This explains it
varyder
Posted 2009-09-14 9:39 PM (#43993)
Subject: This explains it


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New Bohemia, VA

I've really never followed motorcycles, harley, or otherwise. Always wanted to ride as I did in the '80's and always liked the looks of the Indian, but could only afford the cheaper yet ready for prime time Goldwing, at least one a few years old. So, the point is places like daytona, myrtle beach, sturgis are just names where bikers go hang out. Apparently Carlise, Pa is a big Harley region because of the plant.

Well, that explains it when I went to carlise to see a friend and rode my Vision up there. I passed a lot of harleys and they passed me as I was tooling into the area. I stopped to get gas and there were at least two or three harleys there and they left and more pulled in. None of them even wanted to acknowledge I was even around. Personally, I didn't think nothing of it and could care less anyways, but this article helped explain the attitude, I was encroaching on their territory. Well, excuse me....

an article on the possible plant closing... http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/09/13/news/local/doc4aadaa5f4385d561094139.txt

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VRat
Posted 2009-09-15 8:52 AM (#44012 - in reply to #43993)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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Lehigh Valley, Pa
I got a good chuckle out of this, you are right opinions and some times attitudes run pretty deep in central Pa. I do a good bit of riding in that neck of the woods and experience the same ignorance.

You want to see something funny, visit the HD plant in York on your Vision like I did, we went for the tour. When we parked the bike it was in a sea of HD's, when we came out you would have thought the bike had a disease. There wasn't a bike within a 100' of the vision. Was good for a laugh. By the way the factory tour is worth the time and the museum is great.
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trailbarge
Posted 2009-09-15 11:43 AM (#44029 - in reply to #44012)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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RiverRat0 - 2009-09-15 9:52 AM
...There wasn't a bike within a 100' of the vision. Was good for a laugh...

I sometimes get this, too. They might try to diassociate from a non-lemming; but if you look at them, they are all looking at the Vision from their "safe" distance, leaning towards each other to make surreptitios comments...

"It got two wheels, I think, but it ain't no hawley"
"He done customized his hawg so much it don' look like a hawg no mo' "
"poser"
"shure, its nice, but it ain't a hawley"

okay... those were made up (sort of)
This one I actually heard at last year's Ray Price rally in Raleigh... it was so funny it is engraved in my brain:
"I wish the people who ride dem riceburners would buy American for once"
bwahahahahahah!
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IndyVision
Posted 2009-09-15 11:55 AM (#44030 - in reply to #43993)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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I thought it was funny this past weekend I was on a charity poker run. One of the stops was at a harley dealership. My wife and I got off the bike, walked over to get or stamps and walked back to the bike, no wasting time. As we got on the bike about 5 people were standing back looking at us and I heard one say "that's the new Victory".
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Breaker
Posted 2009-09-15 1:00 PM (#44036 - in reply to #43993)
Subject: Re: This explains it


Iron Butt

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Western WA
I went on several rides with a HOG chapter in Spokane over the summer. We were the lone Vision in a sea of 70 or more Harleys. They welcomed us with open arms into their group. Sure, there was some friendly joshing in the beginning - from both sides - but after a few miles it didn't seem to matter what we rode. Several in the group were very interested in the Vision.

I think the only thing that frosted them was when we would stop for lunch and people would flock to the Vic. Well, that and we took $75 from the chapter in a 50/50 drawing.

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Webhair
Posted 2009-09-15 1:18 PM (#44038 - in reply to #43993)
Subject: Re: This explains it


Iron Butt

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Peachtree City, GA
The other day I was out and about and stopped for gas. There were a couple of Hardly riders there... I over heard one of them telling his buddy "yea that is the new Victory the one Arlen Ness designed - too bad Victory does not give him credit for it".

