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Memphis | I got off track on another thread so I thought I'd open this one. VVPA is my offering as a Vision rider/owner group. The concept of being a Vision Pilot would match the futuristic impression of the bike. I even have a logo in mind: A dark red "V" with a sightly smaller black "v" superimposed over the red one. The outside of the large red "V" would be edged in grey. The three colors would reflect all three colors of the original 2008 Vision. It would be simple and easy to make into a pin, patch, sticker, or even a back-lit emblem to attach to a bike. The colors of the logo could change as the model years introduce different color options. The hardest part is designing a "V" that is unique without being goofy looking. I thought about wings to the side but keep coming back to "simple". Any thoughts? |
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Puyallup, Washington | Sounds good with the colors and superimposed V's. I won't be much help on designing; I don't have an artistic bone in my body. However, if it's going to be a "Pilot's Association", it absolutely has to have wings. |
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New Bohemia, VA | There is already the Vision logo V that is on your key. With Victory having Wings already, that's two pieces to build from. I agree with the pilot connotation and it fits well with the fact that it has been said you sit on a motorcycle, you sit in a Vision. This machine is a true man and machine experience. I don't advocate doing this but I know you all do, but anyway, I was heading to work and decided to try the no-hands routine. After a few miles of slight curves and trying to adjust to let this machine do its thing, it would lay in a curve nicely without handle bar input. Then I was on a straight stretch, with no hind traffic but two cars on my outside lane. As I got closer knowing I would have to do some handle bar input, I found the Vision begin to "drift" into the passing lane on que with no input. It almost seem to have a mind of its own, like it was on "auto-pilot".
I'm okay with VPA, and if we are going to get serious about doing this then we must have someone to direct it. I do not suggest anyone who does that Vespa thing, because before it is over we'd be the VBNPA, and I won't go into what all that means...
(This video looks like it was filmed Tennessee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYkAxDj5pA, could it be????)
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Southeast Iowa | What does anyone think of VVPA or VPA just being VP?
VP simply stands for Vision Pilots. I really agree that riding a Vision is more like piloting than riding. Does the word Association need to be in the name to make it one? Besides, VP's are high ranking important people don't ya know! |
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Las Vegas, Nevada USA baby! | The Tennessee You Tube link had this message: URL contained a malformed video ID. It just goes to the You Tube home page instead. |
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NW Illinois | First let me say, as some of you already know I have been a Harley rider for the past 25 years, and the Vision is my first Victory.
I believe one reason Harley and HOG do so well is because they do not form different sub groups for all the different models. I agree this is one fine machine, but do not know if there needs to be its own organization. I would like to see Victory as a whole continue to grow and profit I believe being one group the VRA is the best way to do this. I know there are people who think that other groups have some people that go on rants or may not represent what most of us would like to see in a club but any large group is going to have this and there are always growing pains. I guess what I'm saying is I would hate to see Victory or the VRA suffer because of multiple sub groups. Would I be part of a Vision only group probably, but I would support the Corporation sponsored VRA group first because I believe that is what will help Victory grow.
I think its great to have some choice shirts, pins for our model. As for the names I like to keep it simple Victory Pilots and you have a great idea for the design and colors to go with model years.
That's my 2 cents.
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | I agree with graybeard, an association is stronger if it flies under one banner 'Victory' instead of an association for every model there is. It doesn't mean there can't be special interest groups within VRA with their own threads.
Anyways here is a logo I put together that could be used for a patch or pin for the Vision Pilots. I know it's a bit different than what you described SongFan but I felt that two V's was more fitting 'VictoryVision', the centre V is black and gray and looks like the tail light on the Vision. Let me know what you all think of it.
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NW Illinois | I like it |
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Southeast, AZ United States | Crawford - 2008-03-08 7:15 PM
I agree with graybeard, an association is stronger if it flies under one banner 'Victory' instead of an association for every model there is. It doesn't mean there can't be special interest groups within VRA with their own threads.
Anyways here is a logo I put together that could be used for a patch or pin for the Vision Pilots. I know it's a bit different than what you described SongFan but I felt that two V's was more fitting 'VictoryVision', the centre V is black and gray and looks like the tail light on the Vision. Let me know what you all think of it.
That's what I'm talking about...That in a decal along with the Vision-Riders logo decal would look really good on the back of the Vision, under the license plate between the V tail light...wouldn't it...I'm looking for something Vision related to put there, anyone else?
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San Antonio, TX | I see that someone registered "visionpilots.com" today. I hope it is someone with this groups best intentions in their heart.
