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Pittsburgh, PA | Since I have had the S1L1 installed on my vision I noticed popping and coughing at the intake and the pipes. I recently noticed that while merging on a freeway it will at times act like it wants to stall going into 2nd gear. The bike went back into the dealer today. The dealer called victory to make sure that the s1l1 map took. It did according to victory and the digital wrench. So victory thought they was a intake leak due to the problems I mentioned, so they had my dealer check for a intake gasket leak (don't know where at) then they wanted them to check for a exhaust leak, and then even check something that had to do with the idle and throttle cables. (idle is not adjustable so they said) but they wanted my dealer to raise the idle with something and spray starter fluid at a certain area to see if there was a intake leak. When nothing was found, Victory changed their story and said, its normal and that's how it runs based on the S1L1 map and the EPA regs for that map.. I told them, its one thing to pop and cough, but to almost stall!
Also I noticed that my mpg is close to 50mpg. And now my gatlin end caps never turn black now. Which both of them are good things. Just not normal to what I am used too. All of these issues happened AFTER they installed the replacement air filter and the S1L1 map.
I was nice to my dealer, but I told them. I need this in writing that this is normal. Normal meaning I could stall while merging onto the freeway. They said why? I said I need to know who to sue when I get into a accident.. then they said they want my bike over night and they will call victory again. I said if victory said this is NORMAL and there is NOTHING they can do for me. I want this in writing.. Bottom line the dealer told me they think it is running to lean and shows all the signs of a lean running motorcycle. But since I have a F.I. system I would have to purchase a $300+ device to "FIX" the setup that shouldn't need fixed.. anyone else have this issue? What was your fix..
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Columbus, Ga | Mine has had S1L1 since the day I picked it up. It now has 900mi on it. It will stumble and sometimes stall if I give it a few short revs while I am stopped like at a red light right before I take off. That kinda safety rev before you take off just to make sure the bike is going to respond before you take off and not flashy rev just to get looked at. It also pops upshifting from time to time. It has stalled twice on me going into 2nd. It feels to me like its loading up. Gatlin tips get dark but I think no darker than normal as I understand thats what they do. I am hoping for some input on this subject as well. I have a 09 for about a month now. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | There really is an issue with the dealer - service. Sounds a lot like the dealers in my area. I would be interested on how many Visions with your set up they have sold. Find out if others from the dealer have had to install a fuel controller for $$$$$. My advice if you can find a better dealer - service, do it. Good luck. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | WOW! i cant believe this is how a OEM setup would run from victory! i can see if this was some aftermarket product! but this is a Victory setup... and it runs like crap compared to stock.. when my bike was stock it never ever stalled or popped or coughed... no noises at all... i asked the dealer to make a request for victory to purchase my s1l1 setup back from me.. i dont think a $500 setup should run like this... to be honest the backfiring,popping is embarrassing... but more so the stalling it straight out telling me something is NOT right with the bike! |
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LaPorte,Tx. | The Stage 1 level 1 is a dealer installed option. There are hundreds of Stage 1 Level 1 and 2 running around out there with no problems, so why do you blame Victory for your issues. How do you know the install was correct and the dealer is just wanting you to buy a fuel controller. When I ordered my Vision, I ordered the Stage 1 Level 1 kit. When I got the bike, I installed the air filter and the mufflers and ran it that way for several hunderd miles until I was able to get the bike to the dealer for the flash. Bike ran lean, popped and stalled gas mileage was high. But I figured it was due to not being flashed with the new code for the set up. After that was done, things were better. