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New Bohemia, VA | I'm looking to put a jockey shifter on my Vision. Has anyone done this? It doesn't look complicated, and I know the risks and will proceed with caution. The end results would be a foot clutch actuator and a hand shift. |
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| Move forward into the forties, I always say! |
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| maybe rusty jone or hotvic |
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks, JV. I'm hoping to find something that will work, I know a custom set up will be a pretty penny. I'm wondering if using the brake application for the clutch would work? |
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New Bohemia, VA | rainryder II - 2016-03-25 1:42 PM Move forward into the forties, I always say! love it! Sometimes, back to the basics is what we need to keep pressing forward. |
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| put a cable clutch lever on shifter that way you can squeeze lever and shift at same time.
you're going to have to figure out how to attach jockey shift to side of bike.
so long rod with hole in middle of rod to use as a pivot and bolt to body of bike
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New Bohemia, VA | I've got to go with the foot clutch, no other option. I'm thinking because there would be enough clearance and the placement of the shift shaft, a simple lever shifter would suffice. Maybe that would put to much side stress on the shaft and cause binding, but it don't seem that it would. Thanks for the discussion, this is another controversial subject, but I'm bound to try it. I'm losing a lot of strength in my left hand when it comes to pulling the clutch in. The hand would still work well with the shifter, and the foot can clutch. It's not something I'm afraid and I'll change my riding habits because of it. My biggest schooling will be using only the right foot to balance when taking off. I have some hills to negate that would take me a minute to figure out. Once I've trained myself to do this it would just became natural all the way around.
Edited by varyder 2016-03-27 6:56 PM
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Brighton, TN | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zSevtXlT5U
Seems this would be a better option without much hand strength required and you get to keep both feet on terra firma.....
I also saw where they make a clutch multiplier, similar to this one. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Brian, I'll have to watch the video tonight, but I'm assuming it is an easy clutch. I'm not sure how long that will benefit me even though it will require less pull. I hate to admit this at all, so it's difficult to discuss, but the compression is the problem. I can hook the shifter with no compression and work it. I'm seriously seeing no other option and looking to be my last year riding if the jockey shifter doesn't work for me. I was practicing this morning stopping one footed and pretend shifting and it seems like I could get use to it. I wasn't riding like a bat out of torment either. I might be hanging up the guns when the Vision hits 200,000 but I'm still determined. |
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Brighton, TN | I understand the dilemma to some extent. Hope you can get it figured out and continue on the way, but maybe look into the spyders. still in the wind and a hoot to boot. 4 wheelers - most of the automatics are cvt driven, I bet that could be adapted, some of those bikes run upward of 80+mph, can't imagine it couldn't be modified to fit.
the lower end 4 wheelers still use a no clutch system, where the foot lever is raised or lowered disengages the clutch pack, allowing the shift. There is also a drum, which has fingers in it to grab the drum, when rpm is at a certain level, allowing the bike to sit still without undue wear on the shift mechanism. Lots of options, really surprised none of those designs have really made it into bikes. |
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Brighton, TN | Well, my father was diagnosed with some kind of carpal tunnel, losing grip strength etc. Docs told him not to exercise the muscle due to it would inflame the area. I went to the store and got him the easiest hand grip squeezer I could find. brought that back to him and told him to give it a try 3x a day, until he went back to the doc. He found it uncomfortable at first, but was intrigued by the idea. He had fallen to less than 20lbs of grip strength. Less than a month, most of the pain gone and had boosted hand strength to over 40 lbs and climbing. Doc couldn't believe it. a few folks, I know, who were facing carpal tunnel surgery tried this same feature and managed to regain their strength and lessen the pain. Not saying it will work for you, but it seems the less muscle mass we have to protect the nerves and sensitive areas, the more prone we are to the pain and discomfort.
