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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Just wanted remind everyone that Lloydz has given Vision-Riders permission to sell his Vision related performance parts through this site. If you are considering purchasing Lloydz' performance parts, I urge you to use this link
Lloydz Motorworks.
Doing so will help defray costs of maintaining this site.
Many Thanks!
Jeff
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San Antonio, TX | Jeff,
I will keep this in mind. Thanks for the heads up.
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Pittsburgh, PA | glad you mentioned it as i have been looking at getting some of his products. i will Now order them through this site... |
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Allen Park, MI | Just got done ordering all my items..Great customer service. Nicole over there was very helpful. |
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Newberry, Mi. | I'm so glad Lloyd does what he does! As soon as I get an 8-Ball Vision it will be time for all of the go fast goodies he has for the Vision.
In the past, I've taken a lot of time, sometimes a year or two, to get all of my bikes upgrades. This time I'm putting away the cash so I can upgrade as soon as I have my Vision. |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | NEWS UPDATE: Lloyd has a new online store and we will now link directly to it. Using the link image below will help support this site.
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Northeast Ohio | Jeff, just bought my IAC from Lloydz site last Friday. I'll use yours for new purchases. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Hey gadget how did he IAC work for u. Is all your popping surging gone.? Did u have to fine tune it more than once? |
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Danville, CA | Thanks for all the info. Whom in Nor Cal would you recommend to take my 08 Vision to to have some work done. I have thunderstix, but want to get rid of back firing and get it running smoother.. Does Ness, Dublin have experience? thanks for the info.. |
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Yellowknife, NT Canada | I bought the fuel controller and intake plate. Waiting for them to arrive... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Gadget: I read somewhere that Lloyds has a rpm limiter that allows 6400 rpm........... |
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Tucson , AZ | I have a Lloyds, cam kit, and Ness big honkers. I noticed that the bike still has popping, and the bike seems to run a little fat on the bottom end. Anyone else have this problem? |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Just wanted to bring this thread back on-topic. Lloyd has granted Vision-Riders special dispensation anytime we send people to his store and they buy something.
Please use the link below whenever you go to lloydz store. Doing so will help defray costs of maintaining this site.
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Never had a bad spot down low.
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Danville, CA | Thanks. When the rains hit nor cal I will place my order thru here Glad u posted |
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Vancouver, B.C. & La Quinta, CA | Yep, just like #57 rich running motor, my bike has the same graph. Zero to about 3000 rpm runs rich and over 5000 runs lean. Only way I could get it to run even at about 13.4 was to switch to the PC V which controls fuel at every 100 rpm making it easy to tune.
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Simpsonville, SC | DAL,
You switched away from the VFC 3 to Power Commander 5? Did PC make some changes that make it easier to fine tune versus the vfc 3?
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Danville, CA | Nice #'s.. FYI.. I have the same config, but with Thunderstix and got 118.6 HP and 116 Torque.. Just a little more. My fuel and air curve is flat too.. |
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Southeast Missouri | I already have the fuel controller and intake plate along with Ness Big Honkers. Vision runs like hell! |
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| Let's hope so. I had a S&S 114 kit in my 09 Vision which turned out to be a DISASTER! We going to the Loydz kit with much optimizim. If not we're going back to harley. |
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Just a little FYI..We now have a new adjustable intake system that works in conjuction with the intake plate and has adjustable sleeves to suit your build. We have a few bikes out there testing them and so far we are seeing about 5-6 hp and torque gains consistently across the board. I debuted it in Iowa at AVR so some of you may have seen it already. Please feel free to call me if you want to discuss it further. It was good seeing all my Vision riders out there.
So gentlemen, with all the new things we are coming out for the Vision intake system, Im getting alot of questions about perking up the intake on the Crosscountry. As we all know, the frame design leaves very little room to work with. We have actually removed the filter system entirely and it did not improve the performance of this bike whatsoever, which tells us that it has a fairly adequate system already. We've done tons of large builds on these bikes and although they dont pull as much as the Vision IN MOST CASES, they hold their own pretty well. One thing to remember is that the intake is only ONE part of a TWO part application. Without a decent flowing exhaust system it doesnt matter WHAT you put on the Crosscountry. NOW...one more thing, Im hearing alot of you suggesting that we resolve to cutting the frame on your Crosscountrys to work the intake. DO NOT DO THIS!!!!! Lloyd cannot stress enough what risks you will be opening yourself up to if you let anyone alter that frame. Think about it guys. Is a few more horsepower/torque (MAYBE) worth jeopardizing the integrity of your motorcycle????? Theres a reason we havent done it yet. ITS A BAD IDEA!! It would take a highly skilled heliarc welder (and thats not even a guarantee) to chop your frame and put it back together with absolutely no risk of weakening the aluminum. So for those of you who have had it cross your mind, wipe it from your memory banks completely. If you want to discuss this just call me. Despite what youve heard, I still do answer the phones when I can...and I will call you back!