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm starting to get the feeling there are falty EFI's out there and yet to be discovered. I'm stock 100% and I've had popping issues again here recently. My dealer has tried to convince me that stock has issues that S1L1 will take care of. I've told them that doesn't matter to me because the bike should run fantastic from stock. My popping is not as severe as some has described though when I first got it, it was. It seemed to be an exhaust leak that caused the problem and feel that is the issue still, or an intake leak. I'm hoping to get time soon to shake it down to see what is the issue, but hopefully some will hit the real problem here and we can get on with riding. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | my dealer mentioned about a fuel controller, but said they arent aware of one for my bike. so it didnt sound like they were making a sale.. they werent saying hey if you buy "XXX" your problems will be gone.. but they did say it is running lean, no matter what victory tells them.. my dealer said the victory maps have to pass the EPA regs. i could careless about the epa regs but its not up to me.. kinda makes me wonder though... If i was to get a fuel controller like the VFCIII i would surely get that intake to at least try and make buying a fuel controller more worth while... |
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20 miles west of Chicago. | I think Vision Tex hit the nail. Your dealer doesn't sound too knowlegable about his product, and you may want to make sure the Stage 1 reflash was properly done. |
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Boydsville, AR United States | Mine also has these issues. I havent even run a tank of gas through it yet, but with these issues, I think a tripback to the dealer is in order. Mine pops when you roo on the throttle from a idle, and sometimes between shifts. It has a LOT MORE power though. My question is, why would leaky gaskets just show up. If that were the case, why didn't the problem show up with the old set up? I bought Victory upgrades, instead of aftermarket because I thought Victory had tested the setup. I would expect a $300.00 toll to fix it if you had bought aftermarket, BUT????
I agree with the lean running. There is amoung snowmobilers who like to ride the lean edge of the curve on jetting. If if runs like it has never before (fast), its probally gonna burn down. A lean running 4 stroke probally woun't burn down, but will generate more heat at the pipes, and they are hot enough all ready |
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Pittsburgh, PA | yesterday my dealer confirmed over the phone with victory that the S1L1 map is installed in my bike. whats interesting to me is. how the victory tech over the phone said, OH YEAH there is something wrong no doubt. but then after he told me dealer what to do and nothing came back with a fix, the same tech said its now Normal.. so like i said before ok. i want a receipt or something in writting saying this is normal so when i get into a accident i know who to Sue.... bottom line of facts.
1) bike ran great before s1l1
2) bike even ran good with before the air filter was installed and NEW fuel injection map installed.
victory had them check for exhaust leaks and some sort of intake leak. VIC wanted them to check for a intake leak because this happened on 5 other visions with this problem. (according to vic over the phone) Ill tell you this. they sure had alot of ideas and opinions on what was WRONG, until they couldnt find what was wrong, then it was labeled normal. so today i will call the dealer and see what they said.. no better yet i will just leave it there and wait for them to call me since i go back to work tomorrow anyways.. i refuse to buy a fuel controller to fix their lame ass EPA s1l1 map. and from what ive been reading on 3 forums i am not alone on this.... |
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Kewaskum, WI | Chris - You are not alone. I am having a similar issue. |
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Kewaskum, WI | VisionTex - 2009-05-04 8:15 PM
The Stage 1 level 1 is a dealer installed option. There are hundreds of Stage 1 Level 1 and 2 running around out there with no problems, so why do you blame Victory for your issues.
Well, there is a problem with the S1 map from Victory. Just ask the hundreds of riders who get the popping on decel. I know of ONE Vision that has the S1 setup and doesn't pop on decel (and he is running an illegal map obtained from a Victory engineer). If yours doesn't pop, then I guess there are two Visions  . Now, whether or not the map is the issue in THIS case, that remains to be seen. But the fact of the matter is, there are problems with the map, Victory knows there are problems with the map.
