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New Bohemia, VA | ...there I was coming on to one of the worse entrance/exit to any interstate in this nation. Coming from Rt460 on to I-95 North is just a few feet to the I-85 South Exit. From 460 there is a long chute that also has another merge from 301Bus to I-95 north and the exit to Washington street all in one little bundle. So I'm usually on the throttle to get out there and pace myself with the north bound traffic and get clear of those going I-85.
All is running well until the moment I hit I-95 as I roll back HOTT and the Vision suddendly feels like it is running on one cylinder. I'm banging on the pipe to the engine room for Scotty to give me more power as the Klingons are bearing down on me quickly, to include some freighters. I begin to work gears and throttle and trying to keep 'er sailing the best I can. I'm not wanting to stop and was hoping Scotty would come through. I'm in more convergence from I-85 to I-95 Northbound, more exits and entrances from the side streets and so on. This thing is dieing above 3 grand and will pop like crazy. Even at a steady 2 grand it is bucking underload. At idle it is perfectly fine. It is a mad house in morning rush hour and I reach up and hit the Limp Lights in hopes no one will run over me. Stopping is even worse than moving as there is very little shoulders. Fortunetly the Wally-World exit is just a short piece and I'm able to make in there. I go in to interact with one of the blue aliens (wife unit who is just punching out) and get me some seafoam dilithum crystals.
I throw in the whole pint of dilithum crystals and look at the ship. I'm thinking just maybe everything will be fine and it was computer problem. Nope, fire it up and it is still doing the same thing. I orbit around planet Wally for a few figure eights and serpentines and finally decide it's time to take it to starbase, if it will make it. My "drive it till she blows" philosophy is kicking in as I don't want to put it on the hook. I start working my way home and eventually find a side road and pull of off. I get off the bike and do more looking. I thought maybe I'll disconnect the battery and let it set for a while to reset the computer and maybe it will be alright. Well, I've broken the first cardinal rule of riding, I have NO TOOLs with me (Scotty you're fired). So I do some looking, poking, tapping, pulling and let the motor run. Idle is okay, rev slowly there is some popping, and at 4 grand it drops to 2,500 and the more roll-on the throttle it just seems to be running on one cylinder and stays right there at 2,500.
Finally I give it another shot to get it home and I get out and start rolling and now it sputters some at the low-end, below 2,500 and runs fine a the 2,500-3,000 and above. I'm able to get back out on I-295 and all seems to be well at speed, but when I get off on to the ramp and bring it back down it is sputtering at the slower rpm's and smoothing out at the upper range.
I've rehired Scotty and we'll go over it tomorrow, but I left the Bentley at home and took the wheelchair to work. Just sharing, maybe someone has some input, but at this point I'm thinking I've got a bad case of gas and it just has to be blown out. I'll do that tomorrow. |
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Rockford, IL | I'm gonna agree with the bad gas theory. And toss in a possible ECM issue. Perhaps the adaptive logic was getting fuzzy? Try unplugging the ECM and letting it sit for about 10 minutes?
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New Bohemia, VA | I was going to shake it down tomorrow. I'm going to disconnect the battery, but also recheck all my connections as well as pull the plugs and I might put new wires on it. My first thought was the computer was freaking, and then because it happened so close to home that maybe I picked bad fuel from Sheetz the evening before. The plugs do tell a story, and mine have been telling a lot on mine. It really is time to shake it down one time to see what else is going on at 67,400 miles. I need the dealer to pop it on the computer one time as well. Thanks for the feedback guys... |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | The double gonkulator valve is known to burn out around 67,399 miles. Since this is a Vic only part and it takes a special canooter jig to get it out, it's going to be an expensive repair. |
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New Bohemia, VA | that was my first thought. I figured as long as it was running like it was, I'd get a Motor Company Badge and cover up all signs of Victory and keep on a riding.... |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Also check your sensors and connecting wires. If the temp sensor wire is loose it will cause the engine to think its cold and richen things way up. Happened to me on my old Vic and had the same symptoms. Reconnected the wire and it ran fine. |
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Rockford, IL | I'm not real sure why I'm saying this but I think unhooking the battery is not the best way to clear out the ECM. I think I remember Kevin or someone saying that even with unhooking the battery the ECM still stores some type of "residual" info?
It is pretty easy to unplug the ECM. Simply pop the seat and unplug the ECM. I think there is a gray "lock lever" that slides over and then the plug can be pulled.
Once again....hellifiknow....