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Florida | Crawford, VERY NICE! Wow! Great logo! |
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Memphis | I agree 100% greybeard. I had no intentions of starting another association, just wanted to come up with a cool logo that broke out of the motorcycle pack with a futuristic slant to match the bike. I didn't think far enough outside the box and tried to incorporate "Group" or "Association" into the title. Vision Pilots is absolutely the way to go. Crawford, the logo is perfect! I'm totally behind it. Can't wait to show it off!
We have a ton of talent in our ranks. This is very cool how quickly it all came together. I'm humbled and impressed.
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San Antonio, TX | I did not mention in my earlier post that....I love the name "Vision Pilot's" and Crawford's logo. I would proudly wear the logo and name. It would be great on my jackets and I will have to have it on my Vision.
If someone just joking around wanted to see my pilot's license , I would have to show them the license that I earned in 24 years ago from the FAA. Then tell them that I can not fly everywhere I go, not enough airports.
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | Just FYI, we're working on a Vision-Riders sticker and/or cling. Personally I like Vision Riders, but I assume anyone would have guessed that.  |
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New Bohemia, VA | Sure has been a lot of action here over the association idea, which I fully support and intitially suggested. I see one of the main motivation is not to disassociate ourselves with any other rider or the parent company, as it seems we think we might do by forming an association. By in large, Vision-Riders has already begin to accomplish where I was going to, so that arguement no longer exist.
Overall, we do not have control over what people do, so there still could be one day, and even soon, someone starting a Vision Pilots Association and moving on to an intended goal. So what would our goals be. First, who is by and large our foundational people? The demongraphic report has already told us. We are older, with a few dollars in our pockets and we want to travel. So I have to cite names here to get my point across. GWRRA - GoldWing Road Rider's Association has set the stage to my suggestion. They have a lot perks that would not be found under VRA, if so, then someone run down the gamit of what GWRRA offers and what VRA offers and see if I'm over shooting.
They offer group rate discounts on many desired services and products because they are an association. Beyond the commaradire and the cool forum, we would have discounts over and beyond others. Here is the list of the benefits offered by GWRRA.
Wing World Magazine
Gold Book
Rescue & Rescue Plus Roadside Assistance
Member Materials
Professional, Full Time Home Office staff
Home Page with Interactive Message Boards
Chapter Life
Rider Education
Platinum Plus® Visa® Credit Card
Find-A-Friend Program
Special Interest Groups
Couple of the Year Program
Discount Custom Pin & Patch Program
Official Products
Travel Now Discount Hotel Program
Health Programs
Credit Union Benefits
Motorcycle Shipping
There are also many vendors if you flash your current GWRRA card you'll receive a discount.
Now keep in mind they have a much larger association than what we have at this point in time, but we are growing, so little by little it would form into what will benefit Vision Pilots. I believe the Vision owner will prove to be a different set of people than the Wingers in that we have thought out of the box and took the chance to purchase something as radical as the Vision, though there will be many to follow as more make the purchase, it will happen. (okay, leave the economy out of it)
I'm talking smart and not opinion here, nor am I funnin' over this. I posted this and made this suggestion because of the smart people here that have the resources and talent to make this happen, otherwise I would already be putting something in place. I do not have the time to start this, but what Miles and the others have done here for Vision-Rider is the foundation, the core of what I'm talking about. I like Vision Rider, but when I heard Vision Pilot, that is exactly the connotation that comes across when I pilot this machine against anything else I have riden.
The bottom line is that the Association will come, and it is not nor will it ever mean we are disassociating with any other rider, but we are building needs to our unique ride and ridding habits and as individuals, just as did the Goldwingers. Also, it stands to attract those to the Vision who now would not want to give up their benefits by riding a Wing, or being part of GWRRA.
Again, slow and easy, build the foundation and let it grow. No great expenses, not large and radical moves, just take it as it comes and grows over the next few years and we'll look back and say, "Glad we did it." Besides I like the emblem up top, but I think we need to put that out and let others use their talent to come up with a winning design by vote.
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New Bohemia, VA | varyder - 2008-03-08 4:29 PM
(This video looks like it was filmed Tennessee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYkAxDj5pA, could it be????)
Search on Vespa Wheelie King in youtube, and you'll find this video. |
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New Bohemia, VA | radioteacher - 2008-03-08 11:27 PM
I see that someone registered "visionpilots.com" today. I hope it is someone with this groups best intentions in their heart.