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Pittsburgh, PA | my dealer told me today he was going to ride the bike cold and then report to victory how it rides. but im guessing i am S.O.L. As he can only do what victory allows them to do.. i told them i was unhappy with this S1L1 performance in terms of just normal riding. popping,surging almost stalling.. im not concerned with MAX HP. i just wanted it to sound good, but then after the s1l1 map was installed is when it started acting up... its kinda embarrassing how much it pops between shifts. it makes the bike look like there is something wrong with it. but my main concern is safety.. im nervous about it stalling on a highway with a car behind me.. maybe its not a real concern? but it was scary riding to my dealer yesterday when it was surging like it wasnt getting spark.. then when it warmed up a little more it wasnt as bad.. but if you pull from a dead stop thats when you really feel it.. |
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Under the Rule of Jedi - Masshole | For what it's worth, I did a self install of the S1L1 pipes, didn't install the air cleaner that came with it, didn't have the re-mapping done, matter of fact it has never gone back to the dealer other than to buy more stuff, and with over 5500 miles, it runs just great. I don't need all the power, I have other bikes if I feel a need for speed. So my advice, either look for another dealer, try looking for an exhaust leak yourself, or ask the dealer to put it back stock at his cost since it ran better that way. I wish I had a better answer for you, but it seems like something just isn't right.
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Pittsburgh, PA | yeah i was thinking about that.. putting back to stock.. it ran fine on just the mufflers for the 1-2 days before the air filter and flashing.. but like i said as soon as they installed the air filter and flashed the ecu to have s1l1 mapping it when it was night and day difference.... i know the air filter is too let in MORE air, but i thought the map was to let more fuel in to match the increased air flow? its almost like i installed the air filter with no s1l1 flash at all. on the digtial wrench from victory it shows i have the S1L1 map installed. So i dont know whats next. i mentioned to my deal. ( i wasnt serious) but i mentioned since victory thinking this popping and surging is normal, would they buy back my $500 setup io bought that doesnt let my bike function properly. the dealer said thats up to them. i wasnt totally serious about that. but i am serious about the bike sounding like and running like an improperly jetting carb.. the dealer even said it running like a bike that needed rejetted. but there is nothing they can do about that expect install the maps that victory gives them... and victory said they have to have maps that are to the EPA specs... UPDATE i just got a call from my dealer.. they rode the bike and it didnt "sneeze" for them when they rode it.. victory told them over the phone there is nothing they can do for me.. it is what it is.. and they have had other calls related to the same issue.. but the map is what it is a epa reg'd fuel map.. none adjustable. i wonder now much thought went into these maps. and i think it was kevinX that told me about the issues related to the victory fuel maps or the closed looped F.I. i told him back then i never had a problem with mine at all.. UNTIL NOW........ now i see exactly what he means..... i have a feeling this is going to cost me... "fuel controller".. which is damn near $300 ! well time to go pick up my bike and try not to rip someone a new one.. its not my dealers fault. i cant blame them since soo many others on other forums are complaining about the same thing! |
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Under the Rule of Jedi - Masshole | I feel your pain. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes. Can/will the dealer put the stock map back without changing the pipes? Stock air filter maybe? I mean just for sheets and giggles.
I see you are in SW PA, maybe a ride up to Pine Bush NY is in order. I hear there is a man that has a screw driver and paper clip! Ah yes the old days of tuning a Victory! Remember boys? |
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New Bohemia, VA | When my bike was at its worse with the popping, just within a month of getting, my dealer kept it for a few days and swore they never could get it to do it. This was actually on more than one occasion. I would leave the dealer and not even get around the corner and it would do it again. All I kept hearing in my ear was "Get S1L1" and that should take care of it. I personnally rank my dealer up there among the best, but don't understand these types of exchanges. It still pops, a little, but I'll never take it back to them for that reason. I know this is a simple fix somewhere, it is just yet to be discovered. Tightening the exhaust nuts alone took care of 90% of it, but it does still does the "sneeze". |
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Kewaskum, WI | I don't think the real issue here is the popping, that's just an annoyance that you may have to live with. The real issue here is the hesitation/stalling that is occuring in second gear. This is a safety issue that really needs to be addressed. |
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New Bohemia, VA | we may be talking related issues but not the same issue. Once I am under way I do not have a problem, it is when I take off, if I get there then it is not problem. The other time it occurs is coming to a stop and I let off the gas and disengage the clutch, it might die sometimes. This occurs especially in traffic, and yes it is a hazard. I'm glad it fires quickly after it shuts off. It doesn't happen everytime, but once is too much. either way, it is not cool just because the bike is. |
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Northeast Ohio | Do you remember the reflash recall from last year? Confirm with your dealer that you are indeed getting the latest S1L1 reflash from Vic that 'helps' with the stalling issue from 2008. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | raynman - 2009-05-05 10:07 AM
VisionTex - 2009-05-04 8:15 PM
The Stage 1 level 1 is a dealer installed option. There are hundreds of Stage 1 Level 1 and 2 running around out there with no problems, so why do you blame Victory for your issues.
