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Puddle Jumper
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| I've checked the website (Victory's) and have seen some blogs regarding Victory not offering this color with ABS or the Premium package. Why did they elect not offer this option on the best color that they have for 2010? I ride a Road King and am looking forward to test riding a Vision and possibly buying one as soon as funds are available, but don't like the reality of having to either order a color I don't want or wait for the 2011's. I have researched the Vision and being vertically challenged (5'7") the low seat height is what originally caught my attention, but since the research every other thing has turned up the heat to buy one. Does anyone have an answer why no ABS on Pearl White? |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Maybe because when the folks in front of you see a Cop coming up behind them they move over - so you don't need brakes????
That's what happened to me years back when I owned an Ex-RCMP Police Special that was white, of course.
Only drawback was that people that WERE moving at a good speed - slowed to the speed limit - and resulted in me going slower. Damned pain it was.... |
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Tourer
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Atlanta Area | Victory has never really given an explanation of why they did not offer ABS on the pearl white Vision. However, I challenge you to test ride a non-ABS Vision as all Visions have linked brakes. When you apply pressure to the rear brake pedal, the center pistons of the front brakes on both sides are activated a well. It really is a slick system and works very well.... |
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Cruiser
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elgin mn | I rode a vision w abs at a Victory open house Tuesday did not notice a diff when i rode mine home |
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Cruiser
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| You may also want to try a Vision 8 Ball. The seat height is 2 inches lower than a regular Vision if you are "vertically challenged". |
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Cruiser
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Meadow, Texas | As an owner of a 2010 Pearl White Vision without ABS - I have not seen any major difference in the braking. I have had zero concerns about braking. Just order one and enjoy the looks and positive comments. But for a suggestion, go to a dealer that has both models, with and without and see if you can tell the difference. I did that, but had to go to different dealers and both were okay with me checking out their bikes.
So go out for a ride on them, you will walk away with a super smile.
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Tourer
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| It is likely about manufacturing scheduling and meeting delivery numbers. They likely ran the white Visions just before switching over to the new tooling, hence no ABS. So technically it was probably built on the 2009 line using 2009 tooling. |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | kaydee - 2010-05-30 8:19 PM
You may also want to try a Vision 8 Ball. The seat height is 2 inches lower than a regular Vision if you are "vertically challenged".
Good point, just know that they DON'T come with radios and it wouldn't be cheap or easy to add it later. |
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | ABS simply not necessary with this bike. Ive owned BMW and ST1300 with ABS and my Vision has better braking then both of them without it.. Pearl White is a hot looking bike !!! Dont let that stop you from getting it. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Eagle Mountain, Utah | Ralph, I know eactly what you are going through with vertical challenge. I've been riding an Ultra Classic for 10 yrs, and only 5' 2" tall is getting difficult to handle the bike. So when looking for new bike to replace my 01 Ultra, i decided to go with the Vision. Got a 2010 Black premium with ABS, spend $150 for a adjustable link, dealer installed for another $50.00 and i'm riding flat footed. I was able to handle the Vision with much more ease and confident than i ever have in the past 10 yrs with the Ultra, get the Vision and you will be bery happy. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I appreciate all of the positive comments. I sat on the Vision Tour Premium and was flat footed, so I'm convinced this is the one for me. My only reservations is that I've had my back lock up a few times (03 Screamin Eagle Road King) and the first time was when a deer decided to enter "my space". I did everything I was taught to do...stay put in your lane/track, don't try to swerve away, brake real hard and hope for the best. Well the deer hit me, but I was fortunate and only came away with a couple of scrapes. I vowed my next would have ABS. I realize the linked system must handle alot of these circumstances just from the responses that I've received. I do feel a little better about that, I just feel that white is more visible to the cell phone, latte drinking public armed with 5000 lb. asult weapons, otherwise I would get the black or blue and be done with it. When are the 11's due? |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Taken from the 2010 Vision Owner's Manual, pg 75.
"The anti-lock brake system will not prevent wheel lockup, loss of traction or loss of control under all conditions. Always adhere to all safe motorcycle-riding practices as recommended."
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So I guess you can out-maneuver the ABS in some conditions. We've been able to lock the front wheel of an ABS Vision while giving it gas as if to do a burnout. The rear wheel pushed the bike forward while the front skidded and didn't turn. We figured it would pulse but it didn't.