I checked the stats and it was registered in 2001, so it wouldn't have been anyone here. |
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Puyallup, Washington | Crawford, that is an awesome design. When can I order the patch and decal? Everyone does know that the Harley and Goldwing riders may see us as presumptuous at best and elitist at worst if we start displaying patches and decals like this. Oh well, let em join us. Anyway, whatever Association is started, I hope, does not cause everyone to jump ship from 'Vision-Riders'. After all, Miles' and Jeff's creation is how I met you all.
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New Bohemia, VA | Innkeepers - 2008-03-09 6:48 AM
Crawford, that is an awesome design. When can I order the patch and decal? Everyone does know that the Harley and Goldwing riders may see us as presumptuous at best and elitist at worst if we start displaying patches and decals like this. Oh well, let em join us. Anyway, whatever Association is started, I hope, does not cause everyone to jump ship from 'Vision-Riders'. After all, Miles' and Jeff's creation is how I met you all.
Hope all understand that this is a prod to have Miles and Jeff to take in consideration what is being talked about here and not a means to jump ship. If that was the case, I would not have brought it up here in this forum. There is a fantastic foundation here and I immediately gravitated to it when I found it, even though there are others Vision forums out and about, none matches this. The pilot idea still seems to be directed toward the mentality of those who "pilot" a Vision and is a great tag for any one who owns a Vision. With that said, domain name switching and so on may be a pain, but is a very doing thing. Now, I'm not pushing us in that direction, though it sounds as if I am, we may end up going in a different direction or stay status quo, however, there still stands a chance of someone doing it. We are not the only "pilots" out there, there are many other Vision riders that has not graced us with there presence. If I was a ex-winger, which I am, and came over to riding a Vision without the perks of being part of GWRRA, I would miss them, which I do. I would never go back of course, but one of the most invaluable assets of GWRRA is the Goldbook which lists all the members, 80% I would venture to say never use the forum. They provide levels of assistance they would choose to provide to a fellow Winger, to include coming to get you late at night. Okay, we're not there yet, but I'm taking foundation folk, not a full blown deal, foundation. Start now, grow, and so on. Don't wait until there are many before we do this, because someone else will.
Okay, I'm quiet now, I just want to get the point across this is real, and this is now, because I see something with this product that will leave others sitting in the wind.
I have a Vision....
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Florida | I really like the Vision-Riders.com Logo. The flowing lines says it all. I even ordered the T-Shirt! |
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Memphis | I personally have no intentions of trying to change Vision-Riders or start a new organization. Vison Pilot wings are just a cool way to express my mindset from the seat of my new bike. The Victory "V" logo that is shown on the website and on the key is just a little too Trekkie for me personally and it doesn't really convey "pilot" like the wings logo does. I think it would be great to see a bunch of us scattered around a large motorcycle gathering and be able to pick each other out just by the wings.
There should be three colors of shirts; maroon (midnight cherry if you can find it), grey, and black (to match the color of your bike). Then have the wings embroidered over the left breast with your Vision-Rider call-sign stitched beneath the wings. (You wouldn't need the words Vision Pilot, it is implied by the wings.) Instant recognition with a classy logo to boot. JAM did a fantastic job with the Vision-Riders logo. Instantly recognizable with clean, simple lines. Vision-Riders is the organization that brought us together. I've bought multiples of everything they offer. It's like being in a squadron. Vision-Riders is the unit patch. The wings are personal. Wear them both with pride.
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Dale, Indiana | First let me point out I am generalizing several threads here, and general observations outside of the Internet.
I guess me being a new guy to this motorcycle stuff I don't understand……
I bought a bike so I can ride it, and I surfed all over Vision-Riders.com so I can learn all I can learn about my bike, and get updates and input from other Vision Riders. I like the site so much I am having the web address put on my big truck (with a couple Victory stickers) so I can pass the word, and maybe run across a fellow Victory & Vision Rider in my travels.
Now I am seeing I need to join clubs, surf off the site to other sites started by upstarts who are using this forum to grow their site, just so I can learn something new.
Whatever happened to one stop shopping?
I have been around posting boards for venders who have done the One Stop shopping for years. Burns my butt when upstarts start gleaning a board to start their little enterprise. (yes I know this is not a Vender Site, but it's as close to being real as any site I have seen in some time)
In just a couple weeks I have learned I need to wear this, join that, jump to this site and that site, speak right, not speak out of turn, and act a certain way so I can be accepted. God this stuff is starting to sound like Harley Rider crap.
I bought my bike to get away from sticks in the mud types of people, upstarts who use others to build their enterprises, clubs, and for the most part stereotyping.