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New Bohemia, VA | The funny thing is I just did that about 2 weeks ago to check out the connection to make sure all is well. Nothing unusual was happening until this morning. Thanks for pointing out that though... |
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New Bohemia, VA | I've put at least a grand on it since and even went about 400 in a day with no symptoms. I got gas last night and drove maybe 25 miles home. This morning went about three miles, zero provlems, then without warning....
I can agree on the possible connection.. (or disconnection, as in wire) and oh, with 67,000 on the clock, anything is possible.
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Midlothian, Va. | Whatever it is I hope it's not contagious as we were parked next to each other Monday for lunch. Let me know if you need any help with it Chris. |
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seattle, wa | I am betting on it being a loose connection. Might have jarred it loose or didnt tighten it down during your front end work. |
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New Bohemia, VA | disconnected and reconnected all associated wires up front for removing triple tree. Disconnected ECM for 10 min+, reconnected. Start and it runs bad. Even at idle sputters now. Removed plugs and find the foul and smelling like fuel. Got the battery disconnected and will reconnect in a moment. I don't think that will make a difference, I believe some brain thing is shot. Going to the manual now... |
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I had the same thing happen to me about 5000 miles ago, I took a trip on the highway and after about an hour at 70-75 miles it started breaking up. pulled over checked everything, nothing amiss. kept riding , couldn't go over 2500 rpm before it started breaking up. After about an hour of trying to boost up the rpms over 2500 and a stop for some fresh gas it gradually got better, up to 3500 rpm's. I checked everything when I made it home, still nothing wrong. I contacted Kevinx with my thoughts that it was just bad gas. He wasn't sure but agreed it might be. I ran all of the old gas out and took some small rides to clear it out. Eventually it got better and better till I could red line it with no breakups. It seems like the Vision just doesn't react to things the way other bikes do. It had me baffled , but it hasn't happened since. Maybe instead of trying all of the other ideas as far as ECM and other electronic issues you should just try and ride it out. I know you are a long distance commuter so maybe it will work itself out. I had it happen one other time for a short period , but it cleared up within a few miles, I chalked it up to possible water in the air filter because I had just washed it the night before and didn't dry it properly. Good luck, hope this story helps.
PS. I used to live in Suffolk Va. so I am familiar with some of the roads you ride on. I miss them !
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks LIVV, you give me a tinge of hope on this as I had only put gas in it the night before. I'll "try" to ride it some more tomorrow as it seems to drift between where it wants to break up the most. Right now it seems to be doing it all the time, to include idle. They're calling for rain tomorrow but hopefully it won't do it to much, nothing like bucking in the rain.... |
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| Chris, if you think it is bad gas and it very well may be, you might be better off to find a way to drain it rather than running it through the motor. If the gas doesn't seem to be the culprit you might consider the state of your battery. Hope you get it figured out asap. Let us know what you find. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | I carry a siphon hose with me at all times. Sometimes when I'm out in the middle of nowhere I am forced to get gas at questionable locations. The bad stuff can be siphoned out in a few minutes instead of riding it out for a couple of hours. (The hose also comes in handy when a buddy runs out and we need to transfer some from another bike.)
An easy way to find out if it is bad gas is to siphon it all out and run it dry. Fill up a 1 gallon can and put it in the saddle bag and head out on the back roads. When the motor quits, put in the fresh gas. Just make sure you are not farther away from home or a gas station than 1 gallon will get you.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Why not mix old gas with new? Just fill up now, then every gallon or two. Soon you are all 'fresh' gas.... |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | What I mean is - kinda what I do with my lawnmower every spring - just throw some fresh gas in with the old shit - has worked for me for 50 years.... |
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New Bohemia, VA | Teach - 2010-04-23 10:22 PM
Chris, if you think it is bad gas and it very well may be, you might be better off to find a way to drain it rather than running it through the motor. If the gas doesn't seem to be the culprit you might consider the state of your battery. Hope you get it figured out asap. Let us know what you find.
the battery is another consideration, but it cranks fine and shows +14 on the meter. But it is the original....
As far as running it out, well, how do you get 6 gals out of a split tank without ripping the bike apart? My guess any damage that going to be done is done. I filled it up again before I got it home but if it is water it's going be gone. Right now the Bentley is parked...
Thanks for the input, it helps, as I move slow in these situations...
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LaPorte,Tx. | varyder - 2010-04-24 3:21 AM
Teach - 2010-04-23 10:22 PM
Chris, if you think it is bad gas and it very well may be, you might be better off to find a way to drain it rather than running it through the motor. If the gas doesn't seem to be the culprit you might consider the state of your battery. Hope you get it figured out asap. Let us know what you find.
the battery is another consideration, but it cranks fine and shows +14 on the meter. But it is the original....
