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Posts: 320 Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay! | So, my dealer calls me on Friday, Oct. 3, and tells me that the part (a ratcheting-something-or-another for the clutch) for my warranty repair on my Vision is in (ordered 3 weeks ago), and I can drop the bike off the following week for the repair, and , I'm assuming, the recall. I take the bike in Tuesday morning the 7th (they're closed Sun. & Mon.) to drop it off. Told it will be done no later than Thursday. I never heard from the dealer, and I was crazy busy last week myself (Me & hubby's store had our 1 year anniversary party on Sunday, so I was involved in planning that and son's football games Thursday PM & Sat.). So... I tried calling this morning when they opened to find out if I can pick my bike up. No one can give me an answer. The Service Writer is in court, no one can get a hold of her, or, apparently, look at where my bike's parked to tell me if it's done. So, hubby & I had to run a few errands (our store is closed on Tues. only, so it's our one day "off", meaning not having to be at the store.). We stop by there around 1 pm. (I rode 'bey-atch', just in case....) They tell me "No, the bike's still not done." They're waiting on a primary cover gasket, which they never ordered in the first place, knowing they had to take the primary cover off to repair the clutch. It was ordered on Friday. Might be in today or tomorrow..... Bike should be done tomorrow or the next day....  I got perturbed in the dealership. Explained how, of the 5 other Hondas that hubby & I own, not one of them has ever spent more than 60 minutes in the dealer for anything, except routine maintenance (hubby's GL1800 has almost 60,000 miles on it, my ST1300 has over 11,000 miles, my VTX 1800 has 9,000 miles his VTX 1800 has 7,000 miles, his Rune has 3,000). Had a screw back out of the brake caliper on my VTX. We fixed it, dealer just went over the system to nake sure nothing else as missed. My ST had a head gasket leak. That was replaced and on it's way, while I waited....My Vision, with 11,000 miles in 10 months, has been in the shop for 11 weeks for repairs. The service writer told me, "Ya know, you should never buy a car the first year. Let them work out the glitches..." I got majorly perturbed. They were very eager to sell me that first year bike when it came out. And, when I expressed concerns over repairs in the future, was told "Don't worry. We have a quck and efficient service department." I explained that I halfway have hubby talked into riding down to Tampa this Thursday (son has Fall Break from school Thur-Sun), and would love to have my bike in time (he's getting too big to ride on hubby's bike with him). They couldn't guarantee the bike would be done by Wed. PM. I then asked about a loaner, and was told, quite abruptly and snottily "No, we don't do that. It's not our policy." (Hubby has done several rides with them, for publicity, where they have let other guys from around town use Big Dogs, Iron Horses, etc., to drinking events. Even had hubby ride a Bourget across town to do photos for our ads, giving them credit for the bike...) And these guys are known to drink and drive, and hot rod their bikes. I don't have a rep. around town as being a daredevil on the bike....). I am so pissed..... I'm not sure if it's at my stealer or at Victory. Not sure if it's poor product, poor dealer support, or poor customer service..... I just know I don't have my bike in the garage to ride, for over week now. Last time it was in the shop, it was in there for 3 weeks, the time before that, 4 weeks. Is it that hard to get parts for them or technical support?! If this bike wasn't the most comfortable thing I've ever had my butt on, it would be on eBay tomorrow......
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Posts: 294 rhode island | sorry to hear your vision is turning into a nightmare trixie, I would find a reputable dealer and trade it for an 09 premium.
you gotta unload this lemon. 
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Posts: 140
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Check out he contrast...My dealer is committed to the brand. They always move me to the top of the list, and thet always act like they appreciate my business. This is my second Vic, and the only repair work I`ve ever had done was a broken clutch cable. The dealer didn`t have one in stock, but had the part shipped in overnight and i was back out the next afternoon. A cable is not covered, but my cost was nada, the dealer picked it up.
So, I`m kind of inclined to think that your problem is mostly dealer. Other than crappy paint, owning Victories in general, and especially the Vision, has been pure pleasure for me. In my experience, vics stand up to honda or any other brand regarding reliability.