I hate stealing a line from a movie, but "I just wanna ride"! I want to ride and relax, and put the world and the worldly kind of people behind me. I want to be where everyone is equal, equal in a way where people and their unique personalities can come out and not be looked down on because they aren't a "somebody".
Personally, I believe The Victory Demographics (posted in another thread) say that's what most Victory riders are like. But, maybe Victory is wrong since it beginning to sound like we're supposed hang around a biker bar and try to fit in.
BTW I do love the sticker and YES it explains what ‘I believe' most Vision riders are. I'd pay whatever it cost and proudly stick it on my bike, but I am not joining any club or website just to have it.
Maybe this will help.
I have been in the limelight for to many years, my trucks and my face end up in trade publications for reasons I have yet to understand. I just speak my mind, do my job well, fix up and clean every truck I drive to show my love for my ride. I never feared or cared what other s think just so I could fit in. I love doing volunteer things, and helping get the word out for people with a passion to make things better.
But after 30 years of it I get beat-up more and more because people think if you're different and in the limelight you're supposed act and talk a certain ways or they won't like you.
Well phooey on them.
I just want to be left alone and be a nobody.
Riding a bike seems a great way to be equal with folks from ALL walks of life, even those who have no life (whatever we think that is)!
Ok I now sound like a fruitcake.
But that's how I feel and I'll just Google for information if I have to act like a Harley Rider with a corncob up my butt to be a Vision Rider.
Timothy J. Begle
Trucker by trade, Vision Rider by love.
‘Now local nut case'
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New Bohemia, VA | Folks, folks, not my intent, and it is not necessarily agreeable, but the benefits is what we are talking about. When you talk about benefits for the group then it is a good thing. I don't want to be club, personally, that is not me, but having benefits from an association is the target. It sounds like we as a group don't want to go that direction, so I sit down and enjoy my ride. |
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Memphis | Tim, Let me start by saying you are a looooong way from being the local nut case. The boys from SoCal, AZ, and TN (myself included) are not about to be dethroned anytime soon. You make some valid points. I've been riding for 10 years and the biggest group I've ever ridden with is three other bikes (once). I've never been involved with any organization outside of my local church and this is uncharted territory for me. I've been to the other websites and watched how other groups operate and know exactly what you are talking about. That is why this site is so attractive to me. It honestly feels different here. I think there are enough people who have been on the other side and are sick of it that it would have a hard time degrading to that. I know I come across wrong at times but no matter how it sounds or reads, I'm just trying to get the word out about this fantastic bike. The last thing I want is for us to be perceived as unapproachable or stuck-up. I keep coming back to what a big deal it was for Victory to make the Vision. It is really amazing that they have pulled it off to this degree. My mind won't let me think that this is just another model and it will soon blend in with the masses. I'm trying to ramp it up a notch. If someone gets their panties in a wad because I'm wearing a great looking shirt with a kick-ass winged logo and SongFan embroidered in gold beneath it, there is not a whole lot I can do about that. It is their decision to be stand-offish. (By the way I'd also have the Vision-Riders logo on the left shoulder and an American flag on the right. Read into that what you want.)
So far I think Vision-Riders is doing great. If it turns into another flamer site I'll be the first to bail out. (Again, the aviation tag.) Until then, I'm proud of the bike and feel good about being associated with this squadron of pilots.
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Southeast Iowa | WOW! I missed a lot since yesterday. I don't really care one way or the other for the whole club/association thing, I don't veiw the benifits as that big of a deal. I can get credit cards, loans, and discounts elsewhere. The logo on the other hand is just plain cool! If you drop the S and go with Vision Pilot then you loose the whole "group" concept and still show the world what you are. A "Vision Pilot" If someone makes T-Shirts I'll buy one! XXL in Midnight Cherry please...............white or grey would also work. |
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Colorado | Here is my two cents...I don't need another club/association to be a part of, like many I have read on this thread...Discounts at least in Colorado won't be any deeper than the VRA rewards me as a Victory owner already. I don't want the politics either of who holds what position and how they want to influence my hobby in their personal direction. My hope for vision riders is like the C-VRA in which riding is the sole focus or brand education and camaraderie is the highest priority. The VMCs down fall is the dividing lines it nurtures either your in or out and how they align the dollars. I want a family of riders to associate with I could care less about shear numbers as long as the quality of people is high and riding is the focus.
