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Puddle Jumper
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| One of the selling points of Amsoil is supposed to be a decrease in oil change intervals. Do any of you go 5,000 between changes using the Amsoil or do you just stick with the 2500 recommendation? |
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New Bohemia, VA | I go with the rattling the motor does when it gets close to an oil change. I've only used Vic and AMSOIL and currently I'm running AMSOIL. Around the 2,200 mile mark with Vic oil the motor starts ticking, or rattling more and it quiet downs considerable changing it at the 2,500 mark for me. On AMSOIL that ticking doesn't start until after the 3,000 mile mark and yes I've taken it to 4,000. I have gone as far as 6,000 on Vic oil but it was sounding like it was coming apart by the time I changed. The oil was still above the add mark too, just not doing the cushioning job it should have been. That's all I've got to say about that.... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | you can do 5000 if you like onmy last bike which was a 2053cc (125ci) i did 7500 miles oil change intervals but i did this with PROOF the oil was still good. if you go to a website called blackstonelabs.com they will send you a oil testing kit. and if you the type of person that needs Proof your not hurting your engine, then send 4oz samples of your Used oil to their lab and for $22.50 (unless the price changed) they will do a test on your oil and let you know hows its doing.. http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free-test-kits.php
so if you do a 5000 mile test on your oil they will give you the results of the test and say. there is still alot of oil life left you can do 5000 mile OCI's or you can go further,. or they can say try 4000 mile OCI's.. when i did my tests i started at 3000 miles using amsoil i was at 7500 miles by the time i traded in the bike. and at 7500 miles they were saying the amsoil was still able to go longer! but i used facts to prove this. im doing the 2500 mile oci right now because im under waranty.. as soon as this warranty is up, im doing longer Oci's !! |
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Cruiser
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dinwiddie, va | we use royal purple in our bikes, we change oil every 5000 and oil filter after 2500. to keep oil clean. it still looks pretty good after 5000 |
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Iron Butt
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | I use SuperTech so I only have to change once per year, unlimited mileage. |
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New Bohemia, VA | victoryvisiontour - 2010-05-20 3:20 PM
I use SuperTech so I only have to change once per year, unlimited mileage.
I'm switching. I use the ST7317 already so that should be a good combo... I get 10% at wal-mart as well so that would be a super saver where I could buy more leather for the VV. |
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Cruiser
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Midlothian, Va. | Been a fan of Amsoil for many years also the Mobil 1-110 filter and see no need for changing. 5 to 6k or more between changes is no problem with Amsoil. |
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Jasper, MO | I've been going 5000 miles between oil and filter changes on my Victorys since the year 2000. My 2000 SC is still going strong on the original motor and tranny. I'm now also using Amsoil in my 2008 Vision and trying to go 5000 miles per change, but I'm up to 6000 miles this time.
My buddy has been running Amsoil in his 2001 Goldwing and goes 8000 to 10,000 miles per change. He's got 90,000 miles on it now. Runs like new.
Amsoil costs twice as much as other brands, and goes 2 -3 times longer per change. Works for me.
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Puddle Jumper
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Central Kentucky | I used Amsoil in a 2002 Victory 92" at 5000 mile intervals. After a 10 day, 5800 mile ride through the southwest in mid summer, the oil still looked a felt good when I changed it. So I continue to use Amsoil in my 2009 Vision at 5000 mile changes. |
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Cruiser
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McHenry, IL | Are you Amsoil guys running 10-40 or 20-50? |
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New Bohemia, VA | 10w40 |
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Cruiser
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Midlothian, Va. | 10w40 also |
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Tourer
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Dallas, Texas | I am thinking of using the new Castrol V-Twin Semi 20/50W at my next change. Full Synths seem to cause clutch slip issues later down the road. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | iluvink - 2010-05-21 12:05 PM
I am thinking of using the new Castrol V-Twin Semi 20/50W at my next change. Full Synths seem to cause clutch slip issues later down the road.
which brand of synth are cauing these clutchs to slip? |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm testing that right now using Amsoil and still no slip at 68,000. I'll give my next update at 70,000 miles. |
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NE Florida Jacksonville | I used Amsoil in my 2002 TCD for over 45,000 miles. I changed the filter every 2500 and topped it off. At 5000 oil and filter. No issues with the clutch whatsoever. Most of the riding was two up and loaded so she got a good workout. The first year I used Victory oil to satisfy the warranty with the dealer, I did my own changes after the first 500 mile service. Once the first year was over I went to Amsoil, it did quiet down the engine quite a bit. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Arkainzeye - 2010-05-21 4:13 PM
iluvink - 2010-05-21 12:05 PM
I am thinking of using the new Castrol V-Twin Semi 20/50W at my next change. Full Synths seem to cause clutch slip issues later down the road.
which brand of synth are cauing these clutchs to slip?
All of them........