You have too many bikes, though. Maybe you are being punished for general decadence.
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Posts: 1484 LaPorte,Tx. | I too have major issues with my dealer. I'm pretty sure they just don't know what they are doing and really don't care for the customer. I have had my Vision in for service, the last being the fork oil change, I really don't believe they did the work. I know what it takes to change the oil in the forks and it is quite involved. Upon inspection of the forks after I got the bike back, there was no indication that anything was removed from the bike. The charge.....$650. This led me to contact, Victory Customer Service and here is the reply......
Our Polaris Dealer Network is crucial to be able to provide you, our valued customer, with the best sales and service in the Power Sports Industry. Therefore, be assured that your comments are important to us.
We appreciate your taking the time to relay this information and we will document your comments and concerns regarding this matter.
Thank you for your patience and constructive feedback.
Respectfully,
Customer Service Representative
Consumer Services
Polaris Industries, Inc.
If you notice, this reply is not from Victory.......it is from Polaris Industries, Inc.. I think that is where the big disconnect is coming from. Is Polaris really commnicating to Victory about the poor dealer to customer relationships! I have said it before, Victory needs motorcycle dealers......Not ATV, water craft, chainsaw, generator, or whatever else they can put in a showroom. It is not about the motorcycle, it is about the dealers. Look back at all the complaints that show up in these forums.......people with good dealers have no issues! I will be moving to another Victory dealer in the Houston area, I just hope they are not the same. WE NEED GOOD DEALERS!!!!
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Posts: 64 US | Is low country customs your dealer? that is where I bought mine if so.
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Posts: 460 Centennial, CO | VT,
You are on the right track! I have had no problems with my dealer. As a matter of fact, they have gone out of their way to ensure I have prompt and good service. That is not to say I don't have to wait in line to get my bike in the door. They are on a 3 week wait for any bike let alone my V. I take that as a sign that they are busy and will work me in when they can get to it. NOW, that also being said and done, I must give HUGE kudos to my dealer for working my bike in the very next week after purchase to put on my S1L2 pipes for a long trip out of town. I called and explained that if they did nothing else but the service and pipes, I would be willing to wait on all the other issues that I have such as the right back rubbing the seat and other odds and ends that we all are dealing with. They said that I had to drop off the bike but there was no guarantee it would be done within 48 hours but it WOULD be done before the weekend when I was leaving. It was and I was very grateful and I let them know.
Trixie, in my humble opinion, write the OWNER a letter expressing your concerns and explain to them in no uncertain terms that you are fed up and WILL be taking your business somewhere else. You as a business owner know how much THAT kind of feedback can kill YOUR business. If the owner cares, he/she will make it right.
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Posts: 320 Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay! | Yes, it is Low Country Customs. They are less than 20 miles from where I live. The next closest dealer is over 2 hours away. I know the owner through other business relationships we have. IMHO, he prefers the "choppers" he sells- Iron Horse (defunct), Big Dog, Bourget, Martin Bros. They took on Vic's as their 'meat and potatos' brand. A $22,000 Vic is chump change to a $100,000 Martin Bros. or a $45,000 Bourget. Too bad.... People buy Vics and RIDE them. I bet some of the Bourgets that they sold 2 years ago don't have nearly as many miles on it as my Vic does in 10 months (minus 11 weeks service time.... ). I have been composing a letter in my mind that will be typed out tomorrow and sent to Polaris Industries and CC-ed to LCC.....
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Posts: 64 US | If it helps I sent an e-mail to Mark Blackwell the company vice president had a response in a little over an hour and 2 different customer service reps call me, not about low country but the local dealer here Jacksonville powersports. Mr. Blackwell and staff were very helpfull and my bike got fixed today!
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Posts: 320 Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay! | My ST1300 is for sale. I agree. I have too many bikes. I don't get any more time to ride than with one bike. I like to have 2, so I have a back up, in just such an event as this. I wish all dealer's had commitment to brand. I gotta admit. I am a little gun shy of the brand right now. My warranty runs out 12/11/08. I am debating on whether I want to keep this bike (definitly extend the warranty), or get something else. Hubby and I do at least one long distnace trip a year (son is 11. That number will increase in a few years when he goes off to school). I need a big comfy bike. My VTX can do it, dressed right. But, it's still not nearly as comfortable as the Vision... Nervous about taking on a dealer 2 hours away, with a bike that has to go into the shop every month or so. Decisions, decisions....
