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Tourer
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Northeastern Penna. | Just being inquisitive. Anyone heard, had installed, or seen the new center stand option on a Vision ? It would be a plus if everything is right. Now, before this became an option, don't you think
it would have been tested by some Engineer or R&D guy, so it should work out in our favor, right? |
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Iron Butt
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Richmond, Virginia | I said this earlier, and will say it again. WHO can stand beside their Vision grip the high handlebar and the left passenger grab rail and lift and pull back on this bike????????? I think the weight and egos of the bike are going to make this bike especially difficult to lift onto a center stand. While i love the idea, im gonna sit back and watch what happens and just shake my head once all the postings come in from people who either cant get it up or dropped it over on the right side......... trust me, its gonna happen. |
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New Bohemia, VA | there is a certain amount of schooling needed for centerstanding, but it is easily done when mastered. There are two actions going on with leverage, it is pull back on bars with a push down on lever on stand, and on a level plain would not take much effort. -- we'll see how it goes with the Vision....
personally, I won't know as I don't plan on getting one... well, maybe for a road trip, but you know, you can't the rear tire out anyway without some additional jacking.... |
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Centennial, CO | I am still trying to figure out why you need a center stand??? |
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| Yep as VA stated there is a technique for getting a bike on the center stand easily. I would assume Victory wouldn't put one out if you were likely to hurt yourself given the liability climate we have.
EJ, there are several situations in which a center stand is very handy; cleaning rear wheel, checking and airing rear tire, long term storage such as winter, chcking and changing oil when you need the bike upright, fixing a rear flat on the side of the road, etc.... They are HANDY but not necessary since you can't get the tire out from under the bike while on it. But back in the day of hinged fenders, lol...
Edited by Teach 2009-08-24 4:34 PM
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | ElroyJ - 2009-08-24 2:28 PM
I am still trying to figure out why you need a center stand???
I think "need" might be a strong word... but certainly handy. I use my chock anytime I'm loading the bike for a trip. Makes balancing the load and general access a lot easier. Of course cleaning and maintenance is much easier as well. I had to add some oil while at the AVR... what a pain in the arse... put in a little... lift the bike up.... wait.... remove dipstick, check level... put it back on the side stand... run around and unscrew the dip-stick.... add oil... replace dipstick... wash rinse repeat... doable.. just annoying. Even adding or checking air is so much easier on the chock or on bikes with a centerstand.. Again.. not necessary... just easier. |
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Centennial, CO | Miles - 2009-08-24 2:55 PM
ElroyJ - 2009-08-24 2:28 PM
I am still trying to figure out why you need a center stand???
I think "need" might be a strong word... but certainly handy. I use my chock anytime I'm loading the bike for a trip. Makes balancing the load and general access a lot easier. Of course cleaning and maintenance is much easier as well. I had to add some oil while at the AVR... what a pain in the arse... put in a little... lift the bike up.... wait.... remove dipstick, check level... put it back on the side stand... run around and unscrew the dip-stick.... add oil... replace dipstick... wash rinse repeat... doable.. just annoying. Even adding or checking air is so much easier on the chock or on bikes with a centerstand.. Again.. not necessary... just easier.
Hmm...well, this was my thought as well. Why not just utilize a jack stand and prop it up on both sides? No "NEED" for a center stand. I can't see the use other than that as while I am on the road, I would have ZERO need for it.  |
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Memphis | If I had a centerstand I wouldn't "NEED" a jackstand and props, plus I would always have it on the road. Had one on my last three bikes (including two dual-sports) and even though I didn't use it all the time, it was really nice to have. |
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Mount Vernon, WA United States | ElroyJ - 2009-08-24 6:58 PM
Miles - 2009-08-24 2:55 PM
ElroyJ - 2009-08-24 2:28 PM
I am still trying to figure out why you need a center stand???
I think "need" might be a strong word... but certainly handy. I use my chock anytime I'm loading the bike for a trip. Makes balancing the load and general access a lot easier. Of course cleaning and maintenance is much easier as well. I had to add some oil while at the AVR... what a pain in the arse... put in a little... lift the bike up.... wait.... remove dipstick, check level... put it back on the side stand... run around and unscrew the dip-stick.... add oil... replace dipstick... wash rinse repeat... doable.. just annoying. Even adding or checking air is so much easier on the chock or on bikes with a centerstand.. Again.. not necessary... just easier.
