Muth Prototype signal mirror
slowryder
Posted 2009-01-06 8:13 PM (#26210)
Subject: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 106
L.I., N.Y.
Congrats people your interest, emails, calls, hits to the trunk and mirror signal threads has started Muth Mirrors working on a prototype signal mirrors. Sue Kohls at skokls@muthco.com just emailed me a link. Sorry I'm still not that good at copy/paste addresses so I put up the the address where the prototype photos are. The photos are on facebook.com/pages/Sheboygan-WI/Muth-Mirror-Systems/40489901446 Thanks and Keep it up guys and gals, in unity we succeed.
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bigwill5150
Posted 2009-01-06 9:26 PM (#26214 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Iron Butt

Posts: 725
Reno County, KS
How bright are these LED's? Will they blind you in the dark? Someone around here mentioned having these on their GW.
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Chandler Tom
Posted 2009-01-06 10:08 PM (#26217 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 89
Chandler, AZ
cool...
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Lotzafun
Posted 2009-01-06 11:20 PM (#26224 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: RE: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL

 

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spursmvp
Posted 2009-01-06 11:34 PM (#26227 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Tourer

Posts: 377
O'Neill, Nebraska
Do we know when they might be available? Thanks for a great job.
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V spot
Posted 2009-01-07 12:38 PM (#26243 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 123
Marysville Washngton
Well...dang it...another thing to add to the must have list
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radioteacher
Posted 2009-01-07 3:09 PM (#26252 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
When can I get a set and for how much?

Ride On!
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Uncle Dave
Posted 2009-01-07 3:31 PM (#26253 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 21
London, KY
The link...looks great. UD http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1670754&id=40489901446&ref=mf...
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Wizard523
Posted 2009-01-07 5:46 PM (#26264 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Tourer

Posts: 506
Woodland Hills, CA
I would be interested to know availability and cost as well.
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VisionNWRider
Posted 2009-01-07 10:51 PM (#26298 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Iron Butt

Posts: 639
Tri Cities, WA
I also would like to know cost and when they become available...
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bigwill5150
Posted 2009-01-08 12:25 AM (#26303 - in reply to #26214)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Iron Butt

Posts: 725
Reno County, KS
Evidently so. The only difference I can spot right away (aside from the water spotting stains left on the OEM mirror) is that the Muth mirror is not polarized. Imagine that. Prove me wrong and I'll buy it!
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g1nomad
Posted 2009-01-08 2:02 PM (#26340 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Tourer

Posts: 562
SC, Bluffton
I am intereasted as well. For the Goldwing too. They come in regular & blue glass for the Goldwing. The blue glass option reduces night time glare and costs a little more.

Herb
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devilboy
Posted 2009-01-14 11:40 AM (#26650 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: RE: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 296
Central Florida
Hey Guys, I have been speaking to Sue at Muth Mirrors on a regular basis.
She has given me a instruction sheet for installation. I offered to be Guinea pig for initial set.
Cost will be same $219 as GW BUT she did express an interest in offering a group buy at 15% off plus free shipping. There is definitely some dremmel work involved. Someone else emailed her about sending mirrors in and having the glass installed on your mirror back.This would involve additional shipping(both ways) and a labor charge of approx $30...Below is "instructions"
you can post your thoughts here. She thought the first set would be ready before the month was out.

