Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?
wjoel
Posted 2009-03-15 9:11 PM (#30272)
Subject: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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I just changed my oil today,having looked at the service manual,it states that with the filter change,to add approximately 4.5 quarts. I put in 5 quarts, as my dealer added 5 also, at the initial
oil change. After idling the bike for a few minutes, the level is slightly over the full mark.
I'm assuming that the correct capacity should be exactly 4.5 quarts, right ? Now, when I drained the old oil, it filled the 5 containers I had the new oil in. I've read some of the earlier forums,
seeing that there is some different thoughts on the correct capacity.
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varyder
Posted 2009-03-15 11:23 PM (#30290 - in reply to #30272)
Subject: RE: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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Don't take any advice from me, nor hold be liable if you do. Dry capacity is 5 quarts, wet capacity is 4.5 quarts with filter change. With that, when I change my oil I drop the plug, literally in the drain pan so I can fish it out, and pull the old filter. I let it drain for a good while, then I'll rock it back and forth a few times to get what I can out. I open the first bottle of AMSOIL 10w40 Motorcycle oil and stick my finger in to get enough oil to run around the gasket on the filter. I wipe of the filter mating surfice with a clean rag and tighten the new filter on at least a 1/4 to a 1/2 turn past contact, then I snug it tight with my hand, usually the right. Then I fish the drain plug own, wipe of my hand and plug, move the drain pan, spilling half the oil in the drive way. I put on a new copper washer and install the plug, giving it a good snug. Then I remove the dipstick, and put in exactly 4 1/2 quarts of the oil, and reinstall the dipstick. I fire the muther up and let run until I see temp on the dipstick gauge and check for leaks. If there is  none, I ride until the next oil change time, I wish it was continuous though. I've found myself not even checking my oil in between, (gasp), but I do check before I drain to see where it is setting, and guess what? it is always, so far, been on the top fill mark.

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RedRider
Posted 2009-03-16 6:22 AM (#30297 - in reply to #30290)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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Do NOT go by 4.5 or 5 qts. Go by the full line on the dipstick. The quantities stated are only for a guideline as in any vehicle. I suggest you put in 4 qts and then continue checking as you add a little. Remember the oil needs to be between the the low and high level on the dipstick, it does not have to be exactly at the high level.
The only level place I have to check my oil is my front sidewalk. Variables like this is why they give you high and low marks.
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VaParadox
Posted 2009-03-16 8:40 AM (#30300 - in reply to #30272)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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after my oil change, to be green, i collect the old oil in the drain pan, take it into the house, fill the fryer and cook me up some
deep fried chicken. i tell everyone its blackened because of the color but lemme tell you that breading sticks to the bird like gum under a cheap diner table. thats some goooooood eatin.. oh yeah, and the filter i put in my coffee maker so i can strain me some
grounds out so my cup o joe has no grit.
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varyder
Posted 2009-03-16 1:27 PM (#30313 - in reply to #30297)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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BlueOx USA - 2009-03-16 6:22 AM Do NOT go by 4.5 or 5 qts. Go by the full line on the dipstick. The quantities stated are only for a guideline as in any vehicle. I suggest you put in 4 qts and then continue checking as you add a little. Remember the oil needs to be between the the low and high level on the dipstick, it does not have to be exactly at the high level. The only level place I have to check my oil is my front sidewalk. Variables like this is why they give you high and low marks.

I concur with you blueox, just for the record, you are correct. My habit has become what I describe above and hold all liability for my actions.

In the 34 years of changing my own oil, I did pretty much like I described on all my vehicles and only had it bite me once. That was because of a defective filter on my Jeep, when I got done changing the oil and buttoning everything down, I didn't run it until the following morning on the way to work, a fifty mile trek at the time. About 30 miles into it I noticed a racket and then the oil light came on. I stopped to see a stream of oil running out of the edge of the filter. Long story short, I never changed my oil again without running first and checking for leaks. But back to the Vision, after changing my oil for the sixth time adding the 4 1/2 quarts and to check the level and it is at or just below the full mark I haven't bothered checking it the last 5 or six times, except right before I change it.

