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Cabot Arkansas | I know the cam upgrade really increase's the hp and torque but I am wondering if there is a possible down side such as increased risk of burnt valves ,I am guessing the lift is not much if any greater than stock since you use the stock springs so it must be longer duration on the valve's opening which got me to wondering.Maybe KevinX or some other motorhead can enlighten me.I guess the reason Victory doesn't use this cam grind is because of the air nazi's I mean EPA. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Duration, and overlap, and timing are the big changes to the cams, and the odds of burning a valve are about nill. Several people are approaching the 70K mark with this upgrade, and not a single problem to date. I have said it before. This grind is the Holy Grail of cams as far as I am concerned. As long as I have been building motors; I have never seen such a great all around performer that makes no sacrifice in other areas. The folks that designed this grind are the best in the biz, and Vic just wished they could have come up with something like this |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Considering joining a kevinx "Cam party" in Omaha. What are the pro's and cons of doing the cam upgrade without upgrading the exhaust system? Is the real performance upgrade only seen when both mods are done? Is popping still an issue with upgraded exhausts? |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | I have been quite frankly I have been surprised at how well the upgrade works with a stock pipes. A little less on the top, but actually stronger in the low, and low mid then the more open pipes. If you do twisties this combo pulls real hard off the apex. Stop light to stop light stock pipes work great. In a real drag race enviroment the open pipes are going to win. |
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Hinton, Iowa | Man314, Join in. Sounds like only one more spot open in omaha. I can't wait!
Stay warm, Mike |
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Hinton, Iowa | Come on Man314, Join in. Sounds like only one more spot open in omaha. I can't wait!
Stay warm, Mike |
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Bellevue, NE | airguy - 2010-02-02 9:42 PM
Come on Man314, Join in. Sounds like only one more spot open in omaha. I can't wait!
Stay warm, Mike
One more time Mike!!! LOL!!
Come on Man314, Join in. Sounds like only one more spot open in omaha. I can't wait!
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Paragould, AR | Got to start saving some money for this upgrade!!! |
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Cabot Arkansas |
Thanks for answering Kevin.I have seen the before and after performance gains and they look awesome on paper BUT after watching a cammed vision spank an 09 goldwing I know the real world performance is even better than the dyno shows The cams rock Now to get rid of the fuel shutoff at 120
Edited by Maverick 2010-02-03 10:21 AM
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Dallas, Texas | Ok..I know that is has been covered, but...if I save my pennies, and the next time I have the oppurtunity for this upgrade..what besides that work(the upgrade), will I need to do? In other words, any other adjustments, etc? |
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Bellevue, NE | iluvink - 2010-02-03 10:20 AM
Ok..I know that is has been covered, but...if I save my pennies, and the next time I have the oppurtunity for this upgrade..what besides that work(the upgrade), will I need to do? In other words, any other adjustments, etc?
Well if you have kevinx do it you need nothing else. He supplies the cam, fuel controller, intake plate and all labor. Quick and simple. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | GravelFinder - 2010-02-03 11:26 AM
iluvink - 2010-02-03 10:20 AM
Ok..I know that is has been covered, but...if I save my pennies, and the next time I have the oppurtunity for this upgrade..what besides that work(the upgrade), will I need to do? In other words, any other adjustments, etc?
Well if you have kevinx do it you need nothing else. He supplies the cam, fuel controller, intake plate and all labor. Quick and simple.
Like Frank said. If I do it all you need to do is provide the bike, and the money. I would love to do another Dallas party in the near future. |
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Dallas, Texas | GravelFinder - 2010-02-03 10:26 AM
iluvink - 2010-02-03 10:20 AM
Ok..I know that is has been covered, but...if I save my pennies, and the next time I have the oppurtunity for this upgrade..what besides that work(the upgrade), will I need to do? In other words, any other adjustments, etc?
Well if you have kevinx do it you need nothing else. He supplies the cam, fuel controller, intake plate and all labor. Quick and simple.
Cool...also, might be a dumb question, but..does the upgrade, and I am talking KevinX's, mean that I would anticipate any additional maintenance down the road? Meaning adjustments, and such?
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Salinas, Ca. | Only to your throttle hand and perhaps some kind of lotion to prevent wrinkles from forming around the smile on your face!!
Juan
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | ja70cad - 2010-02-03 12:41 PM
Only to your throttle hand and perhaps some kind of lotion to prevent wrinkles from forming around the smile on your face!!
Juan
Guess that means your still happy Juan*LOL*
The care, and feeding of the bike remains just like it was when stock, but you will find yourself taking more trips to the store etc. Because it is more fun to ride |
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Okotoks, Alberta | Kevin, any plans for Id, Mt or Wa? |
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Dallas, Texas | Last question...I promise...when there is another Dallas cam party...how many pennies will I need...I thought I remembered that it was somewhere around $1500??? but I can't remember....I'll start my savings account...
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Salinas, Ca. |
Guess that means your still happy Juan*LOL*
VERY!!!! So much, that I don't even care if the wife knows I just spent another grand!!! Just don't tell her anyone, lol.....