As far as running it out, well, how do you get 6 gals out of a split tank without ripping the bike apart? My guess any damage that going to be done is done. I filled it up again before I got it home but if it is water it's going be gone. Right now the Bentley is parked...
Thanks for the input, it helps, as I move slow in these situations...
Chris, just got mine back from the service dept for the 45k service. Original battery and they tested it and said I should consider changing it out soon. So this month it is on the plan. Mine cranks fine as charges at +14, but they say it is weak.
I would siphon out the gas, just set the bike up on level on the jack, that way the left tank will siphon out. I would not run it dry as that may damage the fuel pump, a new fuel pump it $300+ if you install yourself. Good luck on this issue. Hope you find it soon and get back on the road.
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New Bohemia, VA | Okay - talking out loud here. Got the battery on the trickle charge, but as soon as I hooked it, it indicated a good charge, no meter, just a green light. Went and got the dielectric grease, in 30+ years of tinkering and working on Army and civilian equipment, to include my own vehicles, I've never used this stuff that I can ever recall. When I put the battery in I'll use it, and I'm going to get some plug wires for it and use it there as well. Also, will switch out the plugs. I'm going to use the dielectrical on all the plugs to include the PCM and see if that helps. If that doesn't work, then I'll sipon the gas out, but how will I know I get all the contaminates if that is what it is? |
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Memphis | VR - You were asking about the fuel filter back around the 30,000 mile mark and found out it is not a serviceable item. Any way to get it out of the right tank and at least look at it to possibly clean it? |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm might be totally wrong but in another discussion the filter I read, is serviced only be replacing the entire fuel pump unit, at least for the '08's. I'll be on my way shortly to get a new battery and some plug wires, one looks rather grody so I figure new wires and battery won't hurt. I'll dielectric all the connectors, plug wires and terminals and see what happens. If not, it is fuel next, but would have got it to the dealer today for the Digital Wrench, but SURPRISE! dealer not open. |
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New Bohemia, VA | The above post should have been presented about 2 hours ago, but forgot to hit the submit button.
I know there has to be a few folks that cringe everytime I post some technical or anything else for that matter. But I figure we can all learn a little something, even from the village idiot, not be confused with a village people, mind you.
Since the dealer was closed, the plug wires, battery and I have been out cruzing the town and had a great time. Did stop by Sears and got a new filter for Mr. Fridge, albeit the wrong one none the less. When I ride out to get the right filter the battery and wires will be where they belong and not in the back of the Jeep.
Okay, went looking at the Jap shop, and the Hog joint for new wires, but you know what, Victory is unique, yah! Wife unit kept telling me there is nothing wrong with the battery, why get a new one. Since she is really good at crocheting and Farmville I figured she knows what she's talking about. So I come back home and start dielectricaling all the connectors, cleaned up the battery terminals and the spark plug wires and dielectriced them as well and tightened everything down. One of the coil ends on the wire showed obvious signs of arching for awhile and figured that might have something to do with it.
So the moment of truth... same thing! Argh at this point, I think I'll become a pirate as much as I arghed today. Come to think of it, my wife unit even took a picture of me with her phone using a pirate hat overlay, but I digress as always.
Keep in mind I let this thing idle for quit a while and give it some revs to see what is going on, so over the last two days I've ran about 30 minutes or more of fuel through the engine. I piddle some more, that is what I do, piddle, hopeing the Bentley won't have to hook it down to the Victory dealer ON TUESDAY! So as I piddle I see the little ground wire for the PCM and give it a twist and it moves. Hmmmm, I say, let me check this, clean and tighten this little wire down. So I do and fire it up again, hopeing. Same thing...argh, argh. So as it is idleling I rev it a few more times and it is slowly smoothing out. Hmmmmm, and more hmmmm, has the wire fixed it and all the other dielectricalling or is the bad fuel slowly working its way out? I don't know at this point, but for a few moments in time it was running normal again. At this time I'm putting everything back together and taking it out for space trials to planet Sears to exchange my water filter.