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Posts: 8144 New Bohemia, VA | GAgirlTrixie - 2008-10-14 8:49 PM My ST1300 is for sale. I agree. I have too many bikes. I don't get any more time to ride than with one bike. I like to have 2, so I have a back up, in just such an event as this. I wish all dealer's had commitment to brand. I gotta admit. I am a little gun shy of the brand right now. My warranty runs out 12/11/08. I am debating on whether I want to keep this bike (definitly extend the warranty), or get something else. Hubby and I do at least one long distnace trip a year (son is 11. That number will increase in a few years when he goes off to school). I need a big comfy bike. My VTX can do it, dressed right. But, it's still not nearly as comfortable as the Vision... Nervous about taking on a dealer 2 hours away, with a bike that has to go into the shop every month or so. Decisions, decisions....
Always a tough decision, but here's my take on your dilemma. I'd take it to the dealer two hours away if they have a great reputation and have them do a shake down. I'm very confident that, though there is bugs, Victory is very dependable and don't expect much less from the Vision. Most of my so call problems are small problems. I would say yours is a big problem because they have to tear into the bike, but if done right it will be trouble free for many miles. It just need to be checked to make sure there is not an underlying problem that is causing more obvious problems that are fixed, while the real problem is never fixed like something warped. A good tech would be able to see into the real issue and fix it and anything that has been affected, epecially if it is under warranty. I am extremely happy with my Vision and always have been, today it is running as it should, but I'm going for the 4year warranty (+1 first year) in case something does pop up, it would be well worth the $900+ to do so. I understand that you settle into most any bike, though your Vision is the most comfortable. As for me, I could never go back to anything else because it is not the Vision. I test road the Vegas Low and King Pin Low and would get one for the second bike for fun but probably never for a long trip unless I just wanted to be "tough". So the bottomline is, once you get it straight, there should be no taking it to the shop every month or so. I'm going to start doing my own work even though it is under warranty and if it is major I will document step by step and make sure I use the proper tools if it calls for a special tool. But I'm gun shy of my dealer as they'll take it and keep it for a long time, so I know your pain. | |
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Posts: 8144 New Bohemia, VA | ness_fan - 2008-10-14 8:47 PM If it helps I sent an e-mail to Mark Blackwell the company vice president had a response in a little over an hour and 2 different customer service reps call me, not about low country but the local dealer here Jacksonville powersports. Mr. Blackwell and staff were very helpfull and my bike got fixed today! Robert Take it to the top, go NessFan! | |
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Posts: 404 San Antonio, TX United States | GAgirlTrixie, If you have a decent dealer, the bike won’t be going into the shop every month or so. Remember all the other people on this forum that only take their bike in for regular maintenance. As for the dealership I work at, regular maintenance is always taken in and moved through as quickly as possible. The longest I had a bike set on my lift was for one week. We had to order an entire clutch basket assembly and had to wait for that, but the woman dropped of her eight ball and we called her later that day to let her know what I had found. She did not have her bike for 5 days. Dropped off on Monday back out on Friday. However, we also keep at least one primary gasket in stock at all times. It usually is the job of the mechanic to order all the parts required when he does the diagnosis. There is absolutely no excuse for the gasket not being ordered when they ordered the Rack Insert. I assume that is what they had to order for the clutch. Good luck finding a dealer to take care of you.
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Posts: 175 Colorado | Mr Blackwell is currently in Europe (Victory release in Germany) be patient if going to the top today or any time this week.