Yes - I said it right "Hardly"
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Crawford
Posted 2009-09-15 4:28 PM (#44044 - in reply to #43993)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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I parked in front of the Harley dealer here in Regina once and a guy getting unto his Harley said to me "can that thing go to the moon" to which I replied "don't know, haven't tried yet"
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VisionTex
Posted 2009-09-15 5:31 PM (#44047 - in reply to #44044)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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LaPorte,Tx.
Crawford - 2009-09-15 3:28 PM

I parked in front of the Harley dealer here in Regina once and a guy getting unto his Harley said to me "can that thing go to the moon" to which I replied "don't know, haven't tried yet"


Next time that question is put to you just say they stopped making that model after the first year, it was too fast for most riders, because it was Super...SSG.
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Kioti
Posted 2009-09-15 8:48 PM (#44062 - in reply to #43993)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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This is the same thing I encountered.
I have not purchased a Vision yet I have my 2006 Kawi Nomad at my Victory dealer and it is for sale.
I rode the Kawi's because they were not Harley Davidson!
Because it is late in the season they are not interested in a trade, I can uderstand that and I have the Nomad priced to sell quickly.
Everyone of my Harley riding friends have told me that I needed to get a Harley because I need to quit wating time on the imitations.
To that I say F*** you! I ride Kawi's because I didn't want a HD. I have followed the Vision since it's release and I feel Victory is making a "rider's machine" and not an "image". Who gives a red rat's ass about an image. . . .

I will ride my Vision, (when I get it) and laugh at the posers. You can always spot a Harley drone because they start buying all the clothing and the motorcycle comes next.
The Victory Vision has been my choice since I saw the video of the Vision and the competition "drop test". . . LOL I love the way the others falll and roll.
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donetracey
Posted 2009-09-15 9:19 PM (#44067 - in reply to #43993)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada
HD guy says to me last Sunday - "That thang looks more like some kind of air-o-plane than a motorcycle... "
I replied "You are thinking WAY too slow, my friend - look at my license plate - this is a SPACE SHIP !!!! "
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OldGringo
Posted 2009-09-16 6:33 PM (#44126 - in reply to #43993)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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One of my favorite responses from an HD rider came Labor Day weekend when I told him that both Arlen Ness and Sonny Barger rode one. He told me he had never heard of those guys??????
I wanted to do the Bill Engall thing, "Here's your sign!!!!!"
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Blackjack
Posted 2009-09-16 7:32 PM (#44129 - in reply to #44126)
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OldGringo - 2009-09-16 5:33 PM

One of my favorite responses from an HD rider came Labor Day weekend when I told him that both Arlen Ness and Sonny Barger rode one. He told me he had never heard of those guys??????
I wanted to do the Bill Engall thing, "Here's your sign!!!!!"


That just show's you what a poser he really is.
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trailbarge
Posted 2009-09-21 11:08 AM (#44415 - in reply to #44062)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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Kioti - 2009-09-15 9:48 PM
Who gives a red rat's ass about an image. . . .

Tell you what... you show me a red rat and I'll show you its ass.

Only slightly more seriously, try to remeber the Andre Agassi ads for the Canon Rebel series of cameras. "Image is everything".
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Tarpits99
Posted 2009-09-21 1:18 PM (#44423 - in reply to #44415)
Subject: Re: This explains it


Iron Butt

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North Orange County CA
trailbarge - 2009-09-21 9:08 AM

Only slightly more seriously, try to remeber the Andre Agassi ads for the Canon Rebel series of cameras. "Image is everything".
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I don't normally spend a lot of time crying about the decline of western society; but when brand associations become so strong that people cant see past the brand to common ground (like a love of motorcycles) its not a very big leap to the place where kids kill each other for a pair of basketball shoes or a team logo jacket.

In the old days companies used to GIVE AWAY branded merchandize because it was considered ADVERTISING. Now people pay huge amounts of money for the privilege of becoming mobile billboards.

If an individuals self worth is determined by a spurious association with a specific "brand" isn't that a form of identity theft?.

If "image is everything" then logically "substance is nothing"! All I can say is we have become our own worst enemy.
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Mudge
Posted 2009-09-21 3:39 PM (#44427 - in reply to #43993)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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20 miles west of Chicago.
They ride the sizzle, I ride the steak.
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ElroyJ
Posted 2009-09-21 3:58 PM (#44429 - in reply to #44038)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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Centennial, CO
Webhair - 2009-09-15 11:18 AM

The other day I was out and about and stopped for gas. There were a couple of Hardly riders there... I over heard one of them telling his buddy "yea that is the new Victory the one Arlen Ness designed - too bad Victory does not give him credit for it".