This is only an issue for aggressive riders. The engagement starts to become "lazy", and then slowly works into a slip. When I say aggressive I do not mean a guy that rolls on the throttle every once in a while. I mean someone that rides hard; be it twisties, or straight line. Also people that really slip their clutches on launch, and shift tend to have problems. Those of you that ride like old ladies are likely to never have a problem |
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New Bohemia, VA | lOl, I wonder how that'll pan out if you ride like a little old man.... |
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Memphis | VisionTex has 47k with the cams and Amsoil. No clutch slip and trust me, he don't ride like a lil' ol' lady. He keeps trying to talk me into goin over, but I'm just quite there yet. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i used synth (amsoil/mobil1) in every bike i ever had. even a CBR600 and never had a clutch go bad to slip to where you could feel it.. CBR600 revs way high than ANY victory! lol Now i do NOT add additives to my oil or anything like that. and i use synth Motorcycle oil.. NOT synth car oil... ive had synth is my smallest bike 600cc to my largest 2053cc. the 600cc was a high revving horsepower bike the 2053cc was mostly all Torque and i mean Torque! |
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Tourer
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Chattanooga, TN | varyder - 2010-05-20 3:36 PM victoryvisiontour - 2010-05-20 3:20 PM I use SuperTech so I only have to change once per year, unlimited mileage. I'm switching. I use the ST7317 already so that should be a good combo... I get 10% at wal-mart as well so that would be a super saver where I could buy more leather for the VV. WTF? (WorldTrampolineFoundation) Do you really use generic wally world automobile grade dino oil in a Vision? Please, straighten this out for me before I blow a gasket!! Baadawg '08 Vision Blacked Out I think I'll call her Black Betty
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New Bohemia, VA | I just use the filter.... |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Arkainzeye - 2010-05-21 9:03 PM
i used synth (amsoil/mobil1) in every bike i ever had. even a CBR600 and never had a clutch go bad to slip to where you could feel it.. CBR600 revs way high than ANY victory! lol Now i do NOT add additives to my oil or anything like that. and i use synth Motorcycle oil.. NOT synth car oil... ive had synth is my smallest bike 600cc to my largest 2053cc. the 600cc was a high revving horsepower bike the 2053cc was mostly all Torque and i mean Torque!
It is about clutch size, weight of the bike, torque output of the motor, and clamping force on the pack. You can not compare a 300 pound sportbike that makes 65FtLbs peak to an 800 pound bike that makes 100+FtLb. The Suzi 2 liter had a much larger basket with a different engagement system. Again it is apples, and oranges. Like it or not, clutch slippage with full synth oils in Vic motors is a fact |
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Visionary
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| I'd say play it by ear. Like Varyder I base my NEED to change oil on what the bike is telling me. I've noticed over the years that the shifts become notchy as the oil gets close to needing changed, or at least thats what I feel by seat of the pants. I don't care if it is at 2k or 4k if it feels notchy I change it. I change my oil at the 2500 interval when at home but if on a road trip I'll stretch it out running the amsoil (I've run the Mobil1 & Castrol Vtwin as well). I run the 20/50 synthetic rather than the 10/40.
As for slipping with synthetic? My bike did begin to slip ever so slightly running the Amsoil some time bck, and I'm hardly aggressive and definitely don't slip the clutch. HOWEVER, after replacing the oil with the Victory oil for 2500, I returned to the amsoil with no further slipping issues. The oil sample testing advice is good if you don't feel good about seat of the pants observation. JMO |
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Pittsburgh, PA | yeah what is nice about the oil sample test is, when i had my kawasaki i foundout i was changing my oil (using synth) WAY WAY too soon, and basically wasting most and time.. people told me the amsoil could go the distance but we are so brain washed into the 3000 mile Oil change interval that i couldnt believe anyone. UNLESS i can proof.. and as i said before at 7500 miles on the amsoil in my old kaw the test came back showing the additives and cleaners along with the visocity were ALL still in the grade! and this wasnt for a victory so each application is diffenent.. but doing a synth oil change is not cheap (neither is a victory semi-synth oil change) . So it was nice to get Proof that im causing no harm at all by exteneding my OCI. whem my warranty is up i will surely extened my OCI's.. right now i dont trust victorys warranty dept to have my back, even if i have proof.. ive read too many times on difference forums where they denied claims for things that werent related to the problem, all because someone installed a aftermarket device, fuel controller, leds etc.... give them a chance to deny your claim and they will do it! |
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Iron Butt
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Southeast Iowa | Amsoil, 20w50 (because I think it's quieter than the 10w40), 5000 mile intervals, used Amsoil in 4 Victory's (2005 TC with Big Bore Kit, 2004 Kingpin, 2008 Vision with cams, 2010 Cross Roads) I don't ride as hard as some but I ride hard enough to slip a clutch if it's destined to. I have never noticed any slip on any of my bikes. |
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Tourer
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northwest florida | I am thinking of using the new Castrol V-Twin Semi 20/50W at my next change. Full Synths seem to cause clutch slip issues later down the road.
