Double post
Edited by Webhair 2010-07-04 8:16 AM
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | You may need to explain to your dealer how to read the instruction. It is exactly "plug and play"... There is ABSOLUTELY NO SPLICING to connect the Auto Tune modules to the PCV.
Here are the installation instructions. Please have them review the section on how to connect to the expansion ports in the eng19-006 document. Here is a link... http://www.powercommander.com/downloads/19-006/install/pcv/eng19-00...
Now on the Auto Tune modules the wires from the O2 sensor that connect to the Auto Tune modules do not have a plug so that they can be cut to the desired length. Each wire need to be plugged in to the correct terminal on the Auto Tune module. I have included the Harley install guide which cover this. See figure K and L in the eng15-003 document.
(I can not seem to attach the files - they are to large) Here is a link to the eng15-003 document - look at Figures K and L. http://www.powercommander.com/downloads/15-003/install/pcv/eng15-00...
If I were you - I would seriously have to consider the abilities of your dealer's mechanic and look for a new dealer and/or mechanic.
Incompetence is unacceptable when it is my life is depending on a machine and some idiot does the work on it.
Edited by Webhair 2010-07-04 8:15 AM
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Tourer
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Atlanta Area | If you look at my pics from the PCV thread, I posted a pic of the only thing you need to splice and that is the switched 12vdc power. Everything else is plug and play with the auto tune. It's really pretty simple... |
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Cruiser
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AZ | Thank you for all the relpies.
My AT100 came in three basic pieces with an additional plastic bag containing various cables w/connectors/wire ties/velcro.
Piece 1 is the two Autotune modules connected to the HD power plug.
Pieces 2 & 3 are the O2 sensors (connected by 12 inches of multiple wires inside what appears as shrink wrap) each to a large, black plastic connector w/ six small spade-looking pins that my dealer called "Harley connectors". These are what I was told had to be cut off and the 6 wires inside each needed to be spliced into the PC5 wiring harness.
The above is why when Webhair posted "Now on the Auto Tune modules the wires from the O2 sensor that connect to the Auto Tune modules do not have a plug" makes me suspect I was again sent the wrong module even thou I specifically stated (twice now) to Fuel Moto it was for a 09 Vision.
Any and all comments/advice is appreciated so as I can better discuss this with Fuel Moto on Tuesday.
regards,
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Cruiser
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AZ | Forgot to add that Webhair stated "Each wire need to be plugged in to the correct terminal on the Auto Tune module"
Each of my Autotune modules have two small rectangular ports each containing 4 pins that "something" plugs in to. Individual wires can not be plugged into them.
As Steve Martin says "I'm so confused"......
regards
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Cruiser
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AZ | RCS - 2010-07-04 12:43 PM
Forgot to add that Webhair stated "Each wire need to be plugged in to the correct terminal on the Auto Tune module"
Each of my Autotune modules have two small rectangular ports each containing 4 pins that "something" plugs in to. Individual wires can not be plugged into them.
As Steve Martin says "I'm so confused"......
regards
My apoligies for the above post....I did find the terminal holes on the autotune modules. But my discription of the large connectors on the end of the two O2 sensor wires is still accurate.
regards
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Puddle Jumper
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| Power commander page is showing the AT100 for your 09 bike. So, if u have the 100, u have the right part.
Install guide http://www.powercommander.com/downloads/UserGuides/AT100/AT-100_V06... |
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Cruiser
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AZ | Okay everyone, I think the "light" came on.
With Webhair, 1atom12, and Northeastleds being so insistent, instead of "relying" on my Dealer, I laid out everthing on the foor that came with my AT100. Looking closely at every piece, it all "clicked" in my mind.
The black connectors on the end of each O2 sensor plugs into corresponding extensions that then end in 6 color-coded wires. These wires are then inserted into the 6 color-coded terminals on each Autotune module.