Well, there is a problem with the S1 map from Victory. Just ask the hundreds of riders who get the popping on decel. I know of ONE Vision that has the S1 setup and doesn't pop on decel (and he is running an illegal map obtained from a Victory engineer). If yours doesn't pop, then I guess there are two Visions . Now, whether or not the map is the issue in THIS case, that remains to be seen. But the fact of the matter is, there are problems with the map, Victory knows there are problems with the map.
Yes, I don't have the problem because I use Synthetic oil. It is SLICKERY and doesn't let that pressure build up and fart out during decel. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | well i rode home from the dealer and it is still doing it.. |
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Under the Rule of Jedi - Masshole | raynman - 2009-05-05 12:07 PM
VisionTex - 2009-05-04 8:15 PM
The Stage 1 level 1 is a dealer installed option. There are hundreds of Stage 1 Level 1 and 2 running around out there with no problems, so why do you blame Victory for your issues.
Well, there is a problem with the S1 map from Victory. Just ask the hundreds of riders who get the popping on decel. I know of ONE Vision that has the S1 setup and doesn't pop on decel (and he is running an illegal map obtained from a Victory engineer). If yours doesn't pop, then I guess there are two Visions . Now, whether or not the map is the issue in THIS case, that remains to be seen. But the fact of the matter is, there are problems with the map, Victory knows there are problems with the map.
Make that 3 that doesn't pop because mine with the S1L1 stock air filter and stock map doesn't. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | with your stock air filter i think your NOT letting in more air.. more air is the reason i "think" it is running lean... but here is my 2cents.. i didnt spend all that money to NOT use every part of the package i paid for.. that air filter is $60 alone! not even counting the map you paid for as part of the package.. So unless your using all parts of the package you really cant say the s1l1 is not popping |
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New Bohemia, VA | Well, the big long Victory truck is at my dealer. So on the way home I stop by to chat since I won't get there tomorrow maybe before he leaves. I tell the driver that I've got over 40K and wanted to know if he knew how many had more. He says he knows of one guy in florida, somewhere around melbourne that has over 60K. Then he asks "are you having any problems?" I say "none, except for the poppin'" My dealer chimes in and says "yeah, and he's still running the stock pipes and has all the latest reflash." Now I don't say anything about this discussion or the zillion other posts on the boards concerning this, but the trailer guy says "I think it is those O2 sensors that is giving the problem because of all the others that have the problem." Well from that point on we went to another subject. Has any one had their O2 sensors changed and it made a difference??? |
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Under the Rule of Jedi - Masshole | Arkainzeye - 2009-05-05 7:09 PM
with your stock air filter i think your NOT letting in more air.. more air is the reason i "think" it is running lean... but here is my 2cents.. i didnt spend all that money to NOT use every part of the package i paid for.. that air filter is $60 alone! not even counting the map you paid for as part of the package.. So unless your using all parts of the package you really cant say the s1l1 is not popping
Yes you are probably right about the air cleaner. I also see you stated your gas milage was close to 50, am I correct? If so than it sure does look like you are running lean, as most get mpg's in the low forties. I not saying you shouldn't use all the pieces that you paid for, but if it was me, I'd try changing the air filter back to stock, and looking at the exhaust for a possible leak. Either of these might just work until you can get this sorted out. |
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Columbus, Ga | As stated earlier i have very simular problems except my mileage is low 40's |
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Pittsburgh, PA | the highest gas mileage i gotten was 51, on average NOW after the s1l1 its 47.. before the s1l1 it was 41-42 |