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Pittsburgh, PA | So how is Mobil 1 for passenger cars different from Mobil 1 for motorcycles?
First, let's be clear about Mobil 1's overall benefits compared to those of conventional motor oils, whether for passenger cars or motorcycles
It's a little hard to generalize about the difference between Mobil 1 passenger-car motor oils and Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. That's because not all viscosities of Mobil 1 passenger-car oils have the same levels of zinc and phosphorus, and there are even greater differences among the three Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. In general, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils have:
Additive packages balanced differently for motorcycle engine and transmission operation. For passenger vehicles, fuel economy and emission system protection are higher priorities. These require low phosphorus systems and the use of friction modifiers. Motorcycle oils do not require friction modifiers for fuel economy and for better clutch friction less/no friction modifier is optimum. Motorcycle oils allow the use of higher levels of antiwear additives such as ZDDP (phosphorous).
What about Mobil 1 V-Twin oil? How is that different from Mobil 1 for passenger cars?
Mobil 1 V-Twin oil is designed for air-cooled, large-displacement bikes. Because of their design, these engines can generate very high localized oil temperatures and high overall bulk-oil temperatures.
As you know, a typical air-cooled V-twin's rear cylinder gets a lot hotter than the front cylinder ? it's a matter of airflow. When it's hot out and you're stuck in traffic, the oil temperature in your bike climbs rapidly. Above about 250?F, conventional motor oil is going to break down. Mobil 1 V-Twin synthetic oil is good to above 300?F
the reason i copied and pasted this was. so people do go to a oil makers website and read the FAQ.. thats all... no biggie.. |
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Tourer
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Dallas, Texas | At my last change, I did switch to Mobil1 V-Twin, but with potential clutch slip issue on full synths, I think that I will find a semi-syn. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | iluvink - 2010-05-24 10:45 AM
At my last change, I did switch to Mobil1 V-Twin, but with potential clutch slip issue on full synths, I think that I will find a semi-syn.
So are you switching to semi synth because your clutch IS slipping? Or Just because your worried about it slipping?
What's happening right now with the oil in your engine?
I just started using mobil1 motorcycle oil. I only have 700 miles on the oil. But so far my clutch is having no issues with the oil at all an that's with 2 up riding |
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Tourer
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Dallas, Texas | Don't have it now. But I do realize that with time and oil changes, the Vic semi that was in there, will eventually be completely gone. I don't think that the clutch slip is immediate. On my VTX, it had begun after about 4 or 5 changes. At the time, I didn't realize why. I thought it was a mechanical problem. Looking back, it makes sense now. I was using Amsoil.
Edited by iluvink 2010-05-24 11:54 AM
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Pittsburgh, PA | iluvink - 2010-05-24 11:52 AM
Don't have it now. But I do realize that with time and oil changes, the Vic semi that was in there, will eventually be completely gone. I don't think that the clutch slip is immediate. On my VTX, it had begun after about 4 or 5 changes. At the time, I didn't realize why. I thought it was a mechanical problem. Looking back, it makes sense now. I was using Amsoil.[/
On your vtx when u stopped using amsoil did the clutch stop slipping. I ask because on some Kawasaki Vulcan models they had Weak clutch springs. All these clutches were slipping and everyone instantly though it was oil.. until people put new or stronger springs while they reused the same Clutch then all was good.. |
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Dallas, Texas | Arkainzeye - 2010-05-24 12:06 PM
iluvink - 2010-05-24 11:52 AM
Don't have it now. But I do realize that with time and oil changes, the Vic semi that was in there, will eventually be completely gone. I don't think that the clutch slip is immediate. On my VTX, it had begun after about 4 or 5 changes. At the time, I didn't realize why. I thought it was a mechanical problem. Looking back, it makes sense now. I was using Amsoil.[/
On your vtx when u stopped using amsoil did the clutch stop slipping. I ask because on some Kawasaki Vulcan models they had Weak clutch springs. All these clutches were slipping and everyone instantly though it was oil.. until people put new or stronger springs while they reused the same Clutch then all was good..
Well, I traded it for the Vision, so it is hard to say. But I do recall on the VTX boards, that anyone who had these issues were full synth users. It is one of those things that you don't realize, until you look back.
On a side note... have you notice that their are now several oils that come in liter bottles, rather than quarts? Interesting. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | 1 US liquid quart = 0.946352946 litres
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Pittsburgh, PA | Arkainzeye - 2010-05-24 1:52 PM
1 US liquid quart = 0.946352946 litres
i wish we used the metric system. the rest of the world does. i like how accurate the metric system is.. a lot of nuts/bolts on the vision is metric.. 10mm etc even the drain plug is metric I think? Most of my tools are metric. That?s from owning kaw;s and Honda?s . seems like every this sae is rounded up or down? Quart, inch, etc. |
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