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New Bohemia, VA | Digital Wrench baby... maybe Tuesday, well anyways, it'll be at the dealer I hope. ARGH. I've ran it and put Heet in it, and the way it acts to me is a misfire, not fuel problem. It'll backfire and flames shoot out the left side no less ???. It will run like a scolded dog on acceration but then buck like an ole mule at speed on throttle rest... you know, just enough throttle to keep it going. I'd go to a lower gear just to keep the throttle working, and getting in traffic with the flames shooting out I bet they thought it was all part of the show with the spacey looking bike and all. Glad it looked like rain today so there wasn't any Harley's out to see me buckin' the bronco.
Man, Tuesday will not get here fast enough, I figured as she grew older I'd be doing what think I'm getting ready do. I guess mine is like 15 years old since I don't think they expect more than 4,000 miles a year on these things. But if Vic's are as bullet proof as they say in the motor, I figure a couple of line replaceable units are where they'll make their dollar. What's the cost of a PCM, TPS, etc, etc...? ...rhetorical question people....
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| Lol, well it is at the point now when my dealer calls victory they ask how many miles I'm now up to so they'd really be scratching their heads and laughing if they were hearing your mileage. I'm gonna stick with bad gas or a bad battery. If the bikes battery is on its way out it would act as you describe and water in the gas can also cause the issues you are having. That said a trip to the dealer would be my option. Keep us posted as to what gets found and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that it is something simple and inexpensive. |
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Grand Cane, LA | Sounds like you got some gas with too much ethanol in it. Some of these stations are trying to get by with more ethanol in the fuel because it is cheaper but they can still charge you the same per gallon to increase their profit. The ethanol attracts more water and will cause your fuel to have more water percentage content per gallon. Hopefully it won't anything more serious than bad gas. |
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Central New York | This is like a good novel. Now I can't wait till Tuesday. It's like we're all waiting to see if it's a boy or girl.
Sorry, don't mean to make lite of your frustration. But I couldn't resist! |
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San Antonio, TX | atvtinker - 2010-04-25 12:55 AM
Sounds like you got some gas with too much ethanol in it..........The ethanol attracts more water and will cause your fuel to have more water percentage content per gallon.
Hopefully it won't anything more serious than bad gas.
This post rings true!
Now I am going to have some Glengoyne, that has aged for 14 years in American Oak.
It is a Cask Strength (59.6%) Single Malt Whisky which traditionally requires a cut 50/50 with water.....plus it will cover up that other smell.
http://www.glengoyne.com/
2007 Rare Bottlings
14 years Single Cask 1993 (14 Years Old)
American Oak Sherry Hogshead
Wood Type: American Oak Sherry Hogshead
Cask No: 832
No. of Bottles: 296 (and one of them is mine all mine!!!!!!)
Strength at 70cl: 59.6%
Distillation Date: 12 April 1993
Bottling Date: October 2007
Approved By: Robert Hughes, Distillery Manager
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Cottage Grove, Mn | radioteacher - 2010-04-25 8:42 PM
atvtinker - 2010-04-25 12:55 AM
Sounds like you got some gas with too much ethanol in it..........The ethanol attracts more water and will cause your fuel to have more water percentage content per gallon.
Hopefully it won't anything more serious than bad gas.
This post rings true!
Now I am going to have some Glengoyne, that has aged for 14 years in American Oak.
It is a Cask Strength (59.6%) Single Malt Whisky which traditionally requires a cut 50/50 with water.....plus it will cover up that other smell.
http://www.glengoyne.com/
2007 Rare Bottlings
14 years Single Cask 1993 (14 Years Old)
American Oak Sherry Hogshead
Wood Type: American Oak Sherry Hogshead
Cask No: 832
No. of Bottles: 296 (and one of them is mine all mine!!!!!!)
Strength at 70cl: 59.6%
Distillation Date: 12 April 1993
Bottling Date: October 2007
Approved By: Robert Hughes, Distillery Manager
Next to may Vision my true weakness Cask #6249. 2 fingers with a tablespoon of water and a good cigar.
http://www.thebalvenie.com/en-us/ourRange_currentRange_VintageCask1... |
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New Bohemia, VA | where are those cool plug wires, color, or steel brad. I want to replace the wires so I might order them. I'm getting new plugs today. Just trying process of elimination before taking it to the dealer. It actually ran a spell with no problems this morning. I shut the bike off and started it a few minutes later, and it went back into convulsions... argh, argh... |
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Brighton, TN | It sounds like you have greased everything including yourself. Throw some dielectric grease on the wife, just in case she may want to have a bad connection! I had a very similar problem about a year into mine. Rolling down the road and get all crazy, high revs, die out, crank back up and almost 2000 rpm, blip throttle no change, etc. If I could let the bike sit for about 5 - 10 minutes then all was good till I started going again and get a few miles down the road.