Crawford did a nice job....I would say use it as a reward patch for riders who attain mileage on their Vision...50 K bronze. 100K gold, 150+ Platinum...but with it comes a responsibility that a rider can't flame another or belittle a rider because he doesn't have the same time to ride or can't put on the same level of mileage ... or use it to reward active participation of the years with a rocker for the years he has been active...I know a contradiction in the overall message I am sending just thinking out loud
Lets be conscious about the potential dividing lines we put in place, respect one another and be passionate about the road, lifestyle and the ride. I know a rider fighting Cancer who is also a Vision rider. We didn't like each other in the beginning but I value the Friendship now and respect life (the ride) is to short for the political crap.
Again its just my opinion
Just my opinion
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | I'm seeing this discussion boil down to nobody wants to be a part of yet another club or association. I for one am in agreement, who needs the politics, I just want to ride and if I find someone to ride with along the way or make new friends, GREAT! I do think having a decal, patch and/or pin with the Vision-Riders website's logo or something like the logo that I have created would be great to be able to spot a Vision Rider/Pilot in the crowd.
My feeling is that this website has already done way more than any club or association could ever hope to accomplish . . . . . . keep up the great work!
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New Bohemia, VA | Okay, I feel lashed 50 times with a wet noodle. I too, understand where a clique can go, and the politics along with it. But folks, I think my intentions were well over misunderstood. Time will dictate, and we are all open to choices we decide to make, and for good reasons. Having been a member of another motorcycle association I promptly had my patch sewn on and wore my little badge thingy. After about a week, I took them both off. I'm an active member of another motorcycle association and have not sewn on any patch either. I do not have to wear my identity in the form of a batch or hide behind the associtation. However, when I did my 1,600 mile trip to Texas, it was good to take my book with me with all my "friends" in it.
The politics, phewy!, I agree, I hate politics and flaming and all that other stuff. When I ride, I ride and I ride with anyone that will ride with me. I'm more of a lone wolf though because I ride everyday. Though I enjoy a good Saturday or Sunday ride with my honey, I've only made one collective, make that two collective rides in my life. One was last year at rolling thunder, and the new years ride at the dealer. The point is I'm not a big group person, but knowing that I can get a few bucks off of something because I belong to a group, that's worth something. So another point is that I was looking past all the objections, which I whole heartedly agree, my association suggestion of those who wanted to take part would allow us to begin to lay the foundation for the benefits, not to be exclusive in our nature, but to bind together for the greater good.
That other motorcycle association, I got involved in the board and quickly found a lot of bickering and quickly departed the forums and only used the specific ones when I needed them. This forum is really a great forum and I am very thankful for what Miles and JAM and the others have done.
So before anyone thinks I was trying to make us into something that is found elsewhere, that was far from my intentions. Again, personnally I am a lone wolf and ride my own path. As my wife has reminded me on numerious occassions "I have never met anybody like you!" to which I reply, "Good, because I don't want to be like anyone else." So no hard feelings, I saw no flames and will continue to enjoy this great forum with all the great Vision riders, and non-Vision riders, pilots, whatever and hope we can grab a chili dog on a Saturday afternoon somewhere.
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NW Illinois | Chilidogs sound good to me.
That's what makes bulletin boards, e-mail and all other non-human one on one communication so fun and challenging without the body language and instant feedback things can go anywhere.
My original thoughts remain that the VRA should be build up to surpass both the Goldwing and HOG groups, clubs or whatever you want to call them. I to really like the benefits that can come with belonging to a large organization, the VRA has the best chance to give its members benefits because it would be the larger organization and there is strength in numbers.
Back to the chili dogs, bottom line for me that's what it's all about go out and ride and hopefully meet a few of you along the way and kick tires.
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I'm seeing this discussion boil down to nobody wants to be a part of yet another club or association. I for one am in agreement, who needs the politics, I just want to ride and if I find someone to ride with along the way or make new friends, GREAT!
THAT is EXACTLY the spirit behind the creation of this site and the other Victory-Rider sites that are part of the Victory Riders Network.
I do think having a decal, patch and/or pin with the Vision-Riders website's logo or something like the logo that I have created would be great to be able to spot a Vision Rider/Pilot in the crowd.
We are working on this, along with a few other things...
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Memphis | Whew! That was quite the dance. I'm starving. Great discussion guys. Every single point was valid. Can't wait to meet you face to face. |
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New Bohemia, VA | SongFan - 2008-03-09 5:21 PM
Whew! That was quite the dance. I'm starving. Great discussion guys. Every single point was valid. Can't wait to meet you face to face.
It may be sooner than you think. I'm coming, I hope in the fall on my to Texas. I plan on running through Memphis, I think pollolittle is close to you as well ther SongFan. Look forward to the meet.