Suggested Steps for installation of Signal® Mirrors on Victory Vision.
Please note your motorcycle may differ from the information and it is your responsibility to modify the steps
if needed.
Warranty does not cover damage to the vehicle or mirror housing due to improper installation. Muth Mirror
Systems, LLC (MMS) assumes no responsibility with regard to the accuracy of this information. MMS
assumes no liability or responsibility resulting from improper installation, even in reliance upon this
information. Proper installation is the responsibility of the installer. It is your responsibility to verify any
circuit before interfacing with it using a digital multimeter.
Safety glasses and gloves are recommended for this installation
Tools needed:
A. Voltmeter (to test the wiring)
B. Dremel-type cutting tool
C. See owner's manual for any additional tools needed to remove the access panel and mirror
D. Wire cutter (to cut the harness to length)
E. Pliers (to make the connections with the supplied wire taps)
F. Heat Gun
G. Plastic pry tools (to remove the original glass from the backing plate)
H. Tape (to hold the glass together in the event it breaks during removal)
I. Marker (to mark the area for the cut out feature)
J. Cleaners (to remove any adhesive residue and Isopropyl Alcohol to remove any oils and such)
K. Your Smile
Installation steps:
1. Per owner's manual, remove windshield access panel Tools C
2. Remove mirror glass assembly Tools C
3. Apply tape to the mirror glass (this will hold the pieces together if the glass breaks in the next step)
Tools H
4. Heat up the mirror glass area to loosen the adhesive holding the mirror glass to the backing plate
Tools F
5. Work the glass free from the backing plate using a plastic (to prevent damage to the backing plate
edges) pry tool ( a guitar pick works well to start the process) Tools G
6. Mark the area and cut out the backing plate where the optic module is located on your new Signal®
Mirror Tools B Tools I
7. Test fit the Signal® Mirror to assure it fits properly in the backing plate
8. Clean the backing plate area where the glass is located to assure there is no residue from the original
glass and to assure it is substance-free (oils, grease and the like) Isopropyl Alcohol is recommend
Tools J
9. Using the supplied PSA, adhere the Signal® Mirror to the backing plate by pressing firmly in the
areas which have the PSA (ideally, allow the PSA to cure a few hours before the next step)
10. Reinstall the new Signal Mirror® assembly reversing the process used to remove it Tools C
11. Identify the turn indicator and ground wire using a voltmeter at the front light found opposite the
mirror Tools A
12. Using the supplied harness, connect the harness to the Signal® Mirror plug, cut the harness to
desired length and tap the ground wire to the black wire and the "hot" turn indicator wire to the red
(or black with red trace) wire Tools D Tools E
13. Test the new Signal® Mirror by activating the turn indicator
14. Finish re-assembling the motorcycle by reversing the process used to disassemble it Tools C
15. Enjoy your new Signal® Mirrors! Tools K
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radioteacher
Posted 2009-01-14 2:57 PM (#26664 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Visionary

Posts: 3006
San Antonio, TX
Looks like one can never keep up! I will order them as soon as I can.

Ride Safe!
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Lotzafun
Posted 2009-01-14 4:25 PM (#26673 - in reply to #26650)
Subject: RE: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Iron Butt

Posts: 935
Rockford, IL

devilboy - 2009-01-14 10:40 AM ..... 4. Heat up the mirror glass area to loosen the adhesive holding the mirror glass to the backing plate Tools F ...

I've taken apart tons of mirrors. You can't use too much heat. The more heat the better. While a standard hair dryer may work I do strongly recommend using a heat gun. It will make the task much easier. Many heat guns have a "stand" so you can set it on a bench and move the mirror rather than needing to manuver both the mirror and the heat gun at the same time. You want to actually get the glass so hot that its almost to hot to touch/handle, use gloves or a towell to handle the glass. TAKE YOUR TIME....TAKE YOUR TIME....TAKE YOUR TIME. If you rush this procedure you will very likely end up with a cracked mirror glass.

devilboy - 2009-01-14 10:40  5. Work the glass free from the backing plate using a plastic (to prevent damage to the backing plate edges) pry tool ( a guitar pick works well to start the process) Tools G

I usually use one of those disposable plastic knifes you can get at almost any fast food place. You want something long flat and thin, but a rounded tip. I start with the tip to get it started and the use the "broad" part of the knife to keep going. Do NOT use a screwdriver, you will crack the glass. And again....TAKE YOUR TIME. Its a multi-step process, get the glass hot and pry a bit and get the glass hot and pry a bit and get the glass hot and so on....

 



Edited by Lotzafun 2009-01-14 4:26 PM
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devilboy
Posted 2009-01-14 5:41 PM (#26683 - in reply to #26673)
Subject: RE: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 296
Central Florida
Lotzafun - 2009-01-14 4:25 PM

devilboy - 2009-01-14 10:40 AM ..... 4. Heat up the mirror glass area to loosen the adhesive holding the mirror glass to the backing plate Tools F ...

I've taken apart tons of mirrors. You can't use too much heat. The more heat the better. While a standard hair dryer may work I do strongly recommend using a heat gun. It will make the task much easier. Many heat guns have a "stand" so you can set it on a bench and move the mirror rather than needing to manuver both the mirror and the heat gun at the same time. You want to actually get the glass so hot that its almost to hot to touch/handle, use gloves or a towell to handle the glass. TAKE YOUR TIME....TAKE YOUR TIME....TAKE YOUR TIME. If you rush this procedure you will very likely end up with a cracked mirror glass.

devilboy - 2009-01-14 10:40  5. Work the glass free from the backing plate using a plastic (to prevent damage to the backing plate edges) pry tool ( a guitar pick works well to start the process) Tools G

I usually use one of those disposable plastic knifes you can get at almost any fast food place. You want something long flat and thin, but a rounded tip. I start with the tip to get it started and the use the "broad" part of the knife to keep going. Do NOT use a screwdriver, you will crack the glass. And again....TAKE YOUR TIME. Its a multi-step process, get the glass hot and pry a bit and get the glass hot and pry a bit and get the glass hot and so on....