Troubleshooting found the hot wire to be very, barely loose. I mean like you could barely move the wire a quarter of an inch. But there was enough room to where you could just barely get it too move. I happen to be lucky and my broinlaw was along for the ride. When it finally quit, I had him just start pushing on the wires around the battery or anything else he could see. He managed to move the hot lead a smidge and the dash lit up and then went back out. Kept monkeying around with it till it went hot and figured it out.
If I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes, I might have not believed it. Took it home and pulled the cables off, wire brushed till I was tired and needing another beer, parts were shiny, liberal amounts of dielectric grease on the wire. Then started on the battery, another beer, battery terminals shiny, more dielectric grease. Snug the screw down till hand hurts and unable to grunt anymore, another beer, go back topside, flip the switch and haven't had a problem since.
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dinwiddie, va | VisionTex - 2010-04-24 12:22 PM
varyder - 2010-04-24 3:21 AM
Teach - 2010-04-23 10:22 PM
Chris, if you think it is bad gas and it very well may be, you might be better off to find a way to drain it rather than running it through the motor. If the gas doesn't seem to be the culprit you might consider the state of your battery. Hope you get it figured out asap. Let us know what you find.
the battery is another consideration, but it cranks fine and shows +14 on the meter. But it is the original....
As far as running it out, well, how do you get 6 gals out of a split tank without ripping the bike apart? My guess any damage that going to be done is done. I filled it up again before I got it home but if it is water it's going be gone. Right now the Bentley is parked...
Thanks for the input, it helps, as I move slow in these situations...
Chris, just got mine back from the service dept for the 45k service. Original battery and they tested it and said I should consider changing it out soon. So this month it is on the plan. Mine cranks fine as charges at +14, but they say it is weak.
I would siphon out the gas, just set the bike up on level on the jack, that way the left tank will siphon out. I would not run it dry as that may damage the fuel pump, a new fuel pump it $300+ if you install yourself. Good luck on this issue. Hope you find it soon and get back on the road.
Hey Tex
I would hang on to that battery. Sounds like someone is trying to get you to buy a battery. My bet is that they just got a fancy high tech battery tester just like all the other dealers and it will give a printout stating the battery condition. I have customers with original batteries in 2003 models. I highly doubt your battery is "weak." Don't change it till it gives you a reason too, they ain't cheap
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Cabot Arkansas | i had a harley in my past that the positive wire got water in the terminal end and corroded the wire to the point that it feel appart(only took 2 years of riding) you might have already checked this but its worth a look. |
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New Bohemia, VA | pollolittle - 2010-05-02 12:51 AM
hmmmm, still not riding, how ODD!
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New Bohemia, VA | glighto11 - 2010-05-02 10:07 AM
That's gotta be like being sent to your room without supper!
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Richmond, Virginia | Sounds like the fuel pump to me. Have you checked fuel pressure? I bet thats the deal Doubtful its fuel. But what do I know,,,
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If the pressure if good, you still need to check flow. The fuel lines have push-to-connect fittings. There is one located next the Schrader valve mentioned above. Push the blue buttons and pull it off. The fitting will hang from fuel line. Put the fitting/fuel line in a glass jar and turn on the key. Not sure of the spec, but it should gush out. Watch your eyes because it might spray out of the jar.
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| varyder - 2010-05-05 7:00 PM
me too!
I've ran out of popcorn already  |
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| Ok you gotta have some idea as to the issue by now????? |
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New Bohemia, VA | the resolution is there, I just don't have it on the road. I don't like to be presumptious and say this is "the" problem only to find out there may be something else to pop up. I learned in Army maintenance never to say what is broke or when it will be fixed until it was rolling out of the motorpool. But I will say the fuel pump should be in today and bar any unseen circumstances I should be rolling again in a few days. |
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| Sounds like a reasonable source of your grief as others have had FP issues. Hope this is the last of your troubles and down time. |
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New Bohemia, VA | home, running fine. Fuel pump. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Well, as they say in (NOT) my part of the country: YEE HAW !!!!
Chris - what adventures await??? |
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| A solution to a difficult problem is a wonderful thing. It is is very cool that your back on the road. Happy riding! |
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New Bohemia, VA | Yes, it is. So far I just rode it home, and I have to go to work in the morning. It's good to be back on, but it is business as what I consider, usual. I'm still waiting to see if I have to go to Barstow in July, but I know I've got a few more Atlanta and beyond trips to make this year. Thanks for the well wishes. |
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Iron Butt
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | Looks like VaParadox nailed it.
