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Centennial, CO | Hey all,
Well, I had to use them over the weekend for an extended period of time (a little over 2 hours). I turned them off but didn't have enough juice to start the bike which made an already bad day just that much worse. 
Anyone have any idea how long you can let them blink in the ACC key position before you lose the ability to start the bike.
OH...can you push start the Vision? I don't think so...and I am not going to try...but I am curious. |
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Linwood, MI | ElroyJ - 2008-11-04 4:45 PM
OH...can you push start the Vision? I don't think so...and I am not going to try...but I am curious.
I haven't tried to push start the Vision, but you should be able to. I've push started my Kingping before. |
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Iron Butt
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Reno County, KS | Despite what I've heard on one of these threads I am sure you can. I accidently killed the engine on the freeway by bumping the switch on the throttle. When I realized why it was coasting I flipped the switch back on and the bike fired back up. I don't know of any other interlocks that would prevent it at low speeds and I've combed through the owners manual pretty well. It should be pretty easy if you're near an incline and can coast down. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Argh! I knew this would happen. The battery doesn't do well past a few minutes of ACC time, so I would have just pushed it away from the road knowing this to keep from making the bad situation worse. Fortunetly, I've only done this in my DRIVEWAY. With the '84 Goldwing I did a thousand times since the charging system was gone and I rode on a freshly charge battery locally, but occassionally....
As far as I know, you cannot push start an EFI engine, there is no way to get the sucker to fire unless the starter circuit is activated, oh wait the battery is dead...
Sorry, I had to put in my two cents and now I'm flat broke. I'm sure there will be a far more intelligent and technical answer along soon.
Edited by varyder 2008-11-04 5:09 PM
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Sparta, WI | Sure you can push start the Vision if you really, absolutley had to she would fire up and take you home. It would help to be 27 years old. That happened for me 27 years ago. I have a younger girl friend and she can git er done if we need to push start the bike.
Well, I think you can push start it.
Edited by Minnow 2008-11-04 5:14 PM
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Ruskin, Fl | I had mine stall a couple of times when it was new. Slowing for a stop when the engine was cold. I tried popping the clutch with no luck. Just hit the starter and it fired back up. Today however I rode five minutes to go vote and when I was done the battery was not charged enough to turn it over. For a minute I considered a push start and decided it was easier to just walk home and get the jumper cables. Still not sure what the dead battery was all about. If it happens again I'll look further into it. |
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Fargo, ND | Make sure your trunk is closed all the way so the light inside is shut off. An unlatched trunk has been known to drain the battery on their unsuspecting owners. |
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SC, Bluffton | varyder - 2008-11-04 5:07 PM
As far as I know, you cannot push start an EFI engine, there is no way to get the sucker to fire unless the starter circuit is activated, oh wait the battery is dead...
This is my understanding as well. Before I installed a relay for my Kawasaki's light bar, I
killed it one day forgetting to turn off the lightbar. Had to jump start from a vehicle. Of course
I was the last one at work that day, so the Wife had to drive 20 minutes to rescue me. 
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Tavares, Fl | Can you push start an EFI bike if the battery is too low to pump fuel and activate the injectors???? I don't know but don't see how it could work, you have to have fuel in the cylinder to fire.....I joined AAA and got the RV package. I've had mine jumped twice, hopping off the bike shutting off the thumb switch but walking off leaving the key switch on and it doesn't take long at all if the headlight and PIA light is on...
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | I have listened to my radio for 2+ hours and never had an issue starting the bike. I would think that would draw more juice than the hazards. My dealer told me you can't push start the bike. I haven't confirmed this. |
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Rockford, IL | To the best of my knowledge an EFI bike can not be push started. |
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LaPorte,Tx. | I would say with an electronic fuel pump and fuel injection needs a pump and the pump needs electricity, with a dead battery, your not going to go anywhere. |
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| Does ANYONE have the battery dimensions? Or is someone planning to pull the battery anytime soon who could get them to me?