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Tri Cities, WA | I to have the same issue on my 08 premium. No problems stock but once I added the S1/L1 I too have pooping now but it only happens when i upshift accelerate never when down shifting. I also get once in a blue moon a loud pop out of my intake area. It usaully happens when traveling real slow and i try to gun it. Still scratching my head on this as well. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | yeah my dealer said thats all what a lean condition does. it was funny.. my vision with the s1l1 pipes were fine UNTIL they installed the new replacement air filter and then mapped the bike.. im guessing its the air filter letting the bike breathe better and the fuel injection map NOT giving it enough fuel.. ? like i said.. IT WAS FINE BEFORE THE AIR FILTER AND MAP.... |
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So Cal | I'm curious if the problem is right after install or after some miles. Todays computers are able to compensate for diffrent condittions but have to ridden for a while. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i have about 500 miles on the bike since the install of the air filter and the map. |
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| Sorry to hear about your problem.........hope they fix it. The only thing that was keeping me from doing stage 1 was the price............I'm staying stock. |
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So Cal | Arkainzeye - 2009-05-06 5:07 PM
i have about 500 miles on the bike since the install of the air filter and the map.
There are definatly other issues here. Maybe the map they downloaded was faulty? As soon as I find the time and money, I'm going to try the EFI 2000 from Cobra. Since I have no plans for major motor work, It sounds like a good compromize at the right price. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | oh i forgot about the cobra unit? it is a plug in device... hmmm.. im going to have to look into it and compare prices.. then think about the tech support. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i went onto COBRAS website and they have nothing at all listed for the victorys... is there a part number for that cobra fuel management unit... just curious to see the price. |
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| Guys if you want a fuel management system go to run to terry components he has a true fuel system that programs its self as you ride.
Ask for keith and tell him john frey told you about the system. He doesn't have it on his web page yet but he has the best one on the market. Better then llioyds and ness's |
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Peachtree City, GA | Ok - that is a nice claim but what is it? Without details it is useless.
One of the best true close loop systems is the DynoJet PC-V with the Auto Tune setup.
Second would be the VFC-III as it has been programmed specifically for the Victorys.
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| You can read about terry components normal system on his web page. I am five others I now have used it on there harleys. From built 100 horse motors to stock. Dynojet is a ok system but in the past they have been just ok not great. I will spend my money on the terry and if he wasn't around I would do the dynojet but the rest I wouldn't spend a dime on them. He might be the guy thats making lloyds |
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Peachtree City, GA | I did find the website and read about it. Now if he would advertise something for other then Harley... But then again - I understand the bread and butter thing.
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | Read Lloyds blog on popping. |
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| Here I am with my 2 cents worth. I drill out my stock pipes with a hole saw. Now it pops going up ward in the gears. I think thats cause it has been opened up and now leaned out. I put on S1L1 and the pooping is still there. Cause I am chap I haven't changed the air cleaner.
I think your way to lean I don't remember if you said how much your mileage changed. If you know where your throttle body's are you can spray WD 40 up there and if you here the motor raise up or will say idle faster then yes you have a leak. I think from what every one says here that polaris has a horse shit map. Why not contact Lloyd's and see what they say. As for your staling when leaving a light that more then likely is the lack of fuel. If you were getting to much fuel it would bog down on you and when you nailed it there would be a big puff of back smoke.
