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Dallas, Texas | I have always used Amsoil, in all my bikes in the past. But with a rewards program I have, I can get Royal Purple 10/40W Motorcycle by the case, for free. So, is it worth paying for Amsoil? Or is Royal Purple fine, especially for free? I have never used Royal Purple. Opinions, please. |
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New Bohemia, VA | front row seat.....I love a good oil thread and this looks like a good one in the making.... |
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Houston, Texas | varyder - 2009-10-14 12:06 PM
front row seat.....I love a good oil thread and this looks like a good one in the making....
It WILL be interesting to see how bloody this one gets....
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Brighton, TN | Ummmm, FREE, I'm thinking! Unless you got the cash to fling or burn, I'm still thinking FREE! Oh, nevermind, send me the free cases of Royal Purple, I used it but didn't see any or feel any difference. Be glad to see if the FREE RP is as goood as AMSOIL. Be glad to try it for you FREE! I'm still thinking FREE. I'm not that attached to any oil, but I'd sure give it a try for some FREE RP. Still liking the sound of FREE. I haven't seen an argument yet, that would keep me from, FREE!
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Brighton, TN | My kinfolk live over in East texas and the price of RP, I'd be happy to just swing by and pick up all the free cases, you can get. Heck, I'd even bring a FREE case of your favorite beverage. I like Dr. Pepper. Memory Maker likes Royal Purple, FREE |
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Brighton, TN | My kinfolk live over in East texas and the price of RP, I'd be happy to just swing by and pick up all the free cases, you can get. Heck, I'd even bring a FREE case of your favorite beverage. I like Dr. Pepper. Memory Maker likes Royal Purple, FREE
Matter of fact, I got a few other machines, that would just love some free Royal Purple. If I could get that in a 55 gallon drum all the merrier my machines would be. But, not to be greedy, I'd take it a quart at a time.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Hell ya! Do the free thing. I use Wal-Mart - SuperTech Motor Oil once a year in my VV, but I like free better. |
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New Bohemia, VA | donetracey - 2009-10-14 2:52 PM Hell ya! Do the free thing. I use Wal-Mart - SuperTech Motor Oil once a year in my VV, but I like free better. Don, the way I understand it is that if I use SuperTech Motor Oil I only need to change the oil once a year! That is fantastic and for me that would be ALMOST FREE! 30,000 miles between oil changes is phenominal! Should I use the supertech filter to get that kind of mileage out of the oil, or would it be best to use the Vic? If I can get the same mileage out of the RP, I'm with the little chicken man, FREE is a great price. |
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| I'm an Amsoil dealer and run it in all of my vehicles. That being said, I would go with the free Royal Purple. Is it as good? No. But do the 2500 mile interval oil change and you should have no problems. One of the biggest advantages of Amsoil is the ability to go longer intervals before changing due to their superior base stock and additives. However I also believe that with standard changes their is no substitute for free. Even at dealer costs Amsoil is pricey. |
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Reno County, KS | You get the oil for free and don't mind changing it more frequently, who could argue with that? |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Why would you change it more frequently? I'm with Chris .... 'Once a Year' - mileage has NOTHING to do with it - with synthetics it's all about how old the oil is - not how much wear. Your filter looks after the wear problem. Just don't let dealers know this - they will lie to you. |
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| Wrong. The base stocks separate from the additives and breaks down the oil with engine wear and heat also. Yes it is much longer but it does break down. I would change it more frequently as royal purple is not truly a synthetic. It's base stock is still dino oil. Mobil One lost a law suit, blah blah, but the basics is that synthetic is too broad of a term. At least in the courts eyes so 90% or so of the oils out there that claim synthetic are not all synthetic. I do run yearly oil changes on my supercharged truck and turbocharged car but I also have bypass filter kits (http://www.amsoil.com/Storefront/bf.aspx) on both vehicles. So go with Royal Purple, just change it at 2.5k. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Sorry, you are wrong. I have read and summarized all the oil threads on this site - and determined that you are ALL wrong. Oil is oil and your engine will quit when it's ready. |
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| I've run Royal Purple in an older hd. Since the bike went some 100k+++ miles without a problem it must be ok. HOWEVER, the dealer who was using the RP in my bike did stop selling it and now sells Mobil. He said his customers prefer the Mobil not that anything was wrong with the RP. Just my 2 cents |
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| donetracey - 2009-10-14 4:58 PM
Sorry, you are wrong. I have read and summarized all the oil threads on this site - and determined that you are ALL wrong. Oil is oil and your engine will quit when it's ready.