I have a friend and he makes his own bike batteries utilizing the same case, materials, etc as the Odyssey batteries sold for Harleys. He sells these under the GBattery label and I was going to inquire about fitting one for the Vision. For those who don't know these batteries do NOT drain, don't need to be placed on a trickle charger or tender over winter storage, etc... If I can get the dimensions I can find out if he has batteries that will fit the Vision battery box and/or if he'd be willing to work on one for us. |
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Jasper, MO | Lotzafun - 2008-11-05 3:01 PM
To the best of my knowledge an EFI bike can not be push started.
Not true. I've push started my 2000SC before. I've also helped push start a Honda GL1800, and an EFI Harley FLH. Anybody can have battery trouble. As long as there is enough charge to cause the headlight to illuminate, there is usually enough charge to power the fuel pump and ECU, even when there isn't enough to crank the motor via the starter. The starter requires a couple hundred amps, while the fuel pump and ECU only require a few amps. In extreme cases of battery discharge, one can "sometimes" find just enough reserve in the battery if you pull the headlight relay or fuse, thus eliminating the draw of the headlight. It's always worth a try, and sure beats walking or calling for a tow.
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Jasper, MO | Teach - 2008-11-05 10:11 PM
Does ANYONE have the battery dimensions? Or is someone planning to pull the battery anytime soon who could get them to me?
I have a friend and he makes his own bike batteries utilizing the same case, materials, etc as the Odyssey batteries sold for Harleys. He sells these under the GBattery label and I was going to inquire about fitting one for the Vision. For those who don't know these batteries do NOT drain, don't need to be placed on a trickle charger or tender over winter storage, etc... If I can get the dimensions I can find out if he has batteries that will fit the Vision battery box and/or if he'd be willing to work on one for us.
If he is already building batteries for the HD, then he probably already has what you want. The Vision battery is a common size used in the larger bikes. BTW the dimensions are L= 6 7/8 W=3 7/16 H=6 1/8.
I know the Odyssey types batteries are good, but they will "drain" when left installed in any machine that has a clock, radio presets, etc. to keep powered, just as the other types of batteries do. They do usually offer a higher reserve capacity than "most" wet-cell types, but not all. I won't spend the extra bucks for them anymore, but that is just my choice. Yes, I know that they do not tend to self-drain as much when just sitting on the self and not connected to anything.
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Linwood, MI | Alrighty, I can comfirm that the Vision will restart by push starting. As for the question of doing with a dead battery, I'm not sure. I can only offer you this: unlike other motorcycles that I have owned, the charging system on the Vision charges as long as the engine is running, as opposed to not charging until the engine reaches a certain RPM. Therefore, it my assumption that as long as you can build up a decent rolling speed and your charging system is functioning properly, you should be able to restart the Vision by getting it rolling and popping the clutch. I'll leave the proper speed and gear for you to experiment with at your leisure.  |
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New Bohemia, VA | Okay, with all that said, what happens when the engine dies and you're on a full roll and you pop the clutch and the back wheel locks up? It seems with all that steam, rolling at 40/50 mph that the sucker would refire, nope, not that I can get it to do. Hopefully, I'll never have to try again.
What I've read so far is that no one has yet to have actually push started a Vision. Now, I would guess this, it would start if you had it rolling and had enough juice to push the button at the same time to "activate" the starting circuit and it would fire, but just having the switch on and doing it, I'm not so sure.
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Linwood, MI | Chris, just yesterday I tried this. I was doing 55, pulled in the clutch, shut off the bike, turned it back on, and popped the clutch. It fired right up. No need to hit the starter. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Rebel - 2008-11-07 11:08 AM
Chris, just yesterday I tried this. I was doing 55, pulled in the clutch, shut off the bike, turned it back on, and popped the clutch. It fired right up. No need to hit the starter.
Cool, thanks Reb. I guess my next question is, was that off with the key or the kill switch and back on again? I've never got mine to refire after a stall by popping the clutch, I even went the whole way out and all I got was 1/4th of an inch off the tire, locked up like I had the brake on.  |
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LaPorte,Tx. | Chris, you may have been in too low of a gear when you tried to do the rolling start. A higher gear will help keep the rear wheel from locking up. Also, I would say it has to be dry pavement. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks VT, but at 40/50 I would have been in 5th and the road was dry. Thanks. Btw I'll honk when I blow by laporte at midnight Tuesday. |
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So Cal | I got a cellphone and extended warr. I aint pushstartin nuthin. |
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