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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | The Happy Easter post talked about my wife buying me a Heel Toe Shift kit for the Vision and getting it home.
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3113&pos...
Last night at 8:15 my wife presented me with some gifts from her trip to Tennessee. A new Victory Hat, a Large Victory Patch and the Heel Toe Shift kit for the Vision.
I looked at the instructions for the Shift Kit and thought it would only take 15 minutes to install. I said "Honey, I am going to install this right now."
I turned on the work lights, grabbed the camera and went out side. I laid the Vision on its right side took off the floor board bolt then the shifter bolt. Then slid the shifter unit out of its slot and off the bike.
I went to the tool box and looked and looked but could not find my snap ring pliers. I found my extra tips but not the pliers themselves. Finally I gave up and called my Dad.
Dad has six sets of different snap ring pliers. I arrived at his house at 9:00 PM and brought my extra tips with me. I had to install my tips in the pliers to make it work with this snap ring. Now with the right tool the ring came right off.
I removed the old shifter and put the new one in place. I pushed and cussed but I could not get the shifter very far down on the hex part of the linkage. There were no burs on the parts. It was just a very, very tight fit.
My dad said, "Lets' use a vice to press it on." He is smart old man. Out to the garage we go. We used leather gloves on the vice to keep from marring the metal. We took our time and finished the job using a socket to allow just enough clearance for the snap ring to go on. Both bushings have play in them and the pressed on and shift lever was right in the center. We put the snap ring back in place.
I left Dad my snap ring tips since he had the pliers and went home.
I slid the shifter assembly back in place and bolted it down, then reconnected the shift linkage. Now it is time to pick up the Vision and go for a test ride. Without adjustment to the shift linkage, the toe is high but the heel is perfect. I wish, like the HD unit, the toe and heal could be independently set.
I finished up at 9:45 PM. Good thing I do not charge me book time for the install. I got an hourly rate and made some money off of me. 
I will adjust it when I get home from work. I like it so far and only up-shifted once with my toe on the way to work.
Two things learned to complete the install.
1. Make sure your snap ring pliers have very small tips.
2. You might need to press on the shift lever.
Two things I have always known.
My Dad is a smart old man and he has a really nice set of tools.
P.S I took some pictures and video and will be making a video for the install.
Ride Safe.
Edited by radioteacher 2009-04-13 4:04 PM
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | Radioteacher,
Mine was tight too and the toe part was too high as well. I didn't take off my floorboard.
1. I used a large socket, covered the shifter with a towel and used a dead-blow hammer to persuade it on.
2. Adjust / tighten the turnbuckle linkage that connects the shifter to the tranny to lower the front. While I too would like it to be independent, I found that the heel part didn't raise that much compared to the front. It probably has to do with the fact that it is easier to lift the heal than to lift the toe higher. |
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Iron Butt
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Tri Cities, WA | Nice write up Radio, cant wait to see pics and video and thanks for taking the time to do it as well. Us do it yourself guys luv shit like this. |
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Tourer
Posts: 415
| Not to be a shit, but my dealer installs everything I buy for free.
Of course he put mine on during a $2000 upgrade to a $29000 bike. |
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Tourer
Posts: 377
O'Neill, Nebraska | #57 - 2009-04-13 7:44 PM
Not to be a shit, but my dealer installs everything I buy for free.
Of course he put mine on during a $2000 upgrade to a $29000 bike.
I paid for 1/2 hour of labor at my dealer. I'll dink around with pretty much anything on the bike that is electrical or part of the body. As for the engine/transmission....I leave that up to the experts.
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Tourer
Posts: 415
| Besides putting everyting on for free, they also put a full bar in their back room so I can have a frosty beverage while waiting.
I spend far too much time and money there. |
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Tourer
Posts: 367
Cottage Grove, Mn | #57 - 2009-04-13 9:39 PM
Besides putting everyting on for free, they also put a full bar in their back room so I can have a frosty beverage while waiting.
I spend far too much time and money there.
Nice But mine also has a cigar room |
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Visionary
Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX | #57,
You my friend are blessed with a dealer that lives and breaths "Customer Service". You are a lucky man.
I live in San Antonio, TX, the seventh largest city in the US with 1.3 million of the greatest people on the earth. The weather provides me over 300 riding days a year (now more than that with a Vision).
Victory's only dealer in the county closed shop in December. This did not come as a surprise to me. The next nearest dealer is 96 miles from my house.
Check out the thread below to see how much trouble I had with my dealer.
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1322&sta...
A new dealership opened two weeks ago but they still can not order parts yet.
There is some satisfaction doing the work myself. Plus, I got to work with my Dad on a project that I needed his help on. Maybe God just wanted me to see the old man last night.
I adjusted it tonight and it is much better.