Seriously though, the bike feels so much stronger than stock. I really noticed the difference during my 3 hour ride back home. She pulls like a raped ape between 3,000 RMP to redline in all gears!!
So yes, yes, yes, very happy my man!!
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | iluvink - 2010-02-03 2:20 PM
Last question...I promise...when there is another Dallas cam party...how many pennies will I need...I thought I remembered that it was somewhere around $1500??? but I can't remember....I'll start my savings account...
08 is $1150
9-10 is $1800
Best way to make sure there is another one is for you to get the ball rolloing yourself. Need either
One 08-Two 09
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Four 08
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | I'm still thinking about it . . . I have a little bit of a drive in what could be colder weather. Few questions:
- What is the date and time for Omaha cam party?
- What is turn-around time for '09?
- Does this void warranty?
- Will I really have a huge smile on my face . . . ie is performance really noticable? |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Date will be determined once I have the people comitted to it, and we can come up with something that works for us. Time will be schedualed by the participants.
Turn around time is everybody gets in, and out the same day. I can get an 09 done in around 4 hours at this point
Warrenty.....Only thing visable is the controller. Other then that nobody would know unless you tell them
There are several dyno charts already posted around, but on average HP increase, and area under the torque curve are up a whopping 27%; so yes you will notice it for sure |
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Hinton, Iowa | I have been following the reactions of people from all over the country who have had this done. And between this site and the
VMC site I have yet to find a negetive write up on the cams or the cam parties that Kevin has hosted. I'm Stoked!!!
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | farlz - 2010-02-03 2:01 PM
Kevin, any plans for Id, Mt or Wa?
Tried putting together a Wa party last year, but winter came along befor I got any real traction. So yes I would like to put one together this spring/summer |
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| Good luck finding anything negative, about the upgrades, or Kevin.
For me it was money well spent.
You will thank your self over and over again.
Just do it! It will clear your mind, so you can ponder the next project.
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Baltimore, Md | Victory1 - 2010-02-04 11:37 AM Good luck finding anything negative, about...Kevin. For me it was money well spent... Well, there is this: What do they say about a face only a mother....? (j/k Kevin)
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Cold lake Alberta | I aminterested also and waiting for the Montana, northern Idaho cam part
one question that wasnt answered yet is: the popping after the cams and all is installed? With S1Li is there any popping? |
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| Still pops, I think a tad less with everything installed. Don't notice it much, especially at full throttle!!  |
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High Ridge, Mo. | +1 on the Lloydz upgrade. LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE AND DON'T TAKE IT TO YOUR LOCAL DEALER WITHOUT CHECKING THEIR REFERENCES FIRST! I couldn't wait for a cam party close by, soooo I've got a smoking Vision. Turns out that the dealer doesn't know how to tune a VFC. I'm paying for their (and my) education.
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | Guys, sorry to say that I'm out (for now) . . . mamma wants new harwood floors and granite countertops and I can't do both right now. No doubt I WILL do the kevinx cam upgrade, but it is not in my near term future. Sorry. Good news is that that opens up a spot for someone else! |
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Northeast Ohio | I have the full setup from Lloyd and couldn't be happier. The bike runs like it did stock, but just a hell of a lot stronger. Pulling the front tire on a quick 1-2 shift is a sight to see on a 900lb bike. Cams didn't make mine pop anymore or less, and I did just purchase the IAV from Lloyd and have yet to put it on. My dealer disconnected the Idle Air Controller (IAC) and it virtually eliminated the pop. I am hoping to reconnect the IAC and install the Idle Air Valve (IAV) from Lloyd to keep my pops to a minimum. Varyder, Chris, changed his header gaskets on his stock muffler bike and it helped him a lot. I changed mine too and cleaned the exhaust ports with little difference. I NEVER had a pop with the stock exhaust, it only happened after I changed the mufflers out. I am sure you have read that the fuel economy doesn't change when you ride it easy. Good luck with that after you add the goodies. |
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Northeast Ohio | Bluegill - 2010-02-04 8:33 PM
+1 on the Lloydz upgrade. LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE AND DON'T TAKE IT TO YOUR LOCAL DEALER WITHOUT CHECKING THEIR REFERENCES FIRST! I couldn't wait for a cam party close by, soooo I've got a smoking Vision. Turns out that the dealer doesn't know how to tune a VFC. I'm paying for their (and my) education.
Have patience and wait for Kevin.
Bluegill, call Lloyd directly. I sent my VFC into him, he reprogrammed it and sent it back. Free of charge. If you have the latest programming on yours, he will send you the settings to use and you will be about 90% tuned without removing it from the bike. Mine was the pre-cam version and it wasn't setup to put enough fuel into the bike. I took the bike to him at Daytona after getting my VFC3 back and he only had to pull a little fuel out in the midrange to get me 100%.
In my opinion, he is the absolute best when it comes to taking care of his customers. You won't be disappointed.
Now, if you dealer messed something up with the motor, I am not sure what to tell you. Based on your post, you believe it is related to the VFC settings and not the install of the cams. |
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