Then each Autotune module is connected together with a 4-pin connector cable. The PC5 is then connected to one of the autotune modules with the longer 4-pin connector wire provided for their respective extension ports.
Then the HD power plug is cut and the 2 red and 2 black wires are spliced into power and ground sources respectively.
Have I finally "got it right" ???
Edited by RCS 2010-07-04 5:20 PM
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Tourer
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Atlanta Area | DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! It's just that easy! Also remember to either install a switch or tie the map switching wires together. If you tie them together you will always be in auto tune mode. If you don't tie them together (or install a switch) the PC5 will ignore the AFR readings and run just off the base map.... |
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Cruiser
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AZ | 1atom12 - 2010-07-04 7:03 PM
DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! It's just that easy! Also remember to either install a switch or tie the map switching wires together. If you tie them together you will always be in auto tune mode. If you don't tie them together (or install a switch) the PC5 will ignore the AFR readings and run just off the base map....
Thank you 1atom12, but BEFORE I pat myself on the back are you saying that on the two MAP holes (terminals) on the PC5, I connect (i.e. "loop") them to each other by inserting a 22-24 gauge wire into each MAP hole so as to always be in autotune mode ?
regards,
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Tourer
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Atlanta Area | You can do it that way, however, I would go to radio shack and buy a cheap two terminal switch. That way, if for some reason down the road the 02 sensors went bad, you could just flip the switch back to the base map. Keep in mind your "base map" will continue to change as long as you are accepting the auto tune trims and saving the map and sending it back to bike. (explained below)
Once you have it up and running, your going to be connecting the laptop to it many times to accept the trims the auto tune is making. The steps are:
Hook up to the PC5 after a good ride
"Get Map" from the bike
Look at the map trim tables to see what adjustments the auto made (no trim adjustments? somethings wrong!)
"Accept" the trim adjustments (this now becomes your new base map and the trimming starts all over again)
"Send Map" back to the bike
"Save Map" to your hard drive for future reference
Repeat the above steps as necessary until your trims start becoming very small. Once that happens, you know your there. The PC5 will only allow a maximum of 20% +/- adjustments to any one trim cell. That's the reason you need to go in every couple of days at first to accept the new tuning trims... |
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Cruiser
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AZ | Okay, I'm off to Radio Shack tomorrow.
Thanks 1atom12.
regards,
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Puddle Jumper
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| "Ding, Ding"....lol Rcs- If you could take pictures of your connections and any parts u purchase at radioshack of the autotune, it would GREATLY help out many other members and they would also get a "DING, DING" from 1atom12 (if he has more Ding, Dings" left to offer)  |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | That is great to hear. It really is not as difficult or as hard as some think.
That is why Figure K and L on the link http://www.powercommander.com/downloads/15-003/install/pcv/eng15-00...
was so important... it shows you the drawings of how it connects (always works for me).
Yea I know it says it for a Harley but it looks like Power Commander did not write instructions for installing (explanation) just the Auto Tune Modules... |
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Cruiser
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AZ | I was off today so guess what I did 
If you factor in the THREE trips made (I called them breaks) to get the proper tools which I did not have in my tool box (22mm wrench, penetrating oil, and some very small flathead screw drivers) AND the amount of time I spent visualizing how/where the cables would run/where the modules would go/and where to access power, I think 6 hours isn't too excessive.....NOT.
I don't own a digital camera so I'm unable to provide pictures, but I'll attempt to provide a short summary.
Removing and disconnecting the factory O2 sensors was straight forward once I obtained the proper sized wrench and penetrating oil, one was a little "tough" to remove. Installing the AT100 O2 sensors and routing the cables was not too difficult.
With my PC5 mounted under the removable console panel in front of the seat (so as to easily access it with the mini-USB cord), I finally decided to mount the autotune modules behind the silver side panels, one on each side. I hooked up the color-coded wires from each O2 sensor cable to each module, connected the modules together with the supplied 4-pin cable, and connected the PC5 to one module with the other 4-pin cable.