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | Thanks Miles . . . . I look forward to seeing some new merchandize from Vision-Riders. If you wish to use the logo I created feel free to.
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LaPorte,Tx. | "Whew" that was interesting. I sure do hope the snow and winter ends soon for you folks up north......you really need to ride more! Crawford, your stuff really looks great, hope to see more in the future. "Giddy-up". |
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Southeast, AZ United States | So can we call ourselves Vision Pilots if we want to then and then buy a cool V with wings decal to put on our Visions? There really isn't any need for anything else, except the cool Vision-Riders logo decal that Miles and Jeff are working on....I can't wait...
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Western WA | Vsion - 2008-03-09 8:00 PM
So can we call ourselves Vision Pilots if we want to then and then buy a cool V with wings decal to put on our Visions? There really isn't any need for anything else, except the cool Vision-Riders logo decal that Miles and Jeff are working on....I can't wait...
Ken
I belong to another forum devoted to the model of my old bike. This is exactly what they did. Made a patch and put it out to the members to buy or not, but there was no organization for the riders, officers, etc.
Just a bunch of folks that loved to ride and all had the same bike. Just a noobs 2 cents for what it's worth.
Oh, and I love the 'Vision Pilots' logo!
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Brighton, TN | What size patch you guys looking for? Do you want it square or circle, etc? I got one of those fancy machines that can make a patch let me know. |
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | pollolittle - 2008-03-10 7:20 AM
What size patch you guys looking for? Do you want it square or circle, etc? I got one of those fancy machines that can make a patch let me know.
Round or square . . . . . . that's a real tough choice! I would really love to see one done and if you have the capability of doing it . . . . go for it . . . . round or square . . . . you decide. I personally would like to see it with Vision Pilot on it. Would you like me to send you an updated file. I did the logo in Photoshop.
As for size . . . . . I would think a small patch, no bigger than 2" by 2"
Edited by Crawford 2008-03-10 11:16 AM
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Memphis | Crawford, can you post one more with just Vision Pilot (no "s" )? That would probably be the one everyone wants. What are the rules as far as scanning it for personal use? I'd like to show it to a custom painter for my front fairing and also have it embroidered on a polo shirt. This applies to both the wings logo and the Vision-Riders red-line logo (JAM?). Any legal hoops? I don't want to sell anything or detract from what you guys make available.
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | SongFan - 2008-03-10 10:37 AM
Crawford, can you post one more with just Vision Pilot (no "s" )? That would probably be the one everyone wants. What are the rules as far as scanning it for personal use? I'd like to show it to a custom painter for my front fairing and also have it embroidered on a polo shirt. This applies to both the wings logo and the Vision-Riders red-line logo (JAM?). Any legal hoops? I don't want to sell anything or detract from what you guys make available.
Thanks again.
The Vision-Riders logo is a registered Trade Mark and can only be used with the permission of the owners of it. As far as the Vision Pilot logo I have no ownership of it other than I designed it. I have no objections to any members of this website using it however they might wish to. My only request is that you give me credit for the design and that you post pictures of what you do with it and if you produce a patch, pin or t-shirt from it that you send me one to. I take an extra large T.
I will post an updated logo later tonight with the "s" removed from the word Pilot.
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Brighton, TN | Sure send me an updated version. Will see what I can do. There will be no use of the VR Logo on anything I do. The two tone silver V maybe a little tricky for a new guy will see. Would you want to have your online name on it as well. |
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | pollolittle - 2008-03-10 11:18 AM
Sure send me an updated version. Will see what I can do. There will be no use of the VR Logo on anything I do. The two tone silver V maybe a little tricky for a new guy will see. Would you want to have your online name on it as well.
Yes I would imagine the the two tone V would be tricky if not impossible to do on an embroidered patch. No there is no need or desire to have my name on the patch itself, just "Vision Pilot".
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Scottsdale AZ | Crawford - This is awsooooome !- Come on Poop- get er done- I want some!
BTW - I like where most everyone is coming from and I am in that camp - I don't need another association or club with BOD etc, etc. This is running just fine thank you! having been on other forums, boards, I like the collective attitudes here without the major nonsense arguments and egos. Good bunch of guys, and gals, that just want to ride trade info and stories and RIDE THOSE VISIONS!
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Brighton, TN | Who invited the SandInTheCrevicesofNONO's to visit in here! I was doing just fine, Crawford and I have been doing a little male bonding with some chicken feathers thrown in for good measure. DJ said "I want some!" Oh, where to go from here! MUUAAAHHHH!
I don't know about the rest of you mongoloid monkey boys and girls, I'm still at work!
