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| Has anyone tried the new Amsoil 20/40 synthetic specifically for Victory and Indian?
If you have have you had any clutch slipping issues?
Edited by hdtovic 2015-08-20 4:43 PM
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| I have been using Amsoil 10/40 motorcycle oil in my 08 vision after it's second oil change. No problems with slipping after 50,000 |
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Danbury, Connecticut | I just got some for my next oil change. I haven't used anything but Vic oil since I've had the bike. I will send a oil sample out to Blackstone Labs, of this Vic oil with 3,000 miles on it, and then pull a sample when the Amsoil hits 3,000 miles to compare the two. Work and other things in life seem to be trumping my riding time this year, so I likely won't have solid data until next season on the Amsoil. Whenever that happens, I will post the results here along with any noticeable changes good or bad. My objectives are smoother transmission functions and longer service intervals without increasing engine and transmission wear or losing clutch integrity. I'm at 40,000 miles now, this should be a good point for this evaluation, where everything is worn in and nothing is worn out. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | been using he 10w40 since 08 as well.. here is what gets me... i wonder how much of this is marketing b.s. i mean .. yes it is really 20w40... but why... if you go on amsoil website you can see they are both a 40 weight . and if the winter weight 10 why would you want it to be 20 ? but... mama Vic recommends 20w40 and i think yamaha does do.. so is it needed.. hell no... but can it make people go to them if they have the same weight as the factory recommend.. probably.. the main importance is whats AFTER the (w) and they are both motorcycle oils, and they are both 40 weight. |
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| The reason I like 10w 40w is it starts when cold a lot easier. Especially when the temperature is near freezing. I change my oil and filter at 3000 to 4000miles. it will be interesting to see what a oil test says. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | AMSOIL 20W-40 Synthetic V-Twin Motorcycle Oil (MVI)
Kinematic Viscosity @ 100C, cSt (ASTM D445) 14.0
Viscosity Index (ASTM D2270) 139
AMSOIL High Performance Synthetic 10W-40 Motorcycle Oil (MCF)
Kinematic Viscosity @ 100C, cSt (ASTM D445) 14.2
Viscosity Index (ASTM D2270) 161
this is a copy and paste right off the amsoil website. of both their 10w40 and 20w40 motorcycle oil .. what interesting is the viscosity of the 10w40. is"thicker" than the 20w40.. now this is splitting hairs at this point but still.. click on the link and look at the blue area then look over to the right at the yellow area.. 40 weight has a "range" at which it can still be considered 40 weight.. (example when it shears) the 10w40 is higher on the chart than the 20w40 according to amsoil's own specs
http://www.acculube.com/images/viscosity_2.jpg
Edited by Arkainzeye 2015-08-21 5:20 AM
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Parkers Prairie, MN United States | I have been using Amsoil 20W-50 in my two Vegas' and I have 50K miles without a problem or any slipping.
I just traded my Vegas with 50K on it, in for a 09 Vision and first thing I did was change the oil and put in the new Amsoil 20W-40 but I only have about 500 miles on it.
So far it hasn't shown a sign of slippage and runs smooth as silk. But then its a Victory so it should!
Amsoil is well worth the money in my book. |
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New Bohemia, VA | snake oil |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Varyder, used amsoil and his front cylinder melted ! |
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Jasper, MO | hdtovic - 2015-08-20 4:41 PM
Has anyone tried the new Amsoil 20/40 synthetic specifically for Victory and Indian?
If you have have you had any clutch slipping issues?
Nope, I haven't.
I have been using Amsoil 10W-40 in my Victorys for over 14 years, going twice the Victory recommended change interval for the whole time. No clutch problems at all. Smooth shifting and easy to find neutrals all the way through--unlike the Victory oil.
I also never used the specialty Amsoil that they make for use in Harleys, which is the 20W-50 MCV. Some folks have done that and had clutch problems due to the special additives it contains for the Harley. Why would you do that??? Use the right product.
I expect the new oil targeted to Victory and Indian will be just fine. The other two they have had all these years has been.
I'll stick to the ones I've used for the past 14 years, since they are a bit cheaper----cheaper to use than Victory oil, and twice as good in my experience.
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Pittsburgh, PA | rdbudd, i dont blame amsoil for doing what their doing.. but this is just B.S. marketing crap.. there is no "need" to make a 40 weight Motorcycle that has less of a cool start flowing ability than the 40 weight motorcycle you ALREADY have been making... its all about the "newbie" feeling warm and fuzzy about their oil selection... if you even read the detailed specs on both oil.. it makes me laugh... Great oil.. one of the best in the world, (at least according to Varyder) lol , maybe i should do this !!! buy gas station and put the victory name on the pump and say.. specially formulated for victory and indian motorcycles... |
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Jasper, MO | Arkainzeye - 2015-08-23 6:42 AM
rdbudd, i dont blame amsoil for doing what their doing.. but this is just B.S. marketing crap.. there is no "need" to make a 40 weight Motorcycle that has less of a cool start flowing ability than the 40 weight motorcycle you ALREADY have been making... its all about the "newbie" feeling warm and fuzzy about their oil selection... if you even read the detailed specs on both oil.. it makes me laugh... Great oil.. one of the best in the world, (at least according to Varyder) lol , maybe i should do this !!! buy gas station and put the victory name on the pump and say.. specially formulated for victory and indian motorcycles...