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Posts: 320 Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay! | Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. Ya know what has me the most ticked off, I think? That they won't own their own mistakes.... and no updates to me about my bike. Tried to blow off the not having a primary gasket on hand thing like it was nothing. Tried to blame it on the new parts guy taking over, 6 weeks ago (who was not there to defend himself). My hubby & I own an independent repair shop (as well as MC apparel and Accessory store). I told him (hubby) that one of our guys had better not ever keep a customer in the dark. If someone's bike is there for over 3 days, I want them contacted and updated. If another part has to be ordered, whether by oversight or discovery, I want the customer updated immediately. Our guys always check to be sure that we have all foreseeable parts in stock for a prescheduled repair. We won't let a bike come into the shop for prescheduled repairs of maintenance if we don't have everything on hand to do it with. We don't need to store the bike for that much longer, and the customer doesn't need to be without their bike if it's rideable. If I had gotten a call on Friday, when the primary gasket was ordered, telling me about it, I would be in a lot better mood than I am in now. I know they are busy, we all are. I know that we all make mistakes, but they routinely try to sweep things like this under the carpet, and hope it just goes away....Without an acknowledgment of error or anything. The Service Writer even said to me "Did I tell you it would be ready today?" She had told me & hubby when I brought it in, that it would be ready late Wednesday last week, Thurs. at the latest! And then tries to be, "Well, we didn't know it would need this gasket.". I said "You remove the primary cover, and don't expect to replace the gasket?" and she just mumbled..... Why they don't have one on hand, I don't know. I know of 4 or 5 Visions they have sold, so they have to expect them for service. Plus, the Vsion is a touring bike. Savannah is a major motor tourist destination. We are a good distance stop along the NE-->FL route (4 hours from Daytona, 8 from Miami, 13 from NYC), and have lots of bikes through here.
I appreciate the heads up from you, dwhite, and everyone else. I am a very patient person, but one that when I've had enough, boom, I've reached my boiling point.
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Posts: 2027 Brighton, TN | Splashing water in your direction, trying to douse the fuse you lit. If my dealer was bad, it wouldn't matter, I would drive to the next one. I used to drive to a GMC dealer just for the service and information I was able to get from them. I now live 8 hours from them and I would still drive to them to purchase another car. To me worth the drive.
OOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHhhhhhhh!!!!111
This sounds like one of my stories, I feel the pain. Even with all I've been through, and looking at it objectively, there isn't anything REALLY wrong with my bike, minor stuff but what machine doesn't. If you love it, fix it and keep rolling. Why not let your maintenance dude fix it. I'm sure you can get the parts and the service manual. TADA. | |
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Posts: 294 rhode island | WoW did i blow it, i thought you were just having problems with your bike and didn't realize your dealer also sucks!
Some dealers are great like mine M.O.M's in foxboro mass. He's been known to loan a bike while service is being
performed. Like po said another dealer might make you smile again.
good luck trixie : 
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Posts: 64 US | badnvegas - 2008-10-14 9:59 PM
Mr Blackwell is currently in Europe (Victory release in Germany) be patient if going to the top today or any time this week.
No he is back he e-mailed me sunday and the customer service reps (2 of them) called me on 10/13/08 at about 0900 and made the calls for me the same day, took my bike in 10/14/08 and it was fixed about 6 hours later.
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Posts: 600 Linwood, MI | It's all in the dealer, Trix. And the service dept of yours is really dropping the ball here. So many dealers--motorcycle or car--dont' seem to realize that so many problems with customer service could be avoided if they would just communicate with their customers! We don't expect our machines to be perfect, but we want to know what's going on and what the dealer is doing. We could tolerate mistakes (misdiagnosis, ordering wrong part, etc.) a lot better if they would just tell us about it, apologize, and then fix it ASAP.
My suggestion would be to first contact the dealership owner. He may be unaware of how his service deptartment is treating customers and as a business owner I would hope that he wants happier customers than what you are currently. If that gets nowhere, I would contact the Victory Area Rep. This guy is supposed to be the link between the dealer and Victory. While going straight to the top has its attraction, the Rep is the next link in the chain of command and this is part of his job. When I had trouble with my Kingpin a while back (due to resistance on Victory's part, not my dealer), I talked to the Rep and he told the dealer to do whatever it takes and that he would take care of it on the corporate end.