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Cruiser
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Houston, TX | Thanks for that info Jeff. |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | Ralph, how about putting a backrest from Utopia (www.UTPR.com) on the Vision. I would think that controlling the back lock up would be the correct fix. Not sure what causes yours to happen. |
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Cruiser
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NE Florida Jacksonville | Doing a tire burn usually requires the bike to be stopped. On the Vision ABS the system won't activate until you are above 6-10 MPH. That is why the front tire skidded when you did the burn. My ABS light stays on until I hit the target speed and then at that point the ABS system is active and the light goes out. To date I haven't felt the system kick in and the brakes feel like any other Vision I've ridden. The ABS system will not work from a stop, it has to sort out movement of both wheels and that is the reason for the light to remain on until the ABS computer figures out the bike is actually moving. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I appreciate the comment. I don't own a Vision yet. I lock up my Harley rear tire. It grabs and stops almost too well for a back brake. I've owned four street bikes and the Harleys seem to have a strong rear brake. Also I've noticed that it seems to lock up easier during the first few miles (tire too cold) and without a passenger. From all of the comments it appears that the linked system on the Vision works quite well and ABS doesn't seem like a must any longer. |
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Cruiser
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Henlow, Bedfordshire, England | Interesting, I went to a big Americana show today with several other riders today. We met at my local dealer and they had a Pearl White Vision waiting for delivery and guess what, it has ABS. Told there are 2 of them in the UK. |
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Tourer
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Salisbury, NC | Riding with a buddy to Atlanta last year, traffic came to a stop while we were running in the 80 mph range. He was on a H-D streetgluide with ABS. I stopped 10 ft quicker than he did. After that I had to bleed the brake line to get the rear brakes to work proper. ET |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Now that;s interesting. The brochure shows a white one with ABS but dealers say they can't get one with it. My dealer had an order for a white one cancelled back in 09. He said it was ordered in Sept. and the factory wants the dealers to work with all other dealers in an effort to try and swap among themselves rather than have alot of 10's when the 11's come out. I guess that's their inventory control. Anyway thanks for the info & glad to see someone is getting the white with ABS. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I realize that if you're really adept you can stop a little shorter without ABS, but everytime I've been in a panic situation I've locked up the rear brake. Once that happens nothing good normally comes out. I've been fortunate and got off of the brakes and pumped both very quickly and stopped in time. I guess I'm conditioned to slam on both as I do in all of my cars and trucks without any fear of lockup. I do appreciate the feedback. |
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Cruiser
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Stockton, California | Ralph - 2010-07-11 9:27 PM
Now that;s interesting. The brochure shows a white one with ABS but dealers say they can't get one with it. My dealer had an order for a white one cancelled back in 09. He said it was ordered in Sept. and the factory wants the dealers to work with all other dealers in an effort to try and swap among themselves rather than have alot of 10's when the 11's come out. I guess that's their inventory control. Anyway thanks for the info & glad to see someone is getting the white with ABS.
Ralph,
As a Whjite Vision owner I can tell you the brakes work great. I ride mostly 2 up and have had no problem with our bike. I will tell you that my dealer said he was told by his Victory rep that they are not making anymore white Visions. So if you want one you will probably have to have your dealer swap for one. It doesn't seem like there are very many white ones out on the road and it seems they will not be making any more. |
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Puddle Jumper
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| Thanks for the info. I think they would be making a mistake in eliminating the pearl white color. Just my opinion. It seems that it would be hard to move a color that can't be found in any showrooms? I haven't seen one yet that wasn't in a brochure or video. |
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Cruiser
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Stockton, California | Ralph,
You are so right. You do not see these around that much. I got mine from a small dealer in Lathrop Califoria. My wife and I rode to the Bay area and stopped in on the Arlen Ness show room and they came unglued! They did not have a white and were wondering how the small dealer got one. The manager there was on the phone immediately with their Victory rep requesting a white Vision. Of course being the premier dealer they soon had one and it sold quickly. (Kinda funny in my book) I guess by the end of this month we will know for sure when the 2011s are anounced if they will keep the white. |
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Cruiser
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Stockton, California | Ralph,
It looks like you will get your wish. The 2011 line up has just been uploaded on the Victory site. All 20 Visions will have ABS |
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Cruiser
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Stockton, California | Ralph,
It looks like you will get your wish. The 2011 line up has just been uploaded on the Victory site. All 20 Visions will have ABS and they still have pearl white.
Edited by BreadmanRo 2010-07-26 10:30 PM
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Puddle Jumper
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| Thanks for the concern. I had two prayers...1. 2011 would have white with ABS. 2. I find the funds to order one. So far I'm one for two. Keeping the faith for number 2! |
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Pearl White without ABS?