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Puddle Jumper
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| G,day mates,
Looking for informaton on the lack of a cut out switch on the side stand when you put the bike in gear. All bikes in Australia must have a safety cut out on the side stand which turns the bike off if you engage a gear, but have noticed the Vision doesn't. Have only been caught out once and will surely not do it again, but after an info' on whether this is a requrirement in the states or not....and how this may have gotten past moligation.....
Also any information on the engine just cutting out when gearing down, (not a stall) doesn't happen all the time but when it does scares the sh%^t out of you, usually at traffic lights, when you least want it to....any information on this as well and how to stop it happening...will be greatfully received...
Will send some photos on the interesting way Ozzy transport dept' got around the red / orange rear indicator issues for Oz compliance....thanks to Arlen Ness rear indicators for a stylish outcome.....
As these have only been on the road in Aust' for about 5 months and only about 10 on the road, looking for any knowledge you can provide...
Cheers
Ride Safe, Live Free
Swampy. |
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Tourer
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Tacoma, WA | In the states, it is not a requirement to have a side stand cut off for the engine. I know some makes have it, some do not. My old Honda did, but not my Vision. They actually inspect for this there? Wow. I am sure one could be rigged, but you would need a wiring diagram for it.-----Metalguy |
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Cruiser
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Ma. | On my "08" Vision, there was a recall regarding the bike stalling. My dealer took care of it and I never had a problem again. I purchased an "09" Vision with Level 1 Stage 2 exhaust. Had the same type of problem with the bike stalling. This bike the problem was a little different because the bike did not shut of when it stalled... the engine just cut out. I had the dealer install a fuel controller and the problem has now gone away on the "09". Hope this helps.
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | hey GRZ, so the fuel controller STOPPED the vision from stalling? i have this stalling issue on my 08 vision and its going into the shop tomorrow. i didnt have this problem until i went with the s1l1... My guess is i will need a fuel controller as well. im waiting on the powercommander v as a local shop said they would sellme one for $299 ! |
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Visionary
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| When I am at the Victory sponsored events and one of the Victory employees comes and sits at our table they ask what would you like to see on your bike. I have asked for a neutral safety switch on the kick stand. It hasn't happened yet and maybe not enough people think it's that important? I have noticed over the years there are less times now where I pull up along a rider and point to their kickstand being down. Makes for one bad left turn.
I always remember eating at Perkins at Sturgis 2000 and a rider there had some real bad road rash. He did a left curve on a custom bike and went over an embankment. Nasty stuff. Bike got stuck on a rock and the tow truck had to drag it back up the embankment doing even more damage. |
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Cruiser
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| Yeah good luck with the stalling issue. Mine has been in 3 seperate times and Victory claims all is well. Don't get me going with the whole issue, i agree it is very unnerving and VERY dangerous... |
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New user
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Rowlett Texas | I have the same stalling issue. Victory won't replace the TPS under warranty because they continue to say that it is operating as specified. Noth the less it still stalls just like an old carb that loads up, backfires and then dies. Mine has been in the shop 7 times for this issue and it still happens slowing down, no response to the throttle and will always start back up. It is pretty dangerous if it happens going into a left turn lane and then dies. I guess Victory won't address the issue until someone is seriously hurt.
Victory still claims that they don't have this issue with other 08 Visions. Funny that there are several comments on here about the stalling problem so it is apparently not an issue based on location.
If anyone has any ideas on how to get Victory to resolve this problem I would love to hear about it. |
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Tourer
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San Antonio, TX United States | Thought i would throw a wrench in the mess here. I recently replaced a fuel pump under warranty on an 08 Vision. His vision was one of the first delivered to dealers like mine. This particular gentleman had the stalling problem almost from day one. He picked up his bike about 2 weeks ago and i have not heard from him since. I plan on calling him sometime this week an finding out if he was still stalling or if this cured the problem. I had found his fuel pressure was fine at idle and could maintain during normal riding and mild accleration. But if you accelerated hard or blipped the throttle such as while down shifting, the pressure would loose almst 20 PSI quickly before having a chance to stabilize again. So i am very curious to know if the fuel pump took care of the stalling issue. Iwas not going to post anything till i had my answer back from the customer. But i thought i better let some of you know there is something that may be different than what everone has been talking about. |
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | David,
Thanks for the post. It will be interesting to see what might develop from this fuel pump change.
Take Care |
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Visionary
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So Cal |
i dont have stalling but if I were and hasnt been resolved by now I would be talking to a lawyer. There are lemon laws. I would not be taking a chance with my life. If enough of you got together with legal help, victory might listen. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | TXRIDER - 2009-07-27 6:06 PM
I have the same stalling issue. Victory won't replace the TPS under warranty because they continue to say that it is operating as specified. Noth the less it still stalls just like an old carb that loads up, backfires and then dies. Mine has been in the shop 7 times for this issue and it still happens slowing down, no response to the throttle and will always start back up. It is pretty dangerous if it happens going into a left turn lane and then dies. I guess Victory won't address the issue until someone is seriously hurt.
Victory still claims that they don't have this issue with other 08 Visions. Funny that there are several comments on here about the stalling problem so it is apparently not an issue based on location.
If anyone has any ideas on how to get Victory to resolve this problem I would love to hear about it.
TXRider, I don't know if this will help you or not but I had the same kind of issue. Had the recall done for my '08, replaced plugs, etc. One day I tighten the exhaust nuts and the problem lessened immediately, but didn't go away entirely. I explained this to the dealer that it improved tightening the exhaust but it still popped and would stall hoping they would look into the exhaust. But I was only told that all '08's did that with no fix yet.
Well that got in my craw and when I did my own 45K mile service to replace the belt, I pulled the exhaust. The header pipe ends looked like crap, but not from months of blowby, just crap that needed to be cleaned and smooth. I replaced the gasket and put the exhaust back together making sure there were no leaks. It made the most dramtic improvement ever and the bike runs much quieter. I had a few occassional pops right after replacing the gaskets, but it now has been about a month with no futher issues. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Port Hardy BC | I just got back from a trip from Nanaimo - Sacramento -Sebastopol - Port Angeles - Nanimo. I had the stalling problem 3 or 4 times in 3 days, always when doing a quick stop and the clutch engagaed so it was easy to restart. It is a 2009 and I have less than 2700 miles on it. Same thing had happened a few times at home. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Where's OzVision?
I want to comment on David White's comment on the fuel pump. I just had mine replaced and I will say there is an improvement over performance and the throttle feels more responsive. I can't say there was a dramatic change just prior to the pump going out, but I was noticing a decline in fuel mileage and it started to pop on strange occasions and even stall a few times. I was just figuring it needed new plugs, however, in all the mix of the things I did put in new plugs before the fuel pump was replaced. The fuel pump itself went out suddenly on accel onto the interstate and it took some troubleshooting to determine that as there were bad codes that initially showed up and then didn't after the codes where cleared. Then they looked at the pressure and it was about 29 or so. |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | I had it stall on me once and almost dropped the bike. I just started to execute a left turn and no sooner got me feet up and she died. I think all my dealer did was tightened some terminals up (can't remember if it was at the battery or somewhere else). http://www.vision-riders.com/tech-corner.asp under 2008 has what they did for me. |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | Oh yeah, they reflashed the ECU too. |
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Tourer
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northwest florida | not all states have lemon laws covering motorcycles. Florida is one that does not. I believe there was a discussion about this on here. Contact your local state rep or senator and start something. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | pa does NOT have a lemon law for motorcycles either |
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Side Stand - no eletrical cut out and engine cutting out..