I hope that's a joke. Now changing your oil at 2.5k and I'll agree that it will quit when it is ready. But if you want to go longer than run Amsoil. I believe your engine will last longer with better lubricants no doubt as there is less friction, better cooling properties, etc. But running RP and changing at the normal interval is just fine. Also reading threads to gather facts is a poor choice. So many people have no idea what they are talking about. I am currently a Marine Engineering Officer and formerly produced high voltage electricity for the Army (4160V). Extensive schooling and research have lead to my conclusions. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Re: reading threads to gather facts is a poor choice Come on, don't spoil our fun ! Someone might believe me! |
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| varyder - 2009-10-14 3:44 PM
donetracey - 2009-10-14 2:52 PM Hell ya! Do the free thing. I use Wal-Mart - SuperTech Motor Oil once a year in my VV, but I like free better. Don, the way I understand it is that if I use SuperTech Motor Oil I only need to change the oil once a year! That is fantastic and for me that would be ALMOST FREE! 30,000 miles between oil changes is phenominal! Should I use the supertech filter to get that kind of mileage out of the oil, or would it be best to use the Vic? If I can get the same mileage out of the RP, I'm with the little chicken man, FREE is a great price.
If you think you can go 30k miles on a bike without oil changes you are nutz. Bike's are hard on oil. Especially our air cooled ones. Also due to the wet clutch additives this is not normal oil. Now I would go 35k on my Amsoil if I drove that much in a year but I also have bypass filters and it is far superior to Super Tech oil. I also submit and have oil analysis done on my vehicles. Even if the oil could last that long the filter would not. Here is some excellent reading for those interested. http://www.amsoil.com/lit/G-2156.pdf
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Chris, Chickenman, Dann - I am with you three on this. Pure WISDOM. Ignore all the rest..... |
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Memphis,Tn. | There's more efficient heat transfer with a "true" synthetic PAO (Group IV) basestock.
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/pao_14977.asp |
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| Yes. But it still breaks down. I have not noticed my bike running much cooler though with the Amsoil. I believe it probably cools down faster but will still reach 220. |
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Perry Hall, MD | I've been reading through the post as well, and felt comfortable with going to Mobil V-Twin. Local price $9.60 qt. Still needed a filter so I stopped in at the local Vic dealer. They had Mobil on the shelf, but recommended Castrol Actevo X-TRA 4T @ $7 (part synthetic). After all of the tech info on which oil to select for all the various reasons is it really OK to decide on price provided change intervals are 2500 miles? I did decide to go with an 8 micron filter. Is that an unnecessary expense as well? |
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LaPorte,Tx. | I used Royal Purple 20w-50 in my Kingpin for ~30,000 miles with no issues. Changed oil every 4000 miles. If you can get it free, what a deal. |
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Dallas, Texas | Well, as turns out, I can get Mobil1 V-Twin 20W/50 for slightly less reward points. Research seems to indicate that it is better.
Also, this isn't exactly free, it is using reward points that I have accumualted. I'll have to re-accumulate after I get this first case, to get more in the future. Also Royal Purple is a pure synthetic, no dino. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Extra Virgin synthetic olive oil stock for me. Personally I love watching a bunch of computer programmers, plumbers, teachers, and truck drivers; act like engineers. So by all means continue this discussion.
To the two of you that are trying to interject logic. Quit now, or suffer the consequences |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Chris, Chickenman, Dann, Kevin - I am with you four on this. Pure WISDOM. Ignore all the rest.....
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Dallas, Texas | Has anyone ever heard of Lucas Oil? |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | varyder - 2009-10-14 12:06 PM
front row seat.....I love a good oil thread and this looks like a good one in the making....