I would probably try one of the clutch mechanisms above before I would try to bike with just one foot down. I've fell over, at a stop before and both feet were down. It was just that slippery. You might design the next easy clutch to allow you a seat in the easy chair of retirement. Don't go backward, go forward. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I wish my issue was CTS, I know that is painful also. Last year was a challenge, especially in pokey traffic, and found myself stopping just to rest my hand more than usual. The winter hit me hard where 30 degree days I put myself into distress because the muscles would not compress the clutch at all and I had to hook it and pull back. So I quit riding on the colder days. I continued to exercise my hand and even picked up playing the mandolin. I give it a rest when it feels tired, but continue to press forward. I let it rest over the weekend thinking I've been working it too hard, but to no avail. Trust me, I've been through extensive testing and mri's and have ruled out every possibility of a neurological disease. However, there is no indication or hope by the doctors it will ever get better, or worse for that matter. My hope in my Creator is all that is left at this point, and I'm very okay with that. I'm not wanting to give up the saddle, and I won't do trike. If this has been for a time, I'm okay with that because it's been one great time, (s)mile after (s)mile!
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Brighton, TN | well, that is most definitely a bad case of no pulling the clutch. However, before you, strike the spyder of the checklist, give one a go, they are fun to ride. I hope you can fix it and get back to it. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I have principles, LOL!!! (and not using LOL is one of them) |
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| Try Chiropractic, if you haven't already. It's been said that every chiropractic miracle comes after a medical failure. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Muscle loss is not something that comes back. Therapist told me not to waste my time. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I stopped by one custom shop, haven't see the foot clutch done in a long time and isn't familiar with any vendors. |
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Taylorsville, KY | Over a foot clutch, I would recommend converting the left grip to a twist clutch and put a "heel" on the grip you can push down on so you wouldn't need much grip strength. I'm guessing it wouldn't be too difficult to modify a throttle assembly to make it work. |
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| Maybe the old style Harley rocker clutch could be modified to fit your Vision. The clutch stays disengaged when rocked forward coming to a stop and both feet can be used when stopped. You would only need to use your right foot to balance when taking off from a stop. Rock the clutch with the heal of left foot to engage clutch, toe of left foot to disengage clutch. Some sort of spline and rod coming up to a comfortable place would enable left hand shifts. I had a '54 HD Panhead with a similar setup and had no problems taking off ( even on hills ) and shifting thru the gears. Just a thought.
P>S> Would possibly need to convert to cable for clutch instead of hydraulic. |
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| oops, my bad; toe forward on the rocker clutch engages it, heel down disengages the clutch. After 40+ years the brain gets a little sketchy. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks for the suggestions. I wonder if they have a modern rocker clutch. Someone also converting to an automatic shift, which I need to look into that also. |
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Lynnwood, WA United States | Just wondering if something like this might be of help to you....
http://www.pingelonline.com/prodcat/electric-speed-shifters.asp |
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| contact these guys. They were is sturgis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGS7Pu9i8Gg |
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New Bohemia, VA | yow! Both look like great options. I like the rekluse clutch and have a dealer close by. I don't know what the expense is but that might be worth it if they make it for Victory. |
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Brighton, TN | FYI, Rekluse clutches have been in use with dirt bikes for a while. endurocross guys use them a lot. Some of the motocross guys will also use them. Then there are those guys who casually ride in the wooods, who just enjoy the convenience. Wouldn't be surprised if you could make it work.
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Barrington, NH | I would recommend the recluse as well, it they will offer one for a Victory... |
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| "Muscle loss is not something that comes back. Therapist told me not to waste my time."
Dylan Thomas said to not "go quietly into that good night", but to "rage against the darkness."
Have that therapist show you her or his medical doctorate, then go to a Chiropractor and quit messing around and get it fixed. The worst it can do is not work. I'm serious here. Do you want to not try every avenue, knowing the conventional medical profession offers NO hope? Be advised: I'm not talking an instant fix here, healing takes time, so stick with it. BTW-Chiropractic has been around since 1895. They know a little bit about neurology.
Your therapist will tell you that you'll have to go back and back, etc., but they and your MD want to put you on pills the rest of your life, and how many "treatments" is that? What's the cost of those meds? How is your quality of life?
Listening to them, not only does your arm continue to waste away, but you eventually potentially end up on dialysis to boot. The ego of the therapist is unconscionable, IMHO, asserting that simply because they have no answer, that no one does. You have a pretty good computer on your shoulders that knows more about your muscle mass than any therapist out there, if you can just get the electrical impulses to them. I'm a D.C., and as Mr. Crabs might say, ""Spongebob me boy, I've seen this before!"