It's good to know the Vision will still limp home when the fuel pump goes bad. |
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New Bohemia, VA | let's just say VaP has an inside scoop... |
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LaPorte,Tx. | varyder, did the fuel pump give you any indications there was an issue prior to the failure? I had mine changed in Feb. due to a noise change that I heard when turning the key on. Normally there is a soft sounding hummmm, mine sounded like a parrot getting choked. Just wondering if you heard a change. |
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New Bohemia, VA | no, if you read the initial post that is when I noticed something was amiss. I asked the tech if it quit sucking he said no, it just wasn't putting out. |
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Brighton, TN | that's the best way you can say that. The teenager inside of me wants to come out and play with that last statement. Sounds like an old girlfriend I once knew. |
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New Bohemia, VA |  |
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NW Jersey | Varyder,
Glad to hear that the "demon" was exorcized from your ride. For future reference (so I can start saving up now) How much is a fuel pump these day$? and is it something that can be done at home? Just curious and glad it wasn't an internal engine problem but an R&R electro-mechanical part.
You mentioned Barstow, a business or vacation destination? I know of a Marine supply depot being there AND THE "TRAIN STATION" (caboose restaurant?) but not much more exciting until the Windmills at Tehacipi Pass. That would be a great trip thru the Southwest.
Take care, back in the saddle has to feel good!
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New Bohemia, VA | The fuel pump according to the repair sheet was $550 total, or there abouts. Everything look good even the filter which is just a mesh boot over the pickup.
Barstow is a business destination, and as interestingly enough that I've been out there many times, I know very little about the place. I really spend my time over on Fort Irwin and can tell you more about the Mojave than I wanted to know.
If I do get to ride and stay more than a week, Tehacipi is a definite destination as my Mom and Dad lived there a few years right after they were married. Back in them days Route 50 was the cross country route from Virginia and that is the way they went. That is another road I want to travel and meet the Loneliest Highway.
Edited by varyder 2010-05-14 8:19 AM
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LaPorte,Tx. | When I had the fuel pump replaced in Feb. I checked two dealers besides the one that did the repair. Lowest price I found for the pump assembly was $327 just for the assembly no labor. I was told by the dealer that Victory gives them 1.5 hours to replace the pump. It took more like 4 hours, the mechanic was pissed, I guess he only gets paid what the book says. The pump assembly part number for the 08 and 09 Visions is 250786, but it has been superceded for 2010 with a new part number 2521030, besure to get the new part number pump if you replace it. I'm thinking maybe there is an improvement in the pump, but don't know that. Changing the pump out according to the service manual is not a bad job, it just takes time to remove faring parts. Getting the pump out and the new one into the tank, looks very easy after all the faring parts are removed. Mine was replaced under the extended warranty.
I rode US 50 back in the '80s, besure to keep and eye on the gas tank and don't pass up a chance to stop and top off. I remember stopping at a two pump gas station, which happened to be on the Nevada/Utah border. Nice woman running had some trailers on the Nevada side that were motel/casino and the gas pumps/ station on the Utah side of the line. There was nothing around..."Middle of No Where"! She was friendly. 
Edited by VisionTex 2010-05-14 9:05 AM
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Brighton, TN | From what I understand the newer pumps come with an improved float. The previous float was a arm, with a float on the end. The new design is one that most others use and that is the vertical rod with a float. That's what I understand currently. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm not sure if it is an improvement, the gage drops at the same rate as it did before. I was able to keep the spoil and might make a clock or something like that out of it and it does have a good army thing. I'm glad you have some understanding of something, I often wonder working for the IRS if there is anyone who understands anything!
V.T. I'm not sure why the tech would take so long with the exception of inexperience as it only requires taking off the left panel to expose the top of the fuel tank. -
Bing! It just occured to me Po, they put the old style pump back in because my tech said the hard part was getting that army thing to cooperate going in....hmmmm... at least that is what I understand... understand? |
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dinwiddie, va | no differences in pumps. same arms and floats, and everything .Victory changes part #'s when they have a change in manufacturers for parts. it's quite annoying actually. |
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | <---- not only pretty but smart. No assistance needed. just cause i dont jump in on here with engine specs dont mean i dont know jack about the bike. Case in point, do you ever remember me posting on here about a problem with my bike???? NEGATIVE
But its good that the snowman is back on the road !! |
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Brighton, TN | Well said "Bandit" |
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Flame out on I-95