STARSHIP I It WILL be interesting to see how bloody this one gets.... LUCAS OIL - OMG
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Houston, Texas | Didn't we just suffer through one of these a couple of months ago
I'm just saying... |
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shakopee , Mn | I'm partial to corn oil myself, works well with the corn gas. |
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Dallas, Texas | Thanks eveyrone...Think I'll go with the Mobile1 V-Twin 20W/50. Less reward points for a seemingly better product. I do still wish that Amsoil was on the list. |
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Brighton, TN | Good, so long as it's FREE. Doesn't sound like my gear will be getting the FREE substandard oil. Guess, I have to work with the Castrol 4T Motorcycle Oil, just plain ole Dino, no synthetic or anything. Dag gum it! |
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Western WA | Oh!
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Hartland, , WI | I suggest JAM and Miles add another "Welcome Newbie" mandatory reading thread when people join...orientation 101...ask any question, post any thread...but when you post an oil thread you take your own life into your hands!!!!  |
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Memphis,Tn. | pollolittle, you make me laugh... thanks for the humor!!! |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | http://forums.thevmc.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=28536&posts=... |
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New Bohemia, VA | Wow. If my motor starts running at 900 degrees I know which oil I'm going with, AMSOIL! |
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Memphis,Tn. | Kevin, I'm not a member so I couldn't view the link.
Personally, I'm using Victory oil and filters. The Victory oil filter is a better design than one I recently cut open fresh off a 12 cylinder Ferrari. This is no small feat. Check on the price a replacement Ferrari engine.
I can't prove it, but I believe this happened:
At some point during the engine design and gestation period several Victory engineers, an aftermarket friction products (clutch) engineer, and a tribologist sat down and looked at about 50+ different performance parameters for power train lubrication. The base oil and additive package were selected and then run thru a matrix and the batch testing began. Probably was some add. pack tweaking here or there.
I don't know, and you don't either. I've invested a ton of my time studying this "liquidbrainsurgery" and the more I think I know - the less I actually do know.
It's hard to beat a man at what puts milk and bread on his table. The gentlemen that blended the 20w-40 Victory motor oil had a lot more information to go on than what I do sitting here at my keyboard studying internet technical reports for hours on end. A clutch pack is not a clutch pack. They're all different. Consider the clutch pack lube requirements we're most familiar with. Mercon, Dexron II & III, ATF+4, Mercon V, Type F, Honda, Toyota, ect. ect.
To paraphrase Bill Clinton (and Kevinx) "It's the wet clutch stupid!"
Have fun.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | TopFuel - 2009-10-17 12:47 AM
Kevin, I'm not a member so I couldn't view the link.
Registering as a GUEST costs nothing, and takes only minutes to do |
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20 miles west of Chicago. | TopFuel; The only thing that you forgot to mention is that in most industries, after the engineers come up with their best efforts and recommendations, the bean counters usually get them and are tasked to "fix" them to reflect the best cost/profit ratio for the oil that would insure both that oil sales and engine/drive train warranty costs would stay at least at a profitable level, and they get the final word. Vic oil is pretty good, and certainly adequate, but not necessarily the best available. There are any number of industries in which designers, engineers, chemists and the like come up with ideal products, and then a whole different department gets their work to detrmine how to actually build the final product at the best possible cost to profit ratio. I knew a chemist who worked for a large national fast food chain. After executive chefs came up with sauces and so forth made from the best fresh, healthful ingredients, his job was to find a way to make them, as near as possible from artificial chemicals and processing at a much lower cost. Adequate? People still buy the stuff. The best way to go as far as the consumer is concerned? Not really.
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Memphis,Tn. | Kevin, I'm going to do that later tonight.
Mudge, sounds like you used to work at GM!!! I also agree about the bean counters.
I serviced (full fluid changes, valve adjustment, new plugs, lubed the cables, fresh 100 octane av gas, so on & so forth) a 1970 Triumph Trident yesterday and then took it for a half hour ride. Did the same routine today with a 1973 Triumph Hurricane TRX75. I used Valvoline dino motorcycle oil in both of them. Never mind the MA MB ratings on today's synthetics, if it's over 20 years old - it gets dino oil.