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Posts: 935 Rockford, IL | GAgirlTrixie - 2008-10-14 9:45 PM Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. Ya know what has me the most ticked off, I think? That they won't own their own mistakes.... and no updates to me about my bike. ...if someone's bike is there for over 3 days, I want them contacted and updated. If another part has to be ordered, whether by oversight or discovery, I want the customer updated immediately. ... If I had gotten a call on Friday, when the primary gasket was ordered, telling me about it, I would be in a lot better mood than I am in now. Its ALL about COMMUNICATION !!!!!!!! Being in the collision repair industry I've learned that the number one rule is communicate communicate communicate with the customer about everything. Quite often I have repairs that were scheduled for 3 or 4 days end up turning into 7 days or more. Most of the times its due to an unforseen parts issue or hidden damages. But the KEY is to contact the customer right away and update them as to whats going on. Explain in detail the reason for the delay and explain to them that there might even be a possibility of further delays. And if there is any further delay the customer MUST be contacted again...immediately. I never promise anything, not matter how sure I am. I've learned that as soon as I promise anything that somehow something that I can not control....will arise. At an absolute minimum you should have received a contact last Thursday. There is ZERO excuse as to why they didn't contact you by Friday. I don't care if they had 100 bikes in the service department and only one employee. It almost like they are REQUIRED to call you....period...no exceptions...ever. You need to explain to them that the details of the delays do NOT matter to you at all whatsoever. What DOES matter is the FACT that you were NOT communicated with. You need to explain the difference between a screw-up and a f#*k-up. They screwed up by not properly scheduling thier service department and they screwed up by not ordering the correct parts the first time. But they f#*ked up by not communicating with you. | |
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Posts: 562 SC, Bluffton | ness_fan - 2008-10-14 7:34 PM
Is low country customs your dealer? that is where I bought mine if so.
Robert
Yes, but I bought mine 1st! Had mine since 10-11-07. I felt really
out of place around all those choppers, as I normally buy Hondas, Kaws &
Suzuki. I have been lucky with my Vision. I won't add anything electrically
after all the horror stories I have read, GAgirlTrixie included, and I can't
love my Vision becuase it doesn't have an intercomm headset system.
I really don't want this "flash" update thing done because if it ain't broke,
don't fix it.
Herb
P.S. Low Country Customs has done a lot more for Victory the Beasley Kawasaki did,
so I hear. I heard Beasley didn't even stock any Vics on the floor? Did anyone ever
go there when they were Savanna's Victory Dealership?
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Posts: 332 Dale, Indiana | The hardest and most aggravating thing in today's world is trying to find someone who will take your money!!!!!
You can walk into most any business these days with cash in your hands and you can't seem to get any SOB to take it.
Why?
Hell I can't figure it out!
I guess talking your money would mean they would have wake up from their sleepy stupors and get off their azzes and offer you some service.
Of course if they give you good service, you may be back AGAIN with cash, and then they would have to wake up again.
Hell I see it everyday.
I can stand in a business where I have dropped thousands of dollars over the years. Let some new guy they never saw walk in, and they fall all over themselves trying to sell them something while you stand there with cash that you're trying to force in their pockets.
DAMN!
All I want is a little service!
Hell you business people won't give me a .02 cents pencil at Christmas time anymore. Least you can do is take my flippin money.
My TV, radio, and newspaper is filled with ads paid for by people who wish to sell me something or offer me a service. Yet, when I show up at their door they act like they don't want my money.
Then it's the fine repair shops.
You take in your baby and cash hanging out of you pockets and all you want is your baby fixed. But NOOOOOOOO, as some as they get done Mr.-ing you to death. You turn into the enemy once you walk out that door.
We fricken customers want our babies fixed and we want it done in some kind of sane time frame.
HECK we care about that business.
We don't want our babies sitting in their way.
We don't want them to go broke.
We have cash!
Cash that we will gladly pay them in return of a little service.
God this reminds me of Wal-Mart and most discount stores.
Fill up my shopping cart and I can't find anyone to take my cash!
OH yeah.
They have the "Self Checkout"
Screw-em!