 



I get it! Take your time! That is so Hard for me with lack of impulse control
I sent her pages from shop manual and digital pix of mirrors and dash area.
I am more tenacious than handy when it comes to this stuff. Sue said I was the only one who she has actually spoken to. The worst I think I can do is crack the old glass!
The connections for turn signals are right behind mirror and electric draw is minimal.
I would still like any and all opinions on this and I will let you know how this goes.


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dr_reloader
Posted 2009-01-15 7:56 PM (#26768 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Tourer

Posts: 537
, FL United States
I like this.
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SongFan
Posted 2009-01-15 8:22 PM (#26771 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: RE: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

If you go to the Muth website, they also offer a brake module that lights up both mirrors when the brakes are applied and flashes the side associated with the turn signal while the other side stays steadily lit.  $39.  http://www.muthco.com/products/kits/200-0117.htm  This Vision mirror is not listed specifically yet.

Thanks to you guys who have made this happen.  It will be my first electrical mod.

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devilboy
Posted 2009-01-15 8:28 PM (#26772 - in reply to #26771)
Subject: RE: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 296
Central Florida
SongFan - 2009-01-15 8:22 PM

If you go to the Muth website, they also offer a brake module that lights up both mirrors when the brakes are applied and flashes the side associated with the turn signal while the other side stays steadily lit.  $39.  http://www.muthco.com/products/kits/200-0117.htm  This Vision mirror is not listed specifically yet.

Thanks to you guys who have made this happen.  It will be my first electrical mod.


Tom, Vision Mirror is not listed yet. After the prototype kit is sent out to me and I finish install
I will give them my feedback. If it is a go, I will ask for a group buy-in as mentioned previously...
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dr_reloader
Posted 2009-01-15 8:31 PM (#26773 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Tourer

Posts: 537
, FL United States
Group buy in sounds good.
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SongFan
Posted 2009-01-15 8:33 PM (#26774 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: RE: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Visionary

Posts: 3204
Memphis

Thanks Marc,

I'm all in for a blue glass kit with the brake module.  Not that I'm assuming anything.....

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Gadget
Posted 2009-01-18 7:08 PM (#26970 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 146
Thanks to all who had a hand in making this happen.......I'm "ALL-IN"...
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Wizard523
Posted 2009-01-21 12:51 AM (#27184 - in reply to #26772)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Tourer

Posts: 506
Woodland Hills, CA
I'd be up for this as well.
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Gadget
Posted 2009-01-27 7:47 PM (#27718 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 146
Any NEW news on how this test installation is going & when the kit/pricing might be available for purchase??
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spursmvp
Posted 2009-01-27 11:25 PM (#27726 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Tourer

Posts: 377
O'Neill, Nebraska
Count me in as well.
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devilboy
Posted 2009-01-30 7:23 AM (#27906 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: RE: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 296
Central Florida
prototype set up should be shipping today!
I was out of town for a week so they held them up.
I will take pix of kit and install
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superfreak
Posted 2009-02-09 11:50 PM (#27967 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 33
Myrtle Beach,SC.
I am very excited to see them !!! Please post right away. Thanks
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Nomad
Posted 2009-02-10 6:23 AM (#27975 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 11
Portland, OR
count me in.....
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devilboy
Posted 2009-02-13 6:56 AM (#28202 - in reply to #27975)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 296
Central Florida
Got my set monday!
I had to leave 4 am tuesday am for a business trip.
I started taking apart bike in prep of installation.
I have pix of what I have done so far and it should be done tonight or sometime sat.
Parts and instructions are TOP Notch
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dr_reloader
Posted 2009-02-13 10:17 AM (#28213 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Tourer

Posts: 537
, FL United States
cool
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Gadget
Posted 2009-02-13 10:55 PM (#28251 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 146
Can't wait to see them on your bike.....and am interested to know your installation times and level of difficulty. Have you thought about possibly documenting the process and posting the installation instructions in the "Tech Help"??
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devilboy
Posted 2009-02-14 12:25 AM (#28255 - in reply to #28251)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 296
Central Florida
Gadget - 2009-02-13 10:55 PM

Can't wait to see them on your bike.....and am interested to know your installation times and level of difficulty. Have you thought about possibly documenting the process and posting the installation instructions in the "Tech Help"??


yes I will be doing pix and helpful hints as I go through install.
Helped a bud move his daughter tonight JUST got home, no time to play!!

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Gadget
Posted 2009-02-14 8:50 AM (#28257 - in reply to #26210)
Subject: Re: Muth Prototype signal mirror


Cruiser

Posts: 146
yes I will be doing pix and helpful hints as I go through install.
Helped a bud move his daughter tonight JUST got home, no time to play!!


Thanks devilboy.......Look forward to it...

Gadget
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