If you have to go to a fuel tuner power commander and terry components are the only ones that have a plug in system and it adjusts the fuel every minuet your ride for the optional performance. Don't mess with that screw driver ones. |
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Gettysburg, 2008 Tour Premium | I rode up to see LLoyd last Tuesday. Wanted to have a few minutes to cover some things I have been working on. He made space to spin my bike and set the VFC. He mentioned two things I have not heard mentioned. He showed me how to drain water from the the air box and he also mentioned the MAP sensor as a possible culprit to some ill running bikes. He seemed hesitant to indicate the problem is widespread but he pulled mine and cleaned it with contact cleaner and the bike ran a little smoother. I used K&N oil on the foam on Lloyds intake plate and thought about it later when I remembered how some GoldWings would react to oily MAP sensors. |
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San Antonio, TX | wroman,
So how do you drain the water from the airbox? |
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| You get on the floor and just above the bat is a red plug pull it off. The only way I see water getting in is rain washing or going from hot to cold. Like the guys who start there bike in the middle of winter. NO don't be it unless your going to run it for a hour. Condensation forms in side the motor. I was thinking of putting a filter on mine and then thought not good it will get all wet and do nothing then. |
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dinwiddie, va | ...
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Green Bay, WI United States | "MAP" SENSORS ARE NOT GOOD WITH ANY STAGE CHANGE OR WITH OIL CONTAMINATION AND IF YOU MODIFY YOUR VICTORY BY ADDING A STAGE 1/LEVEL 1 KIT WITH THE OILED KN FILTER ALONG WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS NO CLUE ABOUT A PROPER RE-FLASH OR BEFORE/AFTER WITH THIS NEW EQUIPMENT, HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM.. CONTACT LLOYDZ FOR THE LATEST GREATETST EXHAUST GASKETS THAT ENDED ALL MY MISFIRE/BACKFIRE CHALLENGES AND ALSO MADE MY 03 TC A FRIEND TO TUNE (THANKS TO HIS FUEL CONTROLLER). THIS BIKE RAN SO GOOD AT TOMAHAWK DURING THE PARADE IT GOT SIDEWAYS AT ANY SPEED AND DID NOT BURP, BELCH, FART, OR BACKFIRE, IT JUST RAN SO GOOD AND I HAD ALREADY DE-TUNED IT FOR THE PARADE. STILL WAS A HOT ROD!! SORRY THIS SITE IS FOR VISIONS WHICH I JUST BOUGHT ONE BUT THE CHEMISTRY FOR ALL THE VICTORY ENGINES IS ABOUT THE SAME. MY GUTS TELL ME THAT SOME, NOT ALL OF THE BACKFIRE PROBLEMS ARE GASKET/LEAK RELATED. THIS INFO IS NOT NEW JUST BEING REINFORCED BY THE REPLACEMENT WITH LLOYD'S EXHAUST GASKETS. SEE LLOYD WHEN YOU VIC IS NOT RUNNING RIGHT, HE IS HARD ON HORSEPOWER!!!! |
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| I don't think a dealer can flash your ECM back to stock. ASK them if they can. Every thing I read about these up date and performance exhaust makes me think the ECM in our bikes is not a good one. I think the ECM is junk and not made to handle up grades. In my mind the ECM controls all the fuel and RPM curves. I have the stage 1 exhaust and here and the it pops when I go up threw the gears and then there are times it doesn't. I have spread WD40 up around the the fuel injection body's and no RPM incresae.
I wrote lloydz and ask them if I was to do a fuel control could I use a power commander V for my 08 and hes said yes. The reason for the power commander V is it self adjusts as you ride.
Its pretty lam of victory to treat us this way and from I can read and see the dealers don't really have our best interests or they could put there
foot down and get victory to help us.