Hmm...well, this was my thought as well. Why not just utilize a jack stand and prop it up on both sides? No "NEED" for a center stand. I can't see the use other than that as while I am on the road, I would have ZERO need for it.
Well as example... on my trip to the AVR... I unloaded the bike when I got there... did three partial unloads at hotels along the way to and from... had to check the oil...
Again it was all obviously "doable" without a center stand or chock... would have been real nice to have one. And for this trip... the most use would have been at Gas stations to be able to actually "fill" the tank. I'm pretty cheap.. but if there was a center stand available for a V92C for less than about $300.... I'd have one. |
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| I have limited room in my shop, so the center stand would let me pull in, put the center stand down on a turntable and spin the bike around for departure. I have been backing the bike in or out as required, but the driveway is not paved. A 890 lb. bike is not always user friendly on rough surfaces and tight radius. I currently use my floor jack to do this but the shop floor is not as smooth as some garage floors.so this is a little less than ideal for me. I'm 6'2" and 260lbs. so its not a lack of power issue. I have had oter bikes with and without centerstands and the center stand is always handy. |
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Northeastern Penna. | If you go on the Polaris website and check this item, it is out of stock. Based on that, there are people out there in the US of A that have the center stand on their Visions, right ?How else would they be out of stock ? |
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Regina Saskatchewan Canada | Either that or they have never been in stock yet! Which is more likely the case. |
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| Yep you're right Crawford. The website has been showing the new 10 accessories "out of stock" since their posting. Probably haven't received the new accessories from suppliers yet. My guess is around October they will be available for order and in stock.
wjoel, no doubt there will be quite a few folks who will install a center stand as they are just handy for those of us who have grown up on bikes that had them as standard equipment. Quite frankly I don't know why manufacturers quit installing them standard other than they could cut some cost and nobody griped too loud. Funny how we now buy them as accessories, lol..... |
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| I ordered one in early August. My dealer told me the expected ship date is in November. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm wondering if the centerstand will make the Vision more stable on a jack? It is round bottom without it, but it would seem to square up the bottom, that alone MIGHT be worth it besides the value on the road. However, there again, you would only be able to pull the front wheel and not the rear on the side of the road. |
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Cruiser
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Corpus Christi Tx. | My 95 Gold Wing Aspencade had the centerstand and it came in handy many times. I had no trouble getting that big bike on it and I'm sure I won't have any trouble with the center stand, on order, for my Vision. I welcome it because of oil changes, checking and airing tires and other maintenance that can be done with the center stand. And if it tips over on the side, well that's when the tipovers come in handy as well. Hopefully not. :-)
Ride safe. |
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| VA, you are correct you wouldn't be able to pull the rear, but it makes installing a plug in a flat rear a LOT easier. I don't run plugs in my bike tires but they'll work until you find a bike shop rather than sitting on the side of the road waiting 2-3 hours for a flatbed to tow it in. If you do trips this is a great accessory to have installed.
Cruzin, thanks for the info....... |
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SF Bay Area | and then there is the cornering clearance of the bike, and the added weight... |
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Northeastern Penna. | I would get the center stand, would make it much easier to clean rear wheel plus for storage
over the winter. To me, that is worth it. I test rode an 08 GW last year and used it's center stand, which you had to do manually, like the Vision will be.It was relatively easy to put on the center stand. |
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New Bohemia, VA | if you're weighing on storage, there is always those little wheel chock thingy's that clamp your bike upright. Also, if I EVER thought of storage for my bike I would want to lift it entirely off the wheels for the duration. Just my preference. |
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Memphis | buddahead - 2009-08-25 7:04 PM and then there is the cornering clearance of the bike, and the added weight... I'll be the first to test the cornering issue but I can't imagine the folded legs of the centerstand would drag before the outer edges of the floorboards. The weight is so low it is basically a non-issue based on other bikes I have added them to. The only time I knew there was a centerstand onboard while riding was if I hit a nice sized bump I could feel the centerstand thump against its rubber stops underneath. |
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| You guys gotta show me how you're dragging your floorboards..... |
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LaPorte,Tx. | Teach,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T18KxY_sJc |
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Memphis | First you buy a sport-touring bike and learn to trust your tires and suspension enough to drag those pegs. Then you buy a Vision. |
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New Bohemia, VA | when i first got my vision i did a lot of floorboard draggin' until i learned to ride better. i lean to the inside on the saddle like you're suppose too and that keeps the bike upright. i can still get it to dip and make some noise when i want to though.... |
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| varyder, exactly! If you are draggin, you didn't set up correctly or don't know how. I've seen the Vid before and you'll note that almost every left he hits and yet not on rights. I've ridden the dragon 5 times in the past two year, average speed of 51 mph and not once have I drug anything. In the past 10 years I've ridden the dragon in excess of 20 times on two separate RG and a Suzuki. Again happy to report no grounding out. I can't even get the Vision to grind doing the motorman course, stuff is just set too high. Maybe I'll lower my air all the way and see if I can make something grind, lol....... |
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LaPorte,Tx. | Your just better than most! |
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New Bohemia, VA | honestly, i understand the appeal of the dragon, but what's the point? there are roads far more exciting than that one that will make you really test your pucker factor...