For power I disconnected the plug from my glovebox Powerlet plug and connected those wires to the power wires for the autotune modules with those little press together non-splicing "suitcase" connectors. Very easy.
I purchased a small, two wire on/off switch for the PC5 at my local hardware store ($5.00). I ran each wire into the respective MAP terminals (holes) on the PC module.
Put everything back together, crossed my fingers, and pressed the start button.....it started (YEA !!!)
I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but if you knew me you would really understand why it took so much time...I'm not known for my mechanical skills 
I hooked up my computer to the PC5 and was able to monitor everything. Now I just have to read up on how to start using the autotune.
Thanks again for everyones assistance,
regards
Edited by RCS 2010-07-05 8:17 PM
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | Your welcome. I did have one question, Did you check and double check the marking on the back of the Auto Tune modules as to which one goes to which cylinder - one is marked with a "1" for the front cylinder and the other with a "2" for rear cylinder O2 sensor. Just asking.
Enjoy!
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Cruiser
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AZ | Webhair - 2010-07-06 7:08 AM
Your welcome. I did have one question, Did you check and double check the marking on the back of the Auto Tune modules as to which one goes to which cylinder - one is marked with a "1" for the front cylinder and the other with a "2" for rear cylinder O2 sensor. Just asking.
Enjoy!
OMG !!!
Do I have to take my side panels off again and re-wire the modules ? I just reviewed the instructions and I didn't notice that note the first time ( Now do you believe me when I say I'm not very adapt at doing this kind of work). 
regards
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Iron Butt
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| Webhair - 2010-07-06 9:08 AM
Your welcome. I did have one question, Did you check and double check the marking on the back of the Auto Tune modules as to which one goes to which cylinder - one is marked with a "1" for the front cylinder and the other with a "2" for rear cylinder O2 sensor. Just asking.
Enjoy!
This leads me to believe that the AT100 Autotune is actually TWO separate but identical autotune units, each with a single O2 sensor, instead of just one Autotune unit that both O2 sensor plug into? |
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Tourer
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Atlanta Area | Yes, two separate modules, one for each O2 sensor...
Edited by 1atom12 2010-07-06 1:20 PM
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Cruiser
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AZ | Hello,
Talked with Chris at DynoJet. He said while I've done no permanent harm, I do need to route autotune module one with the forward cylinder, and module two with the rear cylinder. I've disconnected the CAN cable to the PC5 "just in case" for my ride home from work.
He said in order for it to send info properly to the PC5, I connect the long CAN cable from PC5 to autotune one, then the short CAN cable from autotune one to two, then the black plastic plug goes into the remaining expansion port on autotune two.
Oh well, I've nothing to do tonight.
regards
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | RCS - 2010-07-06 12:22 PM
Webhair - 2010-07-06 7:08 AM
Your welcome. I did have one question, Did you check and double check the marking on the back of the Auto Tune modules as to which one goes to which cylinder - one is marked with a "1" for the front cylinder and the other with a "2" for rear cylinder O2 sensor. Just asking.
Enjoy!
OMG !!!
Do I have to take my side panels off again and re-wire the modules ? I just reviewed the instructions and I didn't notice that note the first time ( Now do you believe me when I say I'm not very adapt at doing this kind of work).
regards
I am sorry to lauph but that is funny. I believe I did the same thing but caught it when READ the instructions a second or third time during the install.
Adapt to doing this kind of work is not the problem - it is reading the instructions - At least that is what my wife keeps telling me...
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Cruiser
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AZ | "I am sorry to laugh but that is funny. I believe I did the same thing but caught it when READ the instructions a second or third time during the install. "
Well, I did wire up the autotune modules incorrectly, but since I now had about 6 hours of experience from the original install it only took me 25 minutes to correct my mistake. Made a quick check with my computer and I'm receiving all the correct info that Chris at DynoJet said I should.
regards
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | Great to hear. Now go ride it around and check the tirm adjustments... |
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