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Scottsdale AZ | Crawford - I have known the cknfrmtennpoop for a little longer than you - just a heads up, keep your pin #'s to yourself on all your accounts, pick up your kids at school, don't answer any personal questions from unknown phone calls, don't take a nap when gettin a hair cut. I think you get the picture. That being said, He and his drop the bike wife have a top drawr embroidry machine that we can take advantage of. Just sayin ---- |
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | DesertJim - 2008-03-10 1:07 PM
Crawford - I have known the cknfrmtennpoop for a little longer than you - just a heads up, keep your pin #'s to yourself on all your accounts, pick up your kids at school, don't answer any personal questions from unknown phone calls, don't take a nap when gettin a hair cut. I think you get the picture. That being said, He and his drop the bike wife have a top drawr embroidry machine that we can take advantage of. Just sayin ----
Thanks for the heads up DJ. I was just hoping to get a free patch!
I should be safe, although I often take a nap, it is never when I am getting a haircut.
My biggest worry is what he is planning to do with the chicken feathers. He used Bonding and Chicken Feathers in the same sentence. Ummmm!
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Brighton, TN | SandRufflesJim - You best hope my drop dead gorgeous wife doesn't get a chance to ascertain to your assumptions about what she did with my bike. I live in fear daily, you my friend, no hope for. Crawford if you happen to start bonding with this Sandy character, nocturnal and sexy in a T-shirt all wrapped up like the Secretary he is, there may not be much chance for ya. If ya still have to bond with him I still take cash, I'm not that selfish.
Thanks to the DJ - oh such a Travshamockery, already sucking up to him. I told you he was SExY in that T-shirt you must have already visited his Gallery.
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Brighton, TN | PUNKS! In old guy Speak! HUMPRHF!!!! |
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Las Vegas, Nevada USA baby! | Consensus on my part regarding the "club" aspect. A loose knit Association perhaps.
GREAT LOOKING VP LOGO!
I am a "member" of the "Broadcast Industry Motorcycle Club". We really don't exist. It is just a company that had an idea for a sticker for those of us in the "Industry". You can go to: http://markertek.com/racing.asp and all you'll see is an offer for free stickers, and a place on their website to post your bike/self picture. That is all it is for now.
I think we have a little more than that going, but the loose knit idea of just being a mental acknowlegement of "belonging" is what I think we are looking for. I too am what I also call a "lone wolf". I officially belong to American Legion Riders and have belonged for three years. I have never made a ride with the group. I like to just get my bike out and go for a ride. I don't want to have to ask permission of the group to stop for pics, or some off-route exploring, or to go pee, or get a bite etc. if it is not in the daily ride's agenda. AND, you mentioned the politics. My first year with them, I saw the group explode, and turn into two separate groups, not because of growth mind you, but because of B.S. (Baloney Stuff).
I think the old idea of a group having meetings and such is because that's how they were able to have time together etc. We have our time via this board. We can decide if we want to ride with someone that posts here or not. We can chat, share stories, pics, and get to know each other here. This site is our bond. We have our Vision-Riders logo/patch, and up-and-coming Vision Pilot logo patch to identify ourselves if we so desire. 
VARyder, I can see what you mean. I don't wear my American Legion Riders vest with all of the patches, pins etc. mostly because, well in my opinion, you see, okay I think it's a bit hokey. Sure I wear my fluorescent lime green surveyor's safety vest, but I do take that off when I get to where I am going. I don't use it to get past an identity crisis like a vest with mucho patcho.
Again, this is just my words, see, my opinion seeeee, take it or leave it!
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | Here is the updated version that drops the S of Pilot.
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Dale, Indiana | I feel I should say I am sorry for going off. But, it does seem that most understood my points (wasn't sure of them myself) .
I was surprised and impressed that no one went off on me. Actually I was impressed with the open minded that you people have.
I do have to apologize about my blogger comments. But for some reason I just have never liked blogs. In my mind it falls under ‘everybody has frickin comment' and why should I waste my time reading them.
Seems everybody is either writing a blog, or reading a blog. Plus, if you aren't, you're strange. Blogging (either writing them or reading them) takes away from life. For most here that life is riding.
Ok I spoke my mind again.
My question is; can I still get one of those Vision Pilots thingys?
I also liked the post about not removing ourselves from other Victory riders!
I want to ride and not have a Victory rider saying, there goes one of those haughty Vision Prima Donnas.
