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New Bohemia, VA | Be forewarned that the following pictures are down right shocking. I'm sorry to have to share this. I just hope rider is okay, any history on this one that anyone knows?
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San Antonio, TX | Heartbreaking. I hope the rider/riders are ok.
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Las Vegas, Nevada USA baby! | I noticed on the pics, the key fob has an area code of 717, this is from Wikipedia:
"Area code 717 is a Pennsylvania telephone area code which serves South Central Pennsylvania, predominantly used in the Harrisburg-Lancaster-York metropolitan areas. Area code 717 was one of the original area codes established in 1947. The 717 area code was split on December 5, 1998 creating area code 570."
Only 1362 miles, and that happens. I pray for them folk, and all of us who ride!
That's just about how many miles I have on my Supersteel Gray Tour Premium.
EdRadio
Edited by edradio 2008-03-05 12:30 AM
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm just taking a wild guess, but it seems that the auction may have started about a month ago, and then adding to the time it would take for the insurance to release the bike, perhaps this accident happened in December or November, or as early as October. This bike wouldn't been sold before September to my knowledge, so does anyone know who this might have been. Does it matter? Well it would be nice to know if the rider(s) is/are okay. I guess this strikes my curiousity mostly because it is the exact same model/color as mine.
It seems to have been a fairly cut and dry accident, perhaps a low speed strike with an automobile and then a laydown into a ditch. However, to the rider, it may have been more serious, but hoping not.
I believe the way this bike is designed that training on how to do a control laydown would have to address this against a typical motorcycle. Way back when these first came out and the rectifier caused a cutout (recall by Victory) one post I read had the rider in a turn. In the turn the engine died and he laid it on its side and skidded on the rollover protection with no other visible damage to the rider or the bike. So there was no flip, or in the ditch, he just stayed on the bike in the seat and rode it out.
I know one extreme manuever that I recall being taught was a control lay down to keep from impacting. The technique may not be possible with modern bikes, much less the Vision, since I recall this from back in the 80's. That is to lock and slide the rear tire around to cause the bike to slide sideways and lay on the opposing side with the wheel toward impact. I know I may flare up much discussion, but being prepared for the possibility will be the difference between life or death/serious injury, something I know riders think about, but don't dwell on.
If there is a much more advanced trained rider than I who would like to comment, please do. If this is something that folks rather avoid, I won't say another word. | |
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| It never ceases to amaze me that some people have the mindset to believe that it is better to "laydown" a bike to avoid an impact than to continue using your braking force and ability to control the motorcycle to reduce the impact speed. Rarely, make that extremely rarely, would you actually avoid an impact by laying down a bike, study after study has shown this, so, if you are going to impact anyway it would be far better to be on the brakes continuing to reduce your velocity up to the point of impact, and in the case of the motorcycle t-boning a car, it would be far better for the rider to end up getting tossed over the car than to come to a sudden stop. Of course this all assumes (yes, I know) that the rider is wearing proper protective gear.
If you care to learn more about riding techniques, there are a few different courses available but the one I have done a couple of times on my GL1800 Goldwing is the Keith Code course, of which I have included a link to. Another thing you can do to be better prepared for street type riding situations is to read some of the many books that have been written on street riding strategies such as "Proficient Motorcycling" and "More Proficient Motorcycling", both written by David Hough and are an excellent source of learning.
Keith Code's riding school: http://www.superbikeschool.com/
As far as the Vision in the salvage yard goes, I would take a guess that the rider either did not survive or that he/she is still in the hospital and that the tow yard has jumped the gun in posting the UPCOMING auction. I say this because who would leave things such as personal belongings in the saddlebags and even the GPS unit mounted to the console. When I opened the link it shows to me that the auction has not occurred yet, so it is possible that the accident happened in January or early February, or possibly sooner as it is impossible to tell.