No guarantees, but the alternative sucks, as near as I can tell. But of course, you can do what you want.
Edited by rainryder II 2016-04-04 2:59 PM
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| I'm not trying to flame you, here, just care enough to offer an avenue to be explored. I don't have the whole story of the cause, but metaphorically speaking, until you align the front end of your car, you're going to wear out tires.
There are reasons not to adjust the spine, such as infections or cancer, but if those are not a factor in your case, what have you got to lose?
You can buy tires till the cows come home, but arms are hard to come by. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Everything is taken respectfully. I went to see one of the best neurosurgens in the country. Thinking it maybe diease/syndrome, such as MS or related neuro issue, I had extenisve testing. Nada. Doc is baffled but I show no other signs but in my left hand. Not saying a chiropractor couldn't give me some sort of treatment, everything I know so far is only a miracle could provide improvement. At best, any neuro treatment is negligible I made two visits to a recommended theripist when it was believed to be treatable, but they realized it was not and recommended to see the expert. I carry my faith in God to get me moving forward and my time on a cycle. Since it is starting to get worse, it may be a signal... |
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New Bohemia, VA | Update, if you're following this. I'm still moving forward to get a foot clutch, I'm going to take the bike to an old school place to gets some opinions and pricing. On the positive side, I'm having somewhat of a reprieve with my hand, but it still tires quickly during rapid shifting in succession. I'm just changing my riding style, no so fast take offs from stop lights any more. I continue to practice in my mind on shifting. If it will prove to be too awkward when I do make the switch, I'll still have nothing to lose. I just want to hit the 200,000 mile mark for my own satisfaction. I think I can do at least that. |
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| Chris: (I think) I have a problem also with the clutch pull and at times have had to use the hook method that you discribed. I would get cramps like, which were perrallesis, I couldn't move my fingers. I am sure mine will get worse too because of age. I got a few on you. At first I made my own EZ-pull out of a couple of pieces of aluminun with an ajustable screw in it so as to get the max leverage for pull. Got a little vain and didn't think it look professional anuff. Got an EZ-Shift, thought it was from Witch Doctor. To get it ajusted rite seems like I ground some of the pin in the clutch handle. (its a bear getting it back in the rubber boot). Also seems like that was a mistake. Any way the last thing I did to get it rite to put 1/2 of a .177 pullet in the brass piece in the handle. It diffinately pulls eazier but not as easy as a Honda they just have a longer throw. My EZ-Shift was 49.95 VCID-CO8. came from Owens Cycle Works, Ph.865-264-4425, Sales@owenscycleworks.com/ Got a note in my maintenance Jason & Paul, 805A Clinch Ave., Clinton TN 37716. I had looked in to the air shift kit, but the EZ-Shift is doing the job OK for now.
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Albuquerque, NM | varyder - 2016-04-12 1:59 PM
Update, if you're following this. I'm still moving forward to get a foot clutch, I'm going to take the bike to an old school place to gets some opinions and pricing. On the positive side, I'm having somewhat of a reprieve with my hand, but it still tires quickly during rapid shifting in succession. I'm just changing my riding style, no so fast take offs from stop lights any more. I continue to practice in my mind on shifting. If it will prove to be too awkward when I do make the switch, I'll still have nothing to lose. I just want to hit the 200,000 mile mark for my own satisfaction. I think I can do at least that.
RE: "Rapid Shifting" Have you considered the Pingel or Kliktronic Shifters? Very pricey I've read. |
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Grand Cane, LA | If worse comes to worse, when you can't ride the Vision anymore because of the clutch, the new Honda VRF1200Xs have an automatic gearbox this year. Of course it is an Adventure style bike, but riding is still riding. I never could get the Easy-Clutch adjusted right on my Vision. I just found it the other day on the shelf in my shop and was going to try and fit it to the CCT, but remembered the hassle I had trying to adjust it the last time and said NOPE! |
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| I am still waiting for that honda auto shifter to come out on the Goldwing. Probably not till the wing sales drop off some more.
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Grand Cane, LA | wingit3611 I wonder why they haven't tried to put one on the GoldWing? I think maybe because it has too much torque for the application. With the VRF1200X now out with one, they may have found the right formula to upgrade one for a GoldWing. |
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