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Stockton, Ca. | I like the Vision Riders patch idea. No need for anything else but camaraderie, this website has given us a great start on that. Nothing more nothing less. Once something is decided on maybe someday we cross paths we'll say hello and ride for awhile. :-) |
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | okthenbye - 2008-03-15 8:38 PM
I like the Vision Riders patch idea. No need for anything else but camaraderie, this website has given us a great start on that. Nothing more nothing less. Once something is decided on maybe someday we cross paths we'll say hello and ride for awhile. :-)
Can't add anything more to that.... oops guess I just did.. |
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west bend, wi | So ChickenLittle.... I know you said you were trying to get that expensive sewing machine to magically make these patches but how is it going? If it's going to be more work than you thought I found a website that will make them and I'll figure out a way to get them out to everyone that wants one if that takes you off the hook..... Don't want to impose just know that sometimes things are more work than ya think..... BTW I would like to have an 'original' just to have the story to go along with it if it's in the cards.... |
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Scottsdale AZ | Yea pokeeeeckn where are the patches??????? Enough now! Did the bride take the key??? You on restriction?? Quarantined??? Been down this road before---- promises promises -- take the V key away Mom, lets get some work done. Tom, the Song Fan has the stickers in the mail!!! Wow some guys in Tenn are fast and some are sloooooww - Can't wait to hear the followup story about some lame excuse about no electricity, no water, no Dr Pepper--- Well there is goin to be no sympathy- Lets here it Vision Pilots-- WHERE IS OUR PATCHES///??? |
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Puyallup, Washington | Patches, Patches? We don't need no steenkin' patches. We want em though. |
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Brighton, TN | I like most would enjoy a nicely done well made professional patch. I can get them done right down the road all day long less than two miles from my house. This has been the extreme learning curve of sewing. I feel like I have been sewing now for months. I will post pics either tonight or tomorrow, if I can find a power supply for my laptop, which blew up last night. Your right, it is a much larger job than I thought. I thought "How hard can this BE, little old ladies buy these things and VOILA, Done!" I failed to take into account, I know nothing about sewing, so I am just about learned. I have one that is totally complete but then the font doesn't work when you sew it. So, I have to go back and try multiple fonts and see which one looks best. Once I get the font right, little tweaking on the feathers and it should be good to go.
So, if you gents unable to wait, feel free to do what ya gotta do. No hard feelings, I will just use my handy new talent to work on my spring dress. Oops! Did I just write that! Scratch that, what I meant to say was to work on SandyJimmy's new Hot T-shirt in Flaming Hot PINK!
Honestly, ran too low on the DP, car was out of gas, couldn't make it to store. The ride of my life, 007 Missile Shooting Vision (007 MSV), (ooh I mean my wife is the first love and ride of my life), had two flat tires and leaned over on its tip-overs with a sad look in its headlights. So, it was either walk it or thumb it and I just couldn't get off the couch to reach the remote, so no luck. There I fessed up no progress made, it was a sham made up to make you all feel like you had preorders in with Victory, so delivery next week, oh a second passed there will a slight delay in delivery something to do with the thread supplier and his cotton and dye guy, not really sure. So, just wait till the following Friday of the week after the next or something like that. I dunno!
Now that you have made it through that. I will post a pic of what I have and ya'll can vote to whether you want to wait for something a little better or I give it to you the way you like. Once it is a finished product, it will probably take about 30 minutes to produce each one. Luckily there are only 4 colors or it would take even longer. I could leave it the way it is and you could always have a patch to discuss, kinda like the bike. The question would be like "Who made that?" Answer, "Some Texan who knows more about horses than sewing and decided to take over his wife's machine and throw some thread in it. It's not so purty but its got CHARACTER and ATTITUDE! I kinda like it and its OKay cause he rides a Vision too! " Just saying! |
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Scottsdale AZ | I knew! I knew it! Excuses, excuses and more excuses. He said things like "learning curve", "font doesn't worK," "car was out of gas", "couldn't reach the remote",also, the heart on my sleeve, "feel free to do do what ya gotta do" "no hard feelings" yuk! Song Fan, send in the replacement.
Ok, lets see what you have Pootckn, we can decide from there. Maybe one will be ready for the guys buying the 2009 Vision.
Thanks again Song Fan for your part in getting the stickers, that was probably harder than the patches. |
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Brighton, TN | I'm shooting for 2010, it just sounds better. Your just upset because I have had to push your new Hot Pink FLourescent, with the words "I'm a HOTTIE, If I have to explain it, Well, don't make me, I cry!", embroidered on it. The Scarlet deep shag tutu is also been pushed back for ya!
So, just Simmer down now!
Edited by pollolittle 2008-03-31 11:19 AM
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