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Posts: 639 Tri Cities, WA | Here is a picture of my new Gloss black Rims for my vision. I found them on e-bay for a kick butt price and won the auction. I think they will look real good on my Black new ride. I plan to send my stock rims on my bike now down to get chromed when i install these new bad boys. If I like them enough to keep them on it then i will if not then i will swap them out with the chrome ones when I need some new rubber.
Chuck
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Posts: 89 Chandler, AZ | cool... |
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Posts: 965 New York State | I can see buying a front rim but the rear seems like a waste of funds |
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| You got those from Randy's Cycles in Huntley, Illinois. I just purchased a similar set from him except that on mine they left the bead area of the rim the stock color with black everywhere else. It would be a great time to add a 90 degree valve stem, at least to the rear wheel. |
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Posts: 600 Linwood, MI | Trekwolf164 - 2008-12-20 2:35 PM
I can see buying a front rim but the rear seems like a waste of funds
Not really. It all depends on how you have your bike set up. For instance, I'm, errr... well... a big, fat biker and I ride with a passenger a lot, so my rear shock is pumped up pretty far. This exposes a lot of the rear wheel, especially when on the stand. If ever got a different front rim, I'd definitely have to get a rear one to match. |
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Posts: 296 Central Florida | Travelin' Man - 2008-12-20 2:44 PM
You got those from Randy's Cycles in Huntley, Illinois. I just purchased a similar set from him except that on mine they left the bead area of the rim the stock color with black everywhere else. It would be a great time to add a 90 degree valve stem, at least to the rear wheel.
DO NOT ADD 90 DEGREE VALVE STEM. IT CAUSED FLATS ON BOTH OF MY TIRES.
Centrifugal force causes stress to rubber part of valve stem and I had failures on both. Different angles and forces on auto tires....
front tire went first, had it towed to dealer.
1 month later rear went. I had my portable airpump and duct tape and was able to ride the 70 miles home by ductaping stem at angle where very little air leaked out. Every 20 miles or so I stopped and refilled tire. had a new valve stem put in after dealer inspected tire.
a word to the wise...................................
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Posts: 721
| devilboy - 2008-12-20 3:21 PM Travelin' Man - 2008-12-20 2:44 PM You got those from Randy's Cycles in Huntley, Illinois. I just purchased a similar set from him except that on mine they left the bead area of the rim the stock color with black everywhere else. It would be a great time to add a 90 degree valve stem, at least to the rear wheel. DO NOT ADD 90 DEGREE VALVE STEM. IT CAUSED FLATS ON BOTH OF MY TIRES. Centrifugal force causes stress to rubber part of valve stem and I had failures on both. Different angles and forces on auto tires.... front tire went first, had it towed to dealer. 1 month later rear went. I had my portable airpump and duct tape and was able to ride the 70 miles home by ductaping stem at angle where very little air leaked out. Every 20 miles or so I stopped and refilled tire. had a new valve stem put in after dealer inspected tire. a word to the wise................................... Your experience was out of the norm if you used a high quality valve stem. I know of dozens of riders using the chromed steel 90 degree valve stems that have ridden millions, yes, millions of miles with absolutely no problem. You must have used the cheap 90 degree valve stems that just "pop" into the rim opening, the good 90 degree valve stems have locking jam nuts on the inside that make it where the valve stem cannot flex and therefore the rubber cannot wear due to movement or as you call it "centrifugal force". Here is a link to where I get mine from: http://www.prestigewheel.com/Image2994.asp
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Posts: 296 Central Florida | Travelin' Man - 2008-12-20 6:15 PM
devilboy - 2008-12-20 3:21 PM Travelin' Man - 2008-12-20 2:44 PM You got those from Randy's Cycles in Huntley, Illinois. I just purchased a similar set from him except that on mine they left the bead area of the rim the stock color with black everywhere else. It would be a great time to add a 90 degree valve stem, at least to the rear wheel. DO NOT ADD 90 DEGREE VALVE STEM. IT CAUSED FLATS ON BOTH OF MY TIRES. Centrifugal force causes stress to rubber part of valve stem and I had failures on both. Different angles and forces on auto tires.... front tire went first, had it towed to dealer. 1 month later rear went. I had my portable airpump and duct tape and was able to ride the 70 miles home by ductaping stem at angle where very little air leaked out. Every 20 miles or so I stopped and refilled tire. had a new valve stem put in after dealer inspected tire. a word to the wise................................... Your experience was out of the norm if you used a high quality valve stem. I know of dozens of riders using the chromed steel 90 degree valve stems that have ridden millions, yes, millions of miles with absolutely no problem. You must have used the cheap 90 degree valve stems that just "pop" into the rim opening, the good 90 degree valve stems have locking jam nuts on the inside that make it where the valve stem cannot flex and therefore the rubber cannot wear due to movement or as you call it "centrifugal force". Here is a link to where I get mine from: http://www.prestigewheel.com/Image2994.asp
I had them done at a professional non branded cycle shop. I guess they were either cheap or improperly installed.