Bri
Hard-On-Horsepower
Lloydz Motor Workz
(845) 744-4889
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Lloydz has released their redesigned Vision Intake Filter.
As always, with any purchase from Lloydz you make using the link below, Lloyd will help defray some of the costs of maintaining this website (Vision-Riders.com).
Thank You Lloyd!
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Here's the NEW & IMPROVED Vision Intake Filter
Designed to increase intake efficiency and minimize flow turbulence in the Vision's unique air intake. It is also quieter than our original design. Easy to install and produces 7-8 Hp Gain. It simply replaces the current stock plate installed in your Vision.
HOH-VIF-001 $84.95
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seattle, wa | BillyJoe - 2011-12-21 1:28 PM
Here's the NEW & IMPROVED Vision Intake Filter
Designed to increase intake efficiency and minimize flow turbulence in the Vision's unique air intake. It is also quieter than our original design. Easy to install and produces 7-8 Hp Gain. It simply replaces the current stock plate installed in your Vision.
HOH-VIF-001 $84.95
Will this increase HP on an otherwise stock bike, or are other upgrades needed?
Funny, I emailed Lloydz about this air filter and was told it is not designed to be quieter than the old design, but it does seem quieter on some bikes.
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Pittsburgh, PA | I was just wondering ... what was the reason for the redesigned top air filter? Basically... it is worth getting this new filter if you already have the older one? |
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Troy, NY | I'm curious about this. It appears it would decrease the noise level. If this is the case, I would buy one without hesitation. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | if it was to decrease noise i wouldnt expect it to be a night and day difference. im sure going from a foam air filter to a cotton gauze filter wouldnt be so sound deafening that it be make a major difference. i believe from the photo that the new filter has a bigger opening compared to the where it had foam wedged between two holes |
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San Clemente | I just installed it. I'm not sure I hear any more noise than before, obviously there must be some. I know I lost about a pound at least removing the plate. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | mackgoo - 2011-12-21 7:17 PM
I just installed it. I'm not sure I hear any more noise than before, obviously there must be some. I know I lost about a pound at least removing the plate.
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San Clemente | I meant the cover I took of weighed at least a pound. |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | OK, gents, a mea culpa...
I administer Lloydz site and added the description for the Intake Filter in his store. I misinterpreted what Lloyd said to me about the filter being quieter than his original design. After talking again with Lloyd he clarified:
"I thought it was [quieter] when I tried it on the first bike but I need to do more specific
testing on that before committing to a yes."
It may indeed be quieter, but for the time being I have removed the claim that it is quieter than the original design. Sorry for the jump in assumption and any misconceptions I've spawned, it wasn't Lloyd's fault but strictly mine.
Jeff
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| <p><strong>Funny Funny </strong>You complain about the noise! Gee let me put big honkers on or D&D just what you need less noise.</p><p>  <br /></p>
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San Clemente | Just to ad. on the ride into work today I noted above 3K what I believe to be some intake sound that wasn't there before. It was not an un plaesant sound to me. Other than that I'm not noting any more sound.
Two things to remember:
1. I'm going from completely stock, that's my reference.
2. I'm comming off a Ducati 1098 open clutch and full Arrows and I really enjoyed the raucus. A sowing machine quiet engine is not really something that appeals to me so What may not be obtrusive to me may be to some one else. |
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San Clemente | John how did you lower your bike? |
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San Clemente | I have a few more observations. One at idle there's a slight hiss nothing pronounced just there. Today I drove home with out ear plugs. You definitely hear the suction of the intake nothing that bothers me. 2500 and above the only way to describe it is a nice "growl" kicks in, I like it. I also believe the engine pulls a lot cleaner. On occasion I may find myself in 2nd at around 1-1.5K, prior to although the engine would pull out of that there was a little shuddering to begin with. Now it just cleanly pulls out of it. |
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The Vic Shop - Central Iowa | Got my new shipment of intake plates in today. Very cool! I think they make less noise, but the noise never bothered me anyway.
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Phenix City AL. | I just installed the trush mufflers, the ups guy dropped off my intake, I have a vfc3 on the shelf, but dont know where to start with it, can I install the filter with out installing the vfc? or should I wait and get them installed together ?
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Georgia | jb.hatch - 2011-12-30 4:22 AM
I just installed the trush mufflers, the ups guy dropped off my intake, I have a vfc3 on the shelf, but dont know where to start with it, can I install the filter with out installing the vfc? or should I wait and get them installed together ?