What we have to do is start writing the National Highway Traffic Safety and tell them of our loss of power. I don't think they will care about the popping but if we tell them we are loosing power when entering traffic maybe they will talk to polaris. I mean they are the ones that made Toyota do there recall. So Write them. I did |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I wouldn't write the NHTS and tell them about replacing stock exhaust systems, that would open up another can of worms none of wants to look at !!! |
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| HEY what year bike?????????????????????????????????????????? WHAT model????????????????????????????????????????????????
YOU and OTHERS never say what you have just that you want help. SHAME on you if you don't get the right answers.
Now if you have a 08 vision they have a special down load.
So what do you have????????????????????????????????????????????????/ |
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| SHAME ON YOU
We can't help if you don't tell us what year and model.
If you have a 08 vision they have a special down load for that year. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Started the SPCSHP today and IMMEDIATELY noticed a 'mis-fire'. Bike was running perfectly last weekend. Took it out to see if something 'just didn't need clearing' - and got bad backfires and missing power-strokes. Full throttle was INSTANT GO, but letting off was Zillion Bangs. Took it to my dealer where the Manager changed my plugs but popping still bad. I was on 1/3 tank of fuel - so I topped up with CHEVRON 94 and went for another spin. Under FULL THROTTLE - the bike was it's usual KevinXinated zip - until I released the throttle. I can't drive it like this. Any thoughts ???
The curious thing to me is that it was running perfectly, as it has for 8 years. Start it up yesterday - and WHAM. ALL I can think of is some part, somewhere, broke when the bike was sitting, cooling down - question is - WHAT part ??? Dealer had NO ideas ... although he mentioned some kind of possible gasket problem on the front cylinder - build up of crud around the spark plug hole.
Appreciate any thoughts - bike seems to act like others in THIS post ....
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Jasper, MO | Don, take a really close look at the throttle body adapter. See if the rubberized outer covering is coming loose from the aluminum body. You will have to get a tool or finger in there and see if the rubber covering is loose. It may be, and this causes a part throttle air leak. If it is, you can work some black RTV sealant in between the rubber covering and the aluminum body and seal it back up for awhile, but a new throttle body adapter is the proper repair. Part number 1203866.
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Jasper, MO | double post.
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Edited by rdbudd 2015-09-10 4:02 PM
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| I have the S1L-2 set-up without a reflash and it runs and sounds just fine. A reflash is not needed |
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| start with the simple thing first. Charge your battery they have a load test done on it.
Vic's don't run good with poor electrical power |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | rdbudd - 2015-09-10 1:59 PM Don, take a really close look at the throttle body adapter. See if the rubberized outer covering is coming loose from the aluminum body. You will have to get a tool or finger in there and see if the rubber covering is loose. It may be, and this causes a part throttle air leak. If it is, you can work some black RTV sealant in between the rubber covering and the aluminum body and seal it back up for awhile, but a new throttle body adapter is the proper repair. Part number 1203866. Ronnie SPCSHP has been with the dealer for 10 days - told me today the new 'throttle body adapter' and 'asm-tubes' were replaced and it was done. I hopped on, fired it up (after paying $480) and headed home. Which lasted until my first shift - was better than before - but still not what it should be. Turned around, and got the Service Manager to take it out - he came back and agreed with me. So, bike stayed, wife drove home with me. Naturally, all this is during beautiful sunny early Fall days ... <more to come - good news I hope - but he was talking about removing the LLoydz breathing part > |
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| as anyone not have the map installed?
Edited by Banjo 2015-10-21 10:00 PM
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| Banjo - 2015-10-21 9:59 PM as anyone not have the map installed? I put on S1L1 and did and flash. I ride it all the time and the bike runs great. Victorys flash will add 2% more fuel and 2% more timing all for around $160 bucks not worth it. If you want a tuner call Rylan at the Vic Shop and buy a VFC111 and ask him to put a mape in it. You'll be farther head then what and lame ass Vic can offer |
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| I installed S1L2 with air filter and stock map.. it runs great. I wonder why? |
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| SO HE never came back and said what was wrong |
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S1L1 issue after install.