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wjoel
Posted 2009-03-16 9:36 PM (#30341 - in reply to #30272)
Subject: RE: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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Just what I thought on the 4.5 qts. I took out a 1/2 qt. to bring it to between the L & F marks.
Thanks for the feedback !
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2009-03-16 11:11 PM (#30354 - in reply to #30272)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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So far each oil change i have done with a New oil filter the bike took exactly 4.5 qts to reach my full mark on my oil dip stick that reads the oil temps..
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cjnoho
Posted 2009-03-20 10:34 PM (#30617 - in reply to #30272)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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I changed my own oil this time around. Dealers and prices are too far away and too expensive. They have been overfilling. Purolator oil filter $3, local m/c shop carries Castrol 20-40 $6 a quart. Noticed an improvement in my gear indicator with the correct oil level. Its not perfect, but now I know DW (on this forum) is correct in his diagnosis of the bolt on the shift drum, in the primary. Just a matter of time till I convince my dealer.
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Boots
Posted 2011-06-09 9:15 PM (#88482 - in reply to #30617)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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Well, while changing the oil today I had a bunch of guys hanging out, asking questions, marveling at the bike, and I lost track and put in 5qts vs 4.5. Am on a trip, so was a real hassle changing it, and would be pretty tough to take out that extra half quart. Would have to basically drive out in a field and guesstimate approx 1/2 qt onto the ground. With 15k on the bike, I would think it is pretty tight and would not hurt to run 2.5k until the next change.
Opinions?
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Dain
Posted 2011-06-09 11:33 PM (#88499 - in reply to #30272)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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Don't run the bike overfilled. Here is what you do, take a razorblade or sharp knife and cut an empty qt bottle in half and slowly remove the plug and just as its about to come out (hold it tight) have the bottle toward the front and as you remove it the rest of the way tilt the oil plug toward the back and fill the bottle that way. Or you can use the same bottle and start to loosen the bolt and if it starts dripping fast before the plug comes out let it fill the bottle that way but don't run it overfilled.
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donetracey
Posted 2011-06-10 2:13 AM (#88501 - in reply to #30272)
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Scary.
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2011-06-10 5:40 AM (#88503 - in reply to #30272)
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On my 2008 vision 4.5 is Always right at the full mark. I dont even check it anymore to make sure.
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kris1956
Posted 2011-06-10 6:42 AM (#88505 - in reply to #30272)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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I check mine but it's always dead on at 4.5
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Cap'n Nemo
Posted 2011-06-10 6:55 AM (#88507 - in reply to #88503)
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Arkainzeye - 2011-06-10 5:40 AM

On my 2008 vision 4.5 is Always right at the full mark. I dont even check it anymore to make sure.


Si'

May suggest though, to take it to a harley friends house and drain the excess in his driveway, he'll never know the difference.

Edited by Cap'n Nemo 2011-06-10 6:58 AM
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Handyhoward
Posted 2011-06-10 7:40 AM (#88511 - in reply to #30272)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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For those who accidentally overfill the oil... turkey basters at Walsmart are like a $buck or so and work extremely well to remove the exact amount of oil to bring the level to the right amount. Well, OK, they only work as well as the turkey using them!
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Boots
Posted 2011-06-10 8:10 AM (#88512 - in reply to #88511)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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[Handyhoward - 2011-06-10 6:40 AM

For those who accidentally overfill the oil... turkey basters at Walsmart are like a $buck or so and work extremely well to remove the exact amount of oil to bring the level to the right amount. Well, OK, they only work as well as the turkey using them!


There's what I was looking for - Thanks!

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DannyB
Posted 2011-06-10 12:31 PM (#88529 - in reply to #88511)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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Handyhoward - 2011-06-10 7:40 AM For those who accidentally overfill the oil... turkey basters at Walsmart are like a $buck or so and work extremely well to remove the exact amount of oil to bring the level to the right amount. Well, OK, they only work as well as the turkey using them!

 

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DannyB
Posted 2011-06-10 12:32 PM (#88530 - in reply to #30272)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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Hmmm... I notice no one pre-loads or pre-wets the filter?
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Handyhoward
Posted 2011-06-10 5:25 PM (#88550 - in reply to #88530)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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DannyB - 2011-06-10 12:32 PM

Hmmm... I notice no one pre-loads or pre-wets the filter?



No need to... there's oil enough left in the sump when you restart that you're not cranking dry... plus when you turn it on it's side to put it on oil drips no matter how quick and careful you may be... and sometimes when one gets in a hurry, cross threading is a result.
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Cap'n Nemo
Posted 2011-06-10 5:58 PM (#88553 - in reply to #88530)
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DannyB - 2011-06-10 12:32 PM

Hmmm... I notice no one pre-loads or pre-wets the filter?


pre-loading a filter is a personal choice. I have taken to doing it now for probably the last year or so. I fill it first, and let it soak in, dip my finger in the oil and then run a bead around the gasket. Because of the soaking, turning the filter on the side does not cause the oil to leak out in the time it takes to tighten. Since I'm a scrawny pastey dude cross threading has never been an issue.
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XRsteve
Posted 2011-06-10 6:57 PM (#88555 - in reply to #30272)
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Capt, I prefill my filter too. I also did this: it took two days but to me was worth it. Two oil changes ago I did the whole procedure and had the oil level perfect after a night cool down I measured it cold with the bike rsting on the kick stand. I then took a dremel tool and marked the level on the dip stick. Wala.... Now I don't have to measure it upright any more and it's perfect every time...............
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XRsteve
Posted 2011-06-10 6:57 PM (#88556 - in reply to #30272)
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Capt, I prefill my filter too. I also did this: it took two days but to me was worth it. Two oil changes ago I did the whole procedure and had the oil level and after a night cool down I measured it cold with the bike resting on the kick stand. I then took a dremel tool and marked the level on the dip stick. Wala.... Now I don't have to measure it upright any more and it's perfect every time...............