i've done it at night with a loaded bag, I would like to do again in the street config, just to do it, but after that....and even so, I'm not making any plans to return...
sorry, i just type what the voices in my head tell me to type... |
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Memphis | My Native American name translates to "You-Ain't-Doin'-It-Right". After 29 years of marriage, just ask my wife. |
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| VT, I'm just an average rider and I'm sure there are many here who could ride circles around me.
varyder, you are right about the Dragon, it ain't all that. I make a trip south every June to ride with some friends. Maggie Valley, Fontana, Asheville, Suches, etc.... and it varies by year. You sound familiar with the area so you must know the dragon is close to all and we almost always end up in the vicinity. Almost always one newer member to our group who has never ridden it so we ride. Short route heading north from Wytheville whih branches off of 52 is fun but short lived. There is also a route off 460 that is a blast but I can't remember what it is. Ended up on it by accident in 2005 and haven't been able to find it since. Lots of great roads, but the dragon is one most riders on the eastern coast have heard of. VA has some great roads found with little effort. |
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Cruiser
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| I just looked at the Pure Polaris site. I see that Victory has the center stands in stock now. Has anyone got and mounted one yet?
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Newburgh,IN | Hey Gang:
I just got mine today. I will let you know how it does when I get it mounted. Don't know when it will be though.
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Puddle Jumper
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Illinois | I have had mine for about two days, the only problem is that the back tire is NOT off the ground... So it didnt work out as planned for cleaning the back tire/rim... |
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San Antonio, TX | bakfixr,
How hard is it to lift the Vision? How stable is the stand? Can you lift up on the swing arm to spin the back tire?
Ride safe
Edited by radioteacher 2009-09-26 3:21 PM
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Puddle Jumper
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Illinois | It isnt too bad to lift it up, it does take some getting use to!!! It is very stable but you cannot spin the back tire, the bike is too damn heavy!!!
Edited by bakfixr 2009-09-26 3:25 PM
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New Bohemia, VA | bakfixr - 2009-09-26 4:25 PM It isnt too bad to lift it up, it does take some getting use to!!! It is very stable but you cannot spin the back tire, the bike is too damn heavy!!! with or without the big butt pack?
Edited by varyder 2009-09-26 5:00 PM
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Puddle Jumper
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Illinois | With the tour pack... |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | Damn. I was hoping this thing would free up the back wheel enough to get the rear tire off roadside in a pinch (or in a garage being lazy). I guess I'll just hold off on that and keep my wheel dock handy. Thanks for the heads up! |
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Visionary
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| No height adjustment on the legs so you can get the rear tire off the ground when on the stand? |
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New Bohemia, VA | wonder how it'd do w/o the pack? or throwing a 400 lb bison across the front? |
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Iron Butt
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| Just wondering if you zero out the air pressure in the rear shock AFTER getting it up on the center stand would that allow the rear tire to spin for maintenance? |
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Visionary
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| I am thinking a center stand is like reverse. Love it when you need it. That much weight that low to the ground doesn't seem so bad. I would think engineers that designed tip over protection would consider leaning when they designed it? Of course it could be a 3rd party vendor design. 
It would be nice for checking oil and not getting drips on the pipes. Look iI can use 2 hands. O.O |
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San Antonio, TX | I wonder if it can be modified to a two stage center stand (like the Kawasaki) and then lift the back tire? Still for checking the oil it would be nice. |
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Iron Butt
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Southeast Iowa | How about sliding a 3/4" thick board under the bike before you lift it up. |
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