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Posts: 935 Rockford, IL | I seen these on Ebay. They are very sweet looking. And pretty much defintely the route I'm going with my Vision. However I'm debating a slight variation of solid black though. Not real sure what other type of look I might like, I'm thinking about some type of red or gray "accent" to them.
Kinda hate to risk hurting a bit of your sunshine here but I'm not so sure if I would say the price you paid was a "kick butt" price. Reason I say this is because when these were listed I checked with two local places that do powdercoating. They both quoted that it would run about $85.00 to $100.00 per wheel. After shipping you paid about $150.00 per wheel. But then again you did get bearings and spacers in your deal. Not sure what bearings and spacers run from Victory. And you also now have an extra set of wheels. So depending on which way its looked at you perhaps did get these wheels for a decent price. Who knows.....
Who are you going to have chrome your stock wheels? Happen to get a quote to do them yet? I've also slightly debated the chrome route but I think if I'm going to lay out $$$ for chrome I will probably go with a set of aftermarket wheels. |
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Posts: 639 Tri Cities, WA | Travelin' Man - 2008-12-20 11:44 AM
You got those from Randy's Cycles in Huntley, Illinois. I just purchased a similar set from him except that on mine they left the bead area of the rim the stock color with black everywhere else. It would be a great time to add a 90 degree valve stem, at least to the rear wheel.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing a 90 deg valve stem for them both. make life alittle eaiser i agree. Cant wait to mount them. |
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Posts: 639 Tri Cities, WA | Lotzafun - 2008-12-20 4:06 PM
I seen these on Ebay. They are very sweet looking. And pretty much defintely the route I'm going with my Vision. However I'm debating a slight variation of solid black though. Not real sure what other type of look I might like, I'm thinking about some type of red or gray "accent" to them.
Kinda hate to risk hurting a bit of your sunshine here but I'm not so sure if I would say the price you paid was a "kick butt" price. Reason I say this is because when these were listed I checked with two local places that do powdercoating. They both quoted that it would run about $85.00 to $100.00 per wheel. After shipping you paid about $150.00 per wheel. But then again you did get bearings and spacers in your deal. Not sure what bearings and spacers run from Victory. And you also now have an extra set of wheels. So depending on which way its looked at you perhaps did get these wheels for a decent price. Who knows.....
Who are you going to have chrome your stock wheels? Happen to get a quote to do them yet? I've also slightly debated the chrome route but I think if I'm going to lay out $$$ for chrome I will probably go with a set of aftermarket wheels.
I am having my local dealer chrome them for me so where the send them to be done not sure but i think it's in cali some where., but not 100% sure. No quote yet. It's been snowing here so everything has kinda stoped at the moment. You are right it will be nice to have an axtra set of rims to try stuff with. After markets are spendy for sure, so I thought this would be good alternative for my bike with these Black rims I got for $324.00 to my door. Just can wait to mount these rims |
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Posts: 1340 Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Lotzafun - 2008-12-20 7:06 PM
Kinda hate to risk hurting a bit of your sunshine here but I'm not so sure if I would say the price you paid was a "kick butt" price. Reason I say this is because when these were listed I checked with two local places that do powdercoating. They both quoted that it would run about $85.00 to $100.00 per wheel. After shipping you paid about $150.00 per wheel. But then again you did get bearings and spacers in your deal. Not sure what bearings and spacers run from Victory.