What's next? Will I have to unload the stock trailer and place the goodies on the shelf too!!??
Oh yeah Flying J Truck Stops.
They advertise they want my money.
But after pumping in $900.00 worth of fuel in my truck I GOT TO STAND IN A FRICKIN LINE TO GIVE THEM MY CASH!!!!!
2 weeks ago I learn my local Western Store (which I have supported for years because I wear western cut cloths and boots), has nice chaps for bikers at a really great price.
Only problem, they like everyone else don't have them big enough for my big azz. So the owner measured me and called the factory to make sure he had the right size according to his book before ordering my size in.
Only one problem.
It took him almost 2 weeks to make that call.
I wanted them by this Sunday for a poker run so they would match the matching vest that was in stock . There's some old azz-wipes that I use to work with on that ride and I wanted to look like a real spiffy poser!
I work long and hard and I have a little cash.
I want to buy something.
Anybody want my cash?
It seems most businesses in American don't!
And they wonder why I drink or ride a motorcycle.
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Posts: 8144 New Bohemia, VA | IRR I'd almost think we have the same dealer. They were it when I first started coming by and then bought my Vision and all was cool, but the honeymoon is over. They'll try their best to get more customers but won't do anything to keep the one and two they got. I took my bike in for the 15k and they kept it for nearly 3 weeks under the reason of waiting to hear from Victory on the warranty items. When I dropped it off they said they'd get right to it and have the service done. They did the service the day before they let me have it back. I let them know I didn't appreciate them holding my bike hostage when they could have given it back when they promised, the next day after I dropped it off. I won't take it back for them to work on it and I come and get things like oil change kits and so on, but that is it. Unless it is a major breakdown, it will not stay overnight. They still don't have the warranty items to replace and I haven't bugged them either, but I'm getting ready too. But the things you are mentioning are very prevelant almost everywhere now a days. I know when the dad, who is the owner is at the shop he treats all the customers like gold and makes every one us feel special. The kids make you feel like you're an interupption of the day unless you're a new customer. I thought I'd be their biggest sales person but I've lost interest because they want the new but don't want to keep the old, so is the impression. If it wasn't for the dependability of the Victory I have a bad feeling I'd be riding a GoldWing, but as long as I can get the parts and do my own work or take it to dependable dealer, I really don't need folk that could care less that you are solid customer. I think they, dealer and Victory really takes some of us for granted. I don't drink, cause the ride get's me high enough. Ride On! Ride Safe! | |
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Posts: 332 Dale, Indiana | varyder,
I wasn't necessarily talking about my dealer, but most American businesses in general. My dealer does seem to have no concern about my time and expense in making unnecessary trips to see them, and sadly any updates and recalls aren't known to them unless I bring it to their attention.
Reminds me, I was supposed to get a call last Monday about my reflash.
Guess I'll have to call and find out myself again.
They have a couple good guys in their shop, but the head guy spends more time making sure he's the head guy then doing what the head guys do. If I could keep him out of the way and let the guys who do care do the follow-ups, things would work soooooo much better.
Least what they fix is fixed right, and I have had no problems with all the chrome parts like so many others have had. They either have received all the chrome in good shape or sent the bad stuff back without telling me.
Whichever, least it looks good when I pick the bike up. Plus, they clean my bike before they give her back.
Prices …… It aren't cheap to have them change oil or do other work on my bike. Frankly, it seems most bike shops charge out the azz and don't care if we feel we're being screwed.
However, you see what truck dealers charge to work on a big 18 wheel truck!
That's why we keep everything possible done In House. Plus, truck techs love to leave their greasy finger prints on everything.
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Posts: 301 Buffalo Grove,Ill | Varyder wrote "They'll try their best to get more customers but won't do anything to keep the one and two they got" Sounds like my cell phone provider. Just like the issues here with bikes, almost any service oriented business. They want the numbers up front because it looks good in the books, but if they drop a few on the backside they don't care. | |
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Posts: 8144 New Bohemia, VA | I can be very opinionated and sometimes I might brings things on myself. <previous comments deleted> It is frustrating, my apologies for more useless babble.
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