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Phenix City AL. | I did the intake all ready, I looked at the VFC, whats the story on how to pull the conectors off ? I shure do like the extra HP, cant say anything about the noise, had the radio on. Is it worth fooling with the VFC ? runs like a raped ape. |
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Roseburg, OR | Great. As I have posted elsewhere, Lloydz claim of 30% HP increase on a Vision with their cam is bogus. After having their cam and Commander V installed, Dyno showed 15-16% increase in HP at rear wheel. Hardly worth the cost, in my opinion. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | DrJohn2 - 2012-06-18 10:43 AM
Great. As I have posted elsewhere, Lloydz claim of 30% HP increase on a Vision with their cam is bogus. After having their cam and Commander V installed, Dyno showed 15-16% increase in HP at rear wheel. Hardly worth the cost, in my opinion.
didnt you just post the samething else where?
btw you do understand not any one dyno will give you the same results right? you can take your 09 vision and one if on one dyno, then 15 mins later run it on another dyno and you will NOT get the same numbers... so while the cams werent what you expected ON PAPER.. it has been for everyone else.. And if you have the same cams as everyone else what does that tell you? 1) dyno is Wrong... 2) fuel controller not properly configured for your setup 3) air temp, air pressure, hell even the condition and type of rear tire you have effects a dyno! There is soooooooo much more to the complete story and just saying the cams suck. cause like i said earlier if they are the SAME cams that every one else has and they have triple digit hp numbers than it is more than likely your setup or user error on the dyno... just saying.....
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | DrJohn2 - 2012-06-18 11:43 AM
Great. As I have posted elsewhere, Lloydz claim of 30% HP increase on a Vision with their cam is bogus. After having their cam and Commander V installed, Dyno showed 15-16% increase in HP at rear wheel. Hardly worth the cost, in my opinion.
Doesn't sound like something Lloyd would say. Point to where LLoydz claims a 30% HP increase with their cams. It's not listed anywhere I can find on his site. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Jedi Jeff - 2012-06-18 11:44 AM
DrJohn2 - 2012-06-18 11:43 AM
Great. As I have posted elsewhere, Lloydz claim of 30% HP increase on a Vision with their cam is bogus. After having their cam and Commander V installed, Dyno showed 15-16% increase in HP at rear wheel. Hardly worth the cost, in my opinion.
Doesn't sound like something Lloyd would say. Point to where LLoydz claims a 30% HP increase with their cams. It's not listed anywhere I can find on his site.
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| Anyone install LLoydz idle screw without other mods to cure low idle/stalling? Did it help?
Or may along with the intake filter?
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The Vic Shop - Central Iowa | kris1956 - 2013-05-14 6:55 AM
I would like to see where Lloyd claimed 30% increase with cams also.
Here is a stock Vision VS the same bike after: VM1 cams, PCV, top filter, Adam Bomb pipes and timing gear.
If my math is right that is 34% more HP and 14% more tq.
Of course that is stock VS a COMPLETE cam job. If you rolled in with the top filter, controller, pipes timing gear already the gain would not be as much.
Still a nice gain for just a few hours of bolt-on parts.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Just bring this thread back on topic. Lloydz has given Vision-Riders permission to sell his Vision related performance parts through this site. If you are considering purchasing Lloydz' performance parts, I urge you to use this link:
Lloydz Motorworks.
Doing so will help defray costs of maintaining this site.
Many Thanks!
Jeff
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Lloydz goodies:
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Price, UT | Doesn't putting this filter in defeat the cold air intake of the bike? I would imagine the air getting sucked in from this filter would be hot vs the cooler air coming in the front. Doesn't cooler air = more HP? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | it doesn't have a cold air injection . an air filter up front does not make for a cold air injection .. |
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Jasper, MO | sdcvic - 2016-04-11 9:20 PM
Doesn't putting this filter in defeat the cold air intake of the bike? I would imagine the air getting sucked in from this filter would be hot vs the cooler air coming in the front. Doesn't cooler air = more HP?
More air plus more fuel also = more HP.
The front filter is still in operation. The top filter adds more air flow to the total. A fuel controller and/or an ECU remap adds more fuel to go with it. Result is more HP. It works.
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Asheville, NC | Do the engines run hotter ? |
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Virginia Beach, VA | If you just add the extra air filter to allow more air intake with out having the fuel flow increased, you will create a lean condition that will cause the engine to run hot. With the increased air intake something is needed to also increase the fuel flow, ie Fuel Controller or ECU adjustment. As in a previous statement, more air, more fuel equals more HP. Adjust to keep your Air/Fuel ratio with in guidelines and all is good. Actually your motor will run cooler. When cruising along with the extra HP, you can adjust your throttle so that your fuel consumption will remain close to the same as before the air filter and fuel controller was added. But being tame on the throttle is just no fun. |
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Asheville, NC | Thank you. |
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