Edited by Travelin' Man 2008-03-05 7:42 AM
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rhode island | On a positive note the windshield held up pretty good! | |
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks for your reply. I'll be taking a motorcycle safety course in the very near future after taking one about 20 years ago since that was the last time rode up until two years ago. I guess that this is one of the reasons I made this post to get some more information. I am in total agreement in riding out the storm, reducing velocity, should that occassion occur. I go to extreme lengths to avoid having to avoid a situation, even though I know a situation can and does happen unexpectly. I am constantly checking and second guessing road conditions and watching traffic patterns for inattentive drivers, and will find the safety pocket away from cagers even in heavy traffic, always thinking about a way of egress should something start happening. It has stuck in my mind that the technique, though something that can not be practice, is to "lay it down" should impact be inevitable, however, I can see how that would not be a good option. I've determined that if a deer was to suddenly be in my path, that I would ride it out and expect the best outcome if that makes sence. But a bramble of sliding cars on an interstate with no egress, going airborne would not be my overall choice, though there are not many to choose from in such a situation.
I plan on continuing my riding education from the experts after taking my long overdue safety course. I hope to never ever have to experience impact or a lay down, I've had my one in life already, if one follows that philosophy. But training is the only thing that makes for the proper reflex reaction, and has a great impact on the overall outcome.
I hope your assessment is wrong on the Vision in the salvage yard, but I do see your point. Maybe I really don't want to know the outcome.
May all ride safe and enjoy each ride to do yet another one!
Travelin' Man - 2008-03-05 7:41 AM
It never ceases to amaze me that some people have the mindset to believe that it is better to "laydown" a bike to avoid an impact than to continue using your braking force and ability to control the motorcycle to reduce the impact speed. Rarely, make that extremely rarely, would you actually avoid an impact by laying down a bike, study after study has shown this, so, if you are going to impact anyway it would be far better to be on the brakes continuing to reduce your velocity up to the point of impact, and in the case of the motorcycle t-boning a car, it would be far better for the rider to end up getting tossed over the car than to come to a sudden stop. Of course this all assumes (yes, I know) that the rider is wearing proper protective gear.
If you care to learn more about riding techniques, there are a few different courses available but the one I have done a couple of times on my GL1800 Goldwing is the Keith Code course, of which I have included a link to. Another thing you can do to be better prepared for street type riding situations is to read some of the many books that have been written on street riding strategies such as "Proficient Motorcycling" and "More Proficient Motorcycling", both written by David Hough and are an excellent source of learning.
Keith Code's riding school: http://www.superbikeschool.com/
As far as the Vision in the salvage yard goes, I would take a guess that the rider either did not survive or that he/she is still in the hospital and that the tow yard has jumped the gun in posting the UPCOMING auction. I say this because who would leave things such as personal belongings in the saddlebags and even the GPS unit mounted to the console. When I opened the link it shows to me that the auction has not occurred yet, so it is possible that the accident happened in January or early February, or possibly sooner as it is impossible to tell.
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29 Palms California | AHHHHHHHH! Poor bike, I think we should all share a moment of silence for this travishamockery!......................Would be nice to hear the what,when,and why's on this accident. Unlike the above "posters" I won't speculate, and hope the rider is O.K. I will neither decide to lay down, jump off or decide to break into whatever happen. | |
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College Station, Tx | pollolittle did you let your wife park the bike again?   | |
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Brighton, TN | I think I have to go check this site and see if that is my bike. I am in my cage and the wife called to tell me about her incident this morning, so very possible it's mine again. Dang I can't win?
FYI, Another member for the VRA is appearing! Feel free to put general location and what your driving so I can have a decent shot at ya later!! IS THERE NO LOVE LEFT IN THE WORLD!!! aAaAaarrrggggHHHHHH!!!! Pull up the sackage and get back to it! | |
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College Station, Tx | pollolittle - 2008-03-05 10:07 AM
Feel free to put general location and what your driving so I can have a decent shot at ya later!!