Yes - I said it right "Hardly"


Web - I hate to be the bearer of this news...but Arlen did NOT design the Vision. I talked with him directly and point blank asked him how much input and/or design he was allowed on the Vision. He said that he and Cory were invited to view the designs and concepts and provide INPUT but didn't do much more than that.

He was very gracious to give the credit to the engineers at Victory.

Not a dig...just want to be sure the facts are correct!
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ElroyJ
Posted 2009-09-21 4:05 PM (#44430 - in reply to #44423)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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Tarpits99 - 2009-09-21 11:18 AM

trailbarge - 2009-09-21 9:08 AM

Only slightly more seriously, try to remeber the Andre Agassi ads for the Canon Rebel series of cameras. "Image is everything".
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I don't normally spend a lot of time crying about the decline of western society; but when brand associations become so strong that people cant see past the brand to common ground (like a love of motorcycles) its not a very big leap to the place where kids kill each other for a pair of basketball shoes or a team logo jacket.

In the old days companies used to GIVE AWAY branded merchandize because it was considered ADVERTISING. Now people pay huge amounts of money for the privilege of becoming mobile billboards.

If an individuals self worth is determined by a spurious association with a specific "brand" isn't that a form of identity theft?.

If "image is everything" then logically "substance is nothing"! All I can say is we have become our own worst enemy.


I hate to agree with you because it IS sad. But I DO agree with you!

My GF's son is 16 and is always buying the latest and greatest Fox, Nike or whatever gear is the fancy for the week. This week I think it is Monster (the drinks). A new jacket came out and it was 95 bucks. He HAD to have it and asked me to buy it. I told him point blank, "that jacket has as much functionality as a wind breaker. I will buy you a warm jacket for the winter and you can figure out how to buy that one on your own." Two days later, he walked in with his new Monster jacket. I asked him when he wanted to go look for another "winter" coat. He said, "no thanks, this will work". I thought to myself...he will have to wear 14 Monster shirts in order to have enough layers to make it through winter. But, I guess, to each his own and this case, to his credit, I didn't have to spent money on a jacket for him.

Now, the question is, when will he complain about the cold? I have my guess that it will be sometime in late October. Anyone for a pool? LMAO! Buck a square? Bwaahaaahaaa!
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TopFuel
Posted 2009-09-21 7:09 PM (#44440 - in reply to #43993)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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Harley has to do something...

http://www.pritzkerlaw.com/harley-davidson-motorcycle-recalls/

http://www.usrecallnews.com/2009/06/nhtsa-5867.html

The CVO premium models are not being left out despite the huge price jump up from the standard models...

http://www.lieffcabraser.com/defects/screamin-eagle.htm

Edited by TopFuel 2009-09-21 7:10 PM
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trailbarge
Posted 2009-09-22 10:59 AM (#44473 - in reply to #44423)
Subject: Re: This explains it


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Tarpits99 - 2009-09-21 2:18 PM
If "image is everything" then logically "substance is nothing"! All I can say is we have become our own worst enemy.

Ah, young grasshopper... you are so close and yet so near.

Your syllogism assumes the mutual exclusivity of image and substance. Should one assimilate that image is a subset of substance, one will see that substance is ALSO everything.

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All horsing around aside, I have to agree that we are quickly abandoning the founding principle of this being a nation of rugged individuals and becoming a nation of various associations and brandings. How many fallacious hyphen-americans can we become? Why not just plain Americans? Oh, because you don't want to learn the language? That's okay, then.

How else could we purportedly fall for and thus vote for some blythe bumper sticker crap like "change we can believe in"?!? Well, we got the change. I hope the 45% of the electorate (plus the 7% of phony votes) like what they bought. I sure don't.

That's why I called those who fall into a group just to be part of a group "lemmings" earlier. Critical thinkers will be unable to distinguish "lemming" from "the in crowd"... which may be why I was not terribly popular in school.
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