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Iron Butt
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| Anyone thought of putting a thermostatically controlled fan onto the Vision's oil cooler for stop and go traffic ? Any drawbacks that anyone can think of ?
Thanks,
Tim
Edited by TimS 2007-12-31 12:01 PM
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Tourer
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Tacoma, WA | Never thought about putting one on. My guess is that it is unneccesary. It should be an easy thing to do, as there are provisions for hat type of thing in the old Volkswagon circles, but if it is not needed, it is just extra weight. Just my two cents-----Metalguy |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I've had the thought, but when I discussed with the wrenches at the dealer they say that a Victory never overheats so why do it. That's something that only time will convince me of. The real question, what is the best operating temp for a 106. Mine hangs out around 200, but I've been getting the stall sometimes when coming off interstates or in stop and go traffic. The temp at this point is usually at or above 200, but it seems to happen even round the 180. The wrenches say it is "lean-fuel" mixture from the close-loop set up. I'm starting to believe it may also may be a retarding issue with the timing. |
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Iron Butt
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| I am concerned about the times where there is no airflow. When you are stuck in stop and go traffic in the desert temperatures and have no wind, things get hot pretty quick.
The extra weight of a 7" fan down low should be negligible on the Vision and is pretty much hidden inside of the fairing.
Tim |
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Cruiser
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Central Florida | Never had any of these problems on MY vision. ONly change remotely related to temp is the Permanent oil filter from Conquest customs.
Claims from manufacturer include 10 degree drop in operating temp and increase in HP. I have my doubts but I like the way it looks and does a great job of filtering. http://www.conquestcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID...
Happy New Year! |
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Iron Butt
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| Marc,
How do you clean the filter?
Thanks,
Tim
P.S.
Also found this link: http://www.kansport.com/pressreleases/kpoillfilterinfo.pdf
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-Filtration
ASTMF316 lab tests have shown that the K&P Engineering filters exceed the
filtration performance of the V-Twin factory oil filters. They also exceed the
filtration performance of the aftermarket oil filters that K&P Engineering has had
tested. The bottom line is other filters can and do pass much larger particles
-Magnetic Pre-filtering
A super strength nickel plated Neodymium rare earth magnet is placed in the top
of the filter element to pre filter ferrous material out of the oil.
-Flow Rate
Cold oil can get as thick as molasses. Trying to get that molasses through a
restrictive paper filter is tough. With around 7 times more flow than a paper filter,
K&P Engineering oil filters make it a lot less likely that the bypass valve will open
letting unfiltered oil into the engine. Something to think about that the next time
you see someone fire up their ride and immediately twist the throttle to show off
those new pipes or that brand new $10,000 engine!
-Cooling
The billet aluminum finned housing also acts as an oil cooler. Customers are
reporting between 4 and 7 degrees of oil temperature reduction using the K&P
filter over a stock steel filter. Every little bit helps.
-Horsepower
Differential pressure between the outside of a filter element and the inside can get
to around 20 lbs at high rpm. The K&P Engineering filter measures less than 1 lb
at high rpm, reducing the parasitic horsepower needed to run the oil pump. That
leaves more for the rear wheel.
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Edited by TimS 2007-12-31 9:55 PM
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Cruiser
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Central Florida | Tim, you can clean filter with soap and water(MAKE sure it is absolutely dry if you do it this way)
I used Gasoline in a coffee can but any solvent will do.when done you use canned air to blow out from inside if you don't have compressor in your workshop.
I thought I felt a difference when I changed to this filter but you know how our imagination works....only a DYNO knows for sure |
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Iron Butt
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| Happy New Year,
My wife always says the car performs better after it has been detailed, so it must be true =) !!!
Thanks for the info. The filter looks like a good addition. Any idea on how long the filter element lasts? Does it break down over time? Do they sell filter element replacements?
Thanks,
Tim
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Cruiser
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Central Florida | I am told it is lifetime! Replacements are available if you were to damage one.
I would have to double check manufacturers website.. if you are going to get it dont forget magnetic drainplug too... conquestcustoms.com has a 10% discount for VMC members
here is manufacturers website, he doesnt say specifically that it is lifetime but implies the only reason to change inside filter is if you ruin it. I am sure a question emailed to them would clarify issue
www.kandpengineering.com
FYI this filter also fits Goldwing among others. |
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The Poconos | Just an FYI....I believe that the Victory stock oil filters are 5 micron filters.
I bought a Conquest oil filter and removed it after finding this out.
Any offers for it? PM me.
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Puddle Jumper
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Oregon | ....but I've been getting the stall sometimes when coming off interstates or in stop and go traffic
I had this problem with another bike of mine and it was due to a lean mixture condition. On this particular bike the ECM was not configurable so the dealer replaced it with one set with a richer mixture and the problem went away. Does anyone know if the ECM on the vision is configurable by the dealer or is a 3rd party fuel management system the ticket? |
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Boca Raton FLORIDA :) | Dirtybubble - 2008-01-03 1:10 AM
Just an FYI....I believe that the Victory stock oil filters are 5 micron filters.
I bought a Conquest oil filter and removed it after finding this out.
Any offers for it? PM me.
Mike
You might want to read this article before you get rid of that part........
http://www.motorcycle.com/products/kp-engineerings-reusable-oil-fil... |
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Cruiser
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CALGARY ALBERTA | Good article. The benefit would be that you can clean your filter at any time. Possibly getting the most life cycle out of your oil.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Just an fyi, Vision-Riders & Lloyd sell the the K&P Engineering Filter.
http://www.Vision-Riders.com/merch-lloydz.asp
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Cruiser
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| How are you guys determining the temp? Does the bike have a temp gauge that I don't know about? |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | There is a stick gage you can replace the stock one with. The dealer should sell them. Keep in mind though, they might not be that accurate because it's pulling the temp from the oil in the bottom. |
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Thermostatically Controlled Oil Cooler Fan ???