Hehe I have updated my location.. I currently ride a Vulcan 1500 Classic...Wife will not let me get a Vision yet...says we have to pay off some other bills first or something like that..Gerr | |
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Brighton, TN | Oh an Aggie to boot and no VISION. This is good, glad you got to take the first shot. BUcKN8kd, my dreams have come true, he just showed up. MMUUUUAAAAHHH!!!!! | |
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Memphis | I didn't click on the link because I don't want the nightmares. I can tell what's there by the responses. I personally think that the #1 hazard on a Vision is all the gee-whiz gadgetry. Most new Vision owners (myself included) are coming off of bikes that didn't even have a radio, much less heated grips, heated seats, power windshield, cruise control, GPS, running lights and the click-through LED readouts. It is a huge basket of distractions just waiting to be explored. The switches are not backlit. Learn them cold by feel so you don't have to look down! The trigger for the LED readout cycles through 8 different modes. Learn them in order so you don't have to stare at the display while you cycle to the one you want! I had to yell at myself to figure all of this out. Nearly every mishap I've read about with a Vision test rider going down has had to do with getting distracted with all the "stuff". The only thing that I think is a really bad design is having the drivers heated seat switch under the edge of the passenger seat. I hate that. It is really easy to get comfy and start getting distracted. Believe me, I know. Don't give in to the dark force. Learn your switchology like the back of your hand. It will save your butt. Literally.
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | Travelin' Man - 2008-03-05 7:41 AM
It never ceases to amaze me that some people have the mindset to believe that it is better to "laydown" a bike to avoid an impact than to continue using your braking force and ability to control the motorcycle to reduce the impact speed. Rarely, make that extremely rarely, would you actually avoid an impact by laying down a bike, study after study has shown this, so, if you are going to impact anyway it would be far better to be on the brakes continuing to reduce your velocity up to the point of impact, and in the case of the motorcycle t-boning a car, it would be far better for the rider to end up getting tossed over the car than to come to a sudden stop. Of course this all assumes (yes, I know) that the rider is wearing proper protective gear.
Spot on... no need to even discuss it. Science trumps opinion, even for me. I got my first license in the 70's when they still TAUGHT laying down the bike. I went down twice over the years. Once I thank -insert deity here- that I was on my brakes at impact and the other I was praying the bike would come back up off the crash bars so I could get some rubber on the ground to slow down.
Besides all that... I too hope everyone is ok... it's sad to see a wreck at such low mileage, and we'd all love to jump to the conclusion that it was inexperience or unfamiliarity... but none of that really matters...
Spring is coming, and well need to be careful. Plain and simple.
As for the pictures.... well.. .I'm actually impressed. The bike had some sort of impact on both sides. Like maybe it got clipped on the right-rear and went down to the left.. In any case, it looks like mostly body work and maybe some fork issues, but mostly body work.
Maybe someone in the area could pick it up and do a study... If I was still in MD I think I might, ti's just up the street in PA from there. Hey Luz... need another "project?" | |
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New Bohemia, VA | Songfan, I see there is intelligent life in Tennessee. I agree with you and find that I remind myself despite the surety of the ride, a split second distraction is all that it takes. I will say that I have my self on the twisties, in a turn, watching the road, and turning up the volume on the front panel. I've actually done this more than once. That's when I say "Wow, what a ride, but dude, you still on two wheels, keep your attention on the road, especially in a curve." | |
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Coastal , NJ | Miles - 2008-03-05 12:52 PM
Maybe someone in the area could pick it up and do a study... If I was still in MD I think I might, ti's just up the street in PA from there. Hey Luz... need another "project?"
Tempting.....the GPS still works and I could incorporate a ride to the Victory Brewery! | |
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LaPorte,Tx. | varyder - 2008-03-04 10:40 PM
Be forewarned that the following pictures are down right shocking. I'm sorry to have to share this. I just hope rider is okay, any history on this one that anyone knows?
http://www.salvagedirect.com/asp/viewitem.asp?itemid=666881
This is really terrible. I can only speculate what happen, and I hope the rider is ok. Let's ride.
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29 Palms California | muuuaaaHHH, muaaahhh! fireduck, ensure you put away the can opener quickly, because the can worms that will be opened, will be unpresidented! Although you did crack me up with that (sorry poot) funny, is funny. Vulcan? you should be ashamed! Wife won't let you! You should be more ashamed! I got an idea...the next big storm, park your Vucan just outside the garage, and leave in your cage. Then call your wife and ask her to move your bike into the garage. (don't forget the bannana peel on the ground). Since it wouldn't be cost effective to fix your bike, and even less cost effective to see the doctor about your testicles, you collect on the insurance and buy a Vision! Just saying.... | |
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29 Palms California | dang that was funny! | |
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aaaahhhh, I'm going to have nightmares....