You forget that when powdercoating the bearings NEED to be replaced, and also the down time involved. Hell a pair of untouched STOCK wheels for $300 is a good deal |
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Posts: 935 Rockford, IL | VisionNWRider - 2008-12-20 8:19 PM I am having my local dealer chrome them for me so where the send them to be done not sure but i think it's in cali some where., but not 100% sure. No quote yet. It's been snowing here so everything has kinda stoped at the moment. You are right it will be nice to have an axtra set of rims to try stuff with. After markets are spendy for sure, so I thought this would be good alternative for my bike with these Black rims I got for $324.00 to my door. Just can wait to mount these rims Why you going with the local dealer? I know you probably trust them and all...but why not cut out the proverbial "middle-man" and find a chrome shop yourself? Probably save a decent amount of dough. That is unless your dealer is cool enough to have you only pay invoice plus shipping, or perhaps a fair small mark-up. I mean...all the dealer is going to do is pack the wheels, call the chrome shop, ship the wheels, wait for them to get shipped back, call you and tell you they are in and collect the money from you. This doesn't take much of the dealers labor to do this, maybe 30-45 minutes total. I do believe in doing business with those who have treated you good in the past, loyalty is important. But....so is a $dollar$ too. Its a balance between loyalty and the $$$. I definetley would not automatically turn them over to a dealer without at least getting a quote from a chrome shop in the region so then you have something to compare with. But then again....its your wheels....so its your rules Ask some local custom car guys. They will know any and all chrome shops in your whole region. They will know who is good bad and otherwise. Heck, might be a decent chrome shop within a short drive, save you some major shipping costs. As you have alread discovered...shipping two wheels one-way is pricey...imagine what shipping those two wheels round-trip is gonna run ya kevinx - 2008-12-20 9:05 PM You forget that when powdercoating the bearings NEED to be replaced, and also the down time involved. Hell a pair of untouched STOCK wheels for $300 is a good deal The bearings can't be R&I (remove/reinstalled)? They must be replaced? Any ballpark idea how much they run for each wheel? |
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Posts: 74 MN. | I can't wait to see these on your bike. I am not a huge fan of the wheel itself, but have often wondered how they would look painted. Pics as soon as you can! |
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Posts: 296 Central Florida | I have had a black powder coated front wheel on for 10K. I think it looks great!
I havent done rear yet. We have no down time as far as weather so I am always reluctant to take bike out of service. |
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Posts: 1340 Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | "The bearings can't be R&I (remove/reinstalled)? They must be replaced? Any ballpark idea how much they run for each wheel?"
There isa no way to get the bearings out without damaging them. Realistically even if I could the cost of replacing the bearings is easily justified by the cost of potential failure. American, or Israeli bearings can be had for about $12 each. The Taiwan bearings used by Vic are about $20 each |
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Posts: 1158 Richmond, Virginia | Our dealer here did a really awesome blacked out wheel with the leading edge of each blade chromed I dont have any pics because the bike went out, but it was awesome between the chrome leading edge of the blade and the center cylinder being chrome. |
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Posts: 639 Tri Cities, WA | I had my dealer look up what a stock replacement rim would be for our visions. They showed me the price and for what I paid for both of these black rims and shipping doesnt even cover the price of ONE stock rim from vic. So yeah I think I did well.
Hmm the reason I'm having my local dealer take care of the chroming is one they only charge me invoice plus shipping becasue they know they will get the service ticket to put them on for me so it's a win win for everyone. Plus I'm very loyal to those who take care of me and my vision. They are also sending down my stock Bezel/dash I took off to be blacked chromed and my rear tip overs to be chromed out of California. So I may just have them send everything at once to save on shipping cost. If we had a local chromer here I would go to them but we live in a smaller city so it' has to go out of the area to be done. |
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Posts: 639 Tri Cities, WA | devilboy - 2008-12-21 5:00 AM
I have had a black powder coated front wheel on for 10K. I think it looks great!
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Would love to see a pic of it on your bike???? |
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Posts: 296 Central Florida | VisionNWRider - 2008-12-21 12:39 PM
devilboy - 2008-12-21 5:00 AM
I have had a black powder coated front wheel on for 10K. I think it looks great!
Would love to see a pic of it on your bike????
Here you go!
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| The black wheels look good. As long as you, the person that paid for them is happy with the price, that's all that matters.