Ride Safe
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Visionary
Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX | Guys help me out here. I was told by a Touring Bike rider that a Heel Toe Shifter is bad for the Transmission. Sounds like an old wifes tale to me.
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Cruiser
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Cumming, GA | Same problems, easy solution. I adjusted my heel down as far as possible and made an extension out of 1/8" metal to extend the toe shifter down. You can make it as low as you want. Cost???? A few minutes of your time. See photo.
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | radioteacher - 2009-04-14 12:08 AM
Guys help me out here. I was told by a Touring Bike rider that a Heel Toe Shifter is bad for the Transmission. Sounds like an old wifes tale to me.
My two cents and mechanical position on the wives tale RT. I might be able to see where that conclustion can be drawn, whether it is substantiated or not is another tale. I personally do not use nor do I care to use a H/T shifter, and the time I did have one on a GL1500 it was very aggrevating. It may have been no more than a matter of getting use to it.
But, here is my assessment on the possibility of the Heel Toe shifter being bad for the Transmission. I know that when I used the heel part I had to exert pressure to shift, where as with the toe it would easily move into gear. I would assume that the angle of pressure is change, albeit, ever so slightly, giving way to some sort of pressure on the bearing area of the shaft and potential binding on the inside. This is an extreme stretch, but someone, somewhere could have had some sort of failure after they installed the H/T Shifter and started the wives tale. With all of that, I do not ever believe that a H/T shifter would ever, forever, give a moments trouble on a Vic tranny or clutch.
Visionbob, Dude, man, slap some chrome on that extenstion thingy! It reminds me a some broadcaster lever on a piece of farm equipment... hmmmmm Polaris, farm equipment, Vic.... oh never mind.
Edited by varyder 2009-04-14 6:35 AM
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Visionary
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San Antonio, TX | visionbob,
I thought of the same thing. Maybe not chroming the part will shame Victory to put some thought into every part they design for the Vision. Clearly this accessory was an after thought. I will be making a drop down part myself. How long is the drop?
varyder,
Thanks for clearing that up.
Ride Safe. |
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Tourer
Posts: 415
| Radioteacher,
They are the greatest dealer to hang out with, plus they did the full Lloyds upgrade
before Daytona and had a small oil leak. They stayed until 9PM the
night before I left to make sure they found and fixed it.
Charged me the original quoted price which was low because they took their time to begin with.
They also have 4 partys a year, either at thier shop or home, they provide liquid, food and the band. Plus have a yearly run to Rangely where they rent out the back room at a local restaurant and buy everyone lunch.
They decided a long time ago that you should take care of those who take care of you.
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Tourer
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Cottage Grove, Mn | visionbob - 2009-04-14 3:32 AM
Same problems, easy solution. I adjusted my heel down as far as possible and made an extension out of 1/8" metal to extend the toe shifter down. You can make it as low as you want. Cost???? A few minutes of your time. See photo.
Visionbob
It looks like you made the extension out of aluminum if so you can use a good aluminum polish and a buffing wheel and it will shine like chrome. I used that process on the belt guard and all my buddy's thought I had it chromed. |
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Cruiser
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CARTAGENA Spain | Someone has tried to adapt the heel of the change in the vision 2011 vision 2010 or earlier
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Tourer
Posts: 494
Akron Ohio area | Just buy the $100 heel piece and add it to the toe shifter with a couple of screws.
All you need is a new 2011 Vision. LOL |
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Tourer
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Akron Ohio area | Just buy the $100 heel piece and add it to the toe shifter with a couple of screws.
All you need is a new 2011 Vision. LOL |
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Visionary
Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX | You are right on the part and the money for the 2011's. That just takes two screws to put on! For the older Visions you need the other part.
Wow! Victory made a less expensive replacement part that is easier to install! |
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Iron Butt
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Peachtree City, GA | adolfoch - 2011-02-19 5:24 PM
Someone has tried to adapt the heel of the change in the vision 2011 vision 2010 or earlier
I think you would need to swap the whole shifter assembly to do it. And yes - I have been thing about it... Just not clear on all the pieces one would need to buy to do it??? |
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Visionary
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Jasper, MO | radioteacher - 2009-04-14 12:08 AM
Guys help me out here. I was told by a Touring Bike rider that a Heel Toe Shifter is bad for the Transmission. Sounds like an old wifes tale to me.
Was the Touring Bike Rider mounted on a GL1800 Goldwing? They have been having a lot of transmission troubles the past few years, and in the search for possible reasons, some owners have tried to blame the Heel-toe shifter. http://www.goldwingowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3059
http://www.gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169740
Most of those owners seem to think that the problem is bad gears or shifting forks, but they take the H-T shifter off before having the warranty rep look at the bike.
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