Edited by XRsteve 2011-06-10 6:59 PM
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donetracey
Posted 2011-06-10 7:19 PM (#88560 - in reply to #88556)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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XRsteve - 2011-06-10 4:57 PM Capt, I prefill my filter too. I also did this: it took two days but to me was worth it. Two oil changes ago I did the whole procedure and had the oil level and after a night cool down I measured it cold with the bike resting on the kick stand. I then took a dremel tool and marked the level on the dip stick. Wala.... Now I don't have to measure it upright any more and it's perfect every time...............

Really scary.

I will pass this along to my dealer to make sure they are doing it right ...

 

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baadawg
Posted 2011-06-10 7:39 PM (#88562 - in reply to #30272)
Subject: Re: Oil Change/ OilCapacity ?


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Anybody brave enough to bump the starter-without actually starting the engine- and get out a little extra oil? I heard of this from someone who rides a harley. He stated that it makes the people at the dealership cringe, but he gets out about 2 extra quarts of oil when he does this.
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Cap'n Nemo
Posted 2011-06-10 7:57 PM (#88563 - in reply to #88562)
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baadawg - 2011-06-10 7:39 PM

Anybody brave enough to bump the starter-without actually starting the engine- and get out a little extra oil? I heard of this from someone who rides a harley. He stated that it makes the people at the dealership cringe, but he gets out about 2 extra quarts of oil when he does this.


**puzzled**

And Michael Jackson is still living in Neverland with Elvis and Jack Kennedy.

Edited by Cap'n Nemo 2011-06-10 7:58 PM
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2011-06-11 5:32 AM (#88568 - in reply to #88562)
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baadawg - 2011-06-10 7:39 PM

Anybody brave enough to bump the starter-without actually starting the engine- and get out a little extra oil? I heard of this from someone who rides a harley. He stated that it makes the people at the dealership cringe, but he gets out about 2 extra quarts of oil when he does this.



What's the measured benefit over not doing this? ?
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handyhiker
Posted 2011-06-11 5:49 AM (#88569 - in reply to #30272)
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RhodeTrip
Posted 2011-06-11 6:04 AM (#88573 - in reply to #30272)
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If you change oil & filter at the recommended mileage why worry about a little residual. If a first time fill = 5 qts and any changes are 4.5 qts how much more could you really get out?

Jim
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baadawg
Posted 2011-06-11 6:28 AM (#88575 - in reply to #88573)
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RhodeTrip - 2011-06-11 7:04 AM If you change oil & filter at the recommended mileage why worry about a little residual. If a first time fill = 5 qts and any changes are 4.5 qts how much more could you really get out? Jim

Um, let me guess. Two and one third quarts of used oil. Now, that was a trick question. Seriously though, it sounds like based on the oiling system it isn't necessary, so I'd hate for anyone to do this with that in mind. I was just posing a question and now I have my answer. Thanks!

Now, I'm going to the dragon. Anyone else want to go?
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rainryder
Posted 2011-06-13 1:27 PM (#88730 - in reply to #30272)
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Okay...so what's the extra 1/2 qt. of oil going to do? Is it enough to blow something up? I mean, will there be splash due to the lack of a windage tray? There must be room in the sump for a measly extra half quart without causing any problems, right? And what's up with this 4 1/2 quart crap anyway? Does that translate to 5 liters or something? Why is everyone trying to make my life miserable? I just want to ride, is all. Drives me nuts! And a little top oils gotta be good, right? Keeps the sparkplugs from squeaking.
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Cap'n Nemo
Posted 2011-06-13 2:11 PM (#88735 - in reply to #30272)
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Well, yeah it could blow something up. Having overfilled oil on other type machinery it would have been just as damaging as to having no oil. The oil can work into a lather and not do the job it is suppose to do. I don't find out exactly would happen on my bike, but please let us know what it does to yours. Lubing the spark plugs is a maintenance tip Polaris forgot to tell us about.
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donetracey
Posted 2011-06-13 3:20 PM (#88740 - in reply to #30272)
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Don't be silly.
If the engineers designed an engine that could be overfilled with oil - then they knew that - and made sure the design could NOT be abused - resulting in lubricated spark plugs. Have some faith, 'eh? ____ oh Ye of Little Faith

I believe two things that enable me to enjoy my riding without EVER checking the oil:
1. No oil on the ground under the bike = no oil leaks
2. New bikes don't 'burn' enough oil between changes to be a problem

AND THIS WORKS (AND HAS WORKED FOR 30 YEARS) FOR ME ! (before that - I wasted my time checking it often)

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iluvink
Posted 2011-06-13 4:17 PM (#88746 - in reply to #30272)
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Wait a minute...doesn't this all depend upon what type, either dino, full syn or semi syn oil, along with the weight of the oil, and brand? Some would say that full syn takes of less capacity space and but is thinner. Also semi-syn is thicker, so maybe that makes a difference...now for the brand difference...then there's the oil weight...how many miles between changes..
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XRsteve
Posted 2011-06-13 4:23 PM (#88747 - in reply to #30272)
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Oh-No..............
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rainryder
Posted 2011-06-13 5:41 PM (#88756 - in reply to #30272)
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