Getting chrome done through your local dealer may be what's right for you. With all the stuff you have done to your bike he is most likely making it right for you. Kind of like when I have Advanced Plating in Nashville do my chrome and pay top dollar, of course they do top dollar chroming.
I hope to see your bike some day when it's all done but I have a feeling you will always find something more. |
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Posts: 639 Tri Cities, WA | Thanks BlueOx. Your right I will always be doing some thing new to my ride. I love making it just mine. But there 's always a little voice in my head that says if I wanted to sell my ride would somebody want to buy it based on what I have done. My last ride went fast based on what i did to it so i always try and keep that in mind as well.
Devil boy thanks for hte image. i really like what you have done. I like the rotors black with red floating pins. I'm going for a black/chrome Red color look for my bike as well. |
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Posts: 1290 Ruskin, Fl | Finally had the wheels powder coated black. Needed new rubber so it only made sense. $200 bucks and I had the pully and belt guard done too. I'll take some photos with a real camera soon.
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Posts: 3006 San Antonio, TX | Looks great! Someday my wheels will be black.
Ride Safe |
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Posts: 99 Kansas City, Ks | Really dig the black wheels!! It makes me wonder what the price of the Vision 8-ball's wheels will be? |
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Posts: 639 Tri Cities, WA | Well still have not intsalled them. The reason why is a few weeks back i was in my garage and accidentally knocked over the new front black rim and from what i cant tell they were NOT powerder coated black but painted black. Becasue when it just fell over and the whole side started to chip away im pretty sure that powder coatings dont just chip/flake off. I'm no powder coating expert so I really couldnt tell the difference when they came because they looked good. So I guess the guy who sold them to me was not honest at all and lied in his e-bay add. Damn it! I may have to get them redone or maybe i will just get them chromed. Not sure now what i will do. I'm just little miffed at being ripped off. Hell i may just sell them as is too. |
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Posts: 1436
| Travelin, it is actually a very well documented and known problem with 90 degree stems on bike wheels causing flats. Even the very good high quality metal w/seals have been found to have caused flats. As mentioned by the previous poster I would not recommend their installation on any bike. Just thought I'd toss this out since there appears to be some disagreement.... in any case folks will do what they will, ride safe....... T |
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| Teach, I respect what you are saying, except I have never seen the "well documented" as you say facts. One fact that stands out is that Honda has been using 90 degree valve stems on the Goldwing since 1987 and the only failures that are documented are from bikes where the owner either took off the support or the support was lost during a tire change. I have been riding with motorcycle touring clubs and associations since '94 and within the clubs and local chapters I have ridden with there has NEVER been one incident of a 90 valve stem failure. This brings the chance of something going wrong with a properly installed and maintained 90 valve stem into the same chance of getting struck by lightning or winning the lottery. I personally have over 300,000 miles on bikes with both the supported 90 degree valve stem and with the bent, bolted in type and I have NEVER had a failure or a problem of any kind. Some people get it in their heads when they read something on an internet forum such as this and they believe it without ever having had ANY EXPERIENCE with what is being discussed. Everything aside I would greatly appreciate you posting a link(s) to any "well documented" failures that are not based on an internet discussion thread.
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| Travelin since you mentioned Honda's specifically I picked this link, but there are many others: http://www.ridetexoma.com/Safety/GL1800ValveStemALERT.html
In addition to rubber 90 degree stem failures numerous metal 90's have a history of failure due to oxidation and corrosion issues. Newer aluminum 90's are currently available which are lower profile but again the dissimilar metals will cause corrosion issues and result in a potential risk. We won't even mention the potential for breaking a low profile aluminum 90 on any number of road hazards.
You hit on one of the issues when you mentioned the 90's with supports, but the issue goes beyond centrifugal force. I have NO interest in arguing this matter with you, or any other. You will run what you like and please do, but as you stated when you make a recommendation folks will get it in their heads this is a good thing, after all you are an experienced rider and everything on the internet is true. So they will take your advice and their inexperience right to the grave.
For the record 2 Goldwings with over 120k each, one Sportster 127k, one Suzi LC 40k, one RG 140k, another w/10k (only had it 5 months) and a Vision with over 20k.... all straight stems, never a tire failure.... those are just the bikes since 96. Miles ridden without failure doesn't mean you won't get bit, it just means you've been fortunate so far. Ride safe my friend....... T |
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