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Dallas, Texas | Wow...oil threads really do off the deep end. |
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Brighton, TN | Yeah, your right, but is it still FREE!
TOPFuel, You and I should have chatted a few more minutes while you were picking up your bike the first time! I know time constraints and bad weather make men do crazy things. So, how did the 70's bikes run compared to the new 20th century spaceship.
You know, I got over 200,000 on a Oldsmobile that cost more than the vision and I never gave it any thought as to which oil I ever put in it. I change it about 7500 miles, that's when it is about a quart low due to a leak around the main seals. Yet it burns no oil and is still a very strong motor and wouldn't hesistate to take it cross country. It always gets one of the main brands of PURE Dino oil pending on the sale at the time. No synthetic and no AMSOIL. I used to get caught in this web of typing, but I just keep going back to pure common Sense with what has worked best for ME and only ME!
I got a truck that is almost three times the cost of the Vision and yet it gets the same old Rotella T, with almost a 100,000 and I expect it to go beyond 200,000.
I would really enjoy just about any oil that didn't cost 4 plus bucks per quart and it was FREE! |
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Memphis,Tn. | Pollolittle, yeah you're right, I hated to cut out so quickly from the dealer. I got the Vision home just as the bottom fell out - and then it rained for three days. I try not to "do rain" anymore, so read a lot of threads on here during those first few days of ownership. I've met up with SongFan at a car show and during the NHRA races. I missed an opportunity to go riding with him and VisionTex to Nashville a couple of weeks ago. We both work weird hours so it's been difficult to plan a ride. For instance: The big FRS ride is this Saturday, but I have six (FREE - FREE -thought you might like that!!!) tickets to the NASCAR race in Millington. This is what an engineer would call a stack up of tolerances.
The two Limey bikes were a fun ride. The 1970 Trident needed lots of small stuff repaired/replaced on it, which it seems is FREE standard equipment on an eBay acquisition. The Hurricane was shipped in from up state New York. It is also a Triumph, but was designed by Craig Vetter of 1970's Windjammer fairing fame. Craig tracks a lot of the 1047 bikes that were originally made. It took about eight months of correspondence with Craig to find an owner with one in mint condition that was willing to part with it. New plugs, a slight carb adjustment, and fresh fluids and it was ready to ride.
They're both right side shift - left side brake. (I've noticed my left foot is terrible at modulating rear drum brakes.) Oddly enough both bike's previous owners has spooned Continental RB2 fronts and K112 rear tires. The '70 Trident has a high handle bar similar to Brando's Triumph in "The Wild One" and is rubber mounted. I cranked down the steering dampener before I left the drive way. It rode well, carbureted nicely and I only stalled it one when making a u-turn. No buttons here. You paddle to the shoulder and start kicking. I didn't ride far due to a shiny chrome fender and empty bracket where a Tennessee state license plate should have been. The front cable operated drum brake was really weak and took a ton of squeeze to get with the program. The stopping experiences on both bikes were far more memorable than the acceleration tests.
The Hurricane was a weird looking bike when it came out in '73 with very polarizing styling. Gee, does THAT sound familiar?? Same if not slightly more pull from the Hurricane than the more pedestrian Trident (both are equipped with 3 cylinder 750 engines) The ergos and lower bar were a better fit and it handled great to be a 35 year old frame and suspension. Much like the Vision it's a stunning bike to see in person.
I have a basket case 1969 BSA Rocket III to get running next and we are waiting on another ebay acquisition to be delivered. It will be a 1968 Royal Enfield Street Interceptor. I have a LOT of fun for a bald simple minded old fat deaf guy. God is good.
Motor oil: Someone stated once (on another forum) in the mist of the red mist of an absolute blood bath oil thread that EVERY single extremely high mileage vehicle he knew of - had an indifferent owner that used cheap dino oil. Things went very quiet....
... one by one other members confessed the same personal revelations. Oil threads to me are still great FREE fun, but none of this inane stuff we fret about is going to Heaven with us.
Have more (FREE) Fun!!!
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