I suspect that is the case.
Amsoil already made two oils that met the Victory specifications, but they weren't labeled as 20W-40, so the religious crowd wouldn't use anything that wasn't labeled 20W-40.
Amsoil made a specialty oil that meets the specs set forth by Harley, the 20W-50MCV. It is specifically labeled for use in Harleys and has additional additives that aren't friendly to the clutches used by Victory and the Japanese manufacturers. Still, some people put it in their Victory and then experienced clutch slippage. Then they blamed Amsoil or any synthetic in general, instead of themselves for using the wrong product in the first place.
Now, Amsoil has answered the market call for a 20W-40 "Victory and Indian" oil. That makes three Amsoil products that are for use in the Japanese bikes and Victory, the newest one being marketed specifically to Victory and Indian. That should satisfy the religious crowd, and reduce the use of the wrong (Harley specific) product in Victorys.
That's just good marketing.
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New Bohemia, VA | While a good portion of this is marketing, it allows folks to take a no-brainer approach in selecting oil. For our wet-clutch application, not any ol' oil will do, even if it says "motorcycle" oil. Just as important not to use additives unless especially designed for wet-clutch applications. I believe some of the clutch destructions has occurred due to the use of the wrong oil or additives, but it will get blamed on the manufacturer in making an inferior product. Sadly, I think folks fell into this situation when buying a used bike, either private or dealer. As far as any full synthetic, may you get the use out of it as you expect. I'm just being forthright to say I will not use a full synthetic oil in my bike unless the Ma Corp says it's okay. Cars, I'll use it all day long, though not currently. In my bike, I had slippage around 98,000 and full-syn and afraid I would need a new clutch. With nothing to lose I went back to a semi-syn, Lucas 10w40 Motorcycle oil, and the slippage went away. Still on the original clutch 90,000 miles later. We all have to make our own decisions. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Varyder you do have a good point.. i like to rehash i point i tried to make a few years ago about the clutch... go look up victory parts http://parts.polarisind.com/Assemblies.asp . how here is something to Note.... my 2011 victory vision rated at 869 lbs, & rated at 92hp and 109ftlbs has the SAME clutch plates as the 2003 victory vegas, which is rated at (according to online sources) 75hp and 84 ftlbs & is also rated as having a weight of 617 lbs then factor in the 29 gallons of storage the vision has which to only add More weight to the mix... then if you actually use your vision to tour with and have a trunk rack, OR pull a trailer...... and then do all of this while riding 2-up.... is it really the fault of a oil that a clutch might fail prematurely ?? the vision is 41% Heavier... has MORE horsepower..... More Torque.... and is expected to pull more of a over all duty than a vegas could ever do ... but yet, it shares the Same clutches as a much lighter bike... now on My transmission (2011) this was to be the year for the redesign.. but yet... the Same clutches were still used.. so im not saying a oil cant cause this.. but if there is a oil tested and proven to work on motorcycles (passing the JASO rating).. and is used in just about every single brand of motorcycle made... with out all of these brands having clutch failures due solely to the use of this oil.. and then you have a bike like ours... or yours, a bike using the same clutch as a bike that is 41% lighter , has a noticeable increase in over all Horse Power and Torque. so yeah a oil Could cause a clutch to slip... especially if that clutch was Not designed for a Touring motorcycle that is over a 1/2 Ton when passenger.. maybe the oil is the straw that broke the camels back... ? i have to wonder.. in the automotive world.. would they put a clutch from a chevy s10 and put it in a silverado? |
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Victoria Tx, TX United States | YAAA OIL THREAD!! My answers from Engineers/techs/sales... Vic Oil is good stuff! I use Maxima 4 10/40 Synthetic oil. Trying to get Vic oil is too hard for me. The 1st # WT is not that important, The 2nd # should not be above 40. They way the engine is made. JASOMA is important!! Dino oil needs a higher 1st # than Synthetic because how its made. BUT Remember after you 1st start of the day let it idle for few minutes before you ride off. EVERYTHING needs to warm up. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Dino oil needs a higher 1st # than Synthetic because how its made.
what??!!! who told you this? you know what the first number means right? if so, then why on gods earth would non-syth need a higher number just because its non-synthetic... ? lol if anything it would be the other way around... (for cold flow characteristics) but i doubt anyone on here starts and rides their vision in temps so cold that we have to split hairs over which flows better on cold start and why ... |
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| As long as the oil meets Vic specs. Have any of you reviewed Roadkill's oil samples he did years ago on his '99? Digging up a 15 year old dead horse? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i would like to see it. |
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Dallas, Texas | Still using and liking my 3 qts Brad Penn m/c 20W/50 and 1.5 qts Castrol full syn RS V-Twin 20W50 at each change. I call it a 'premium home made semi-syn'. |
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| How many of you bash Amsoil but turn around and put is T6 |
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New Bohemia, VA | I see two camps - one full synthetic, and the other, the recommended semi-synthetic. I don't know the affect of a full dino, but I won't try that either unless I'm in a pinch. I might prove my point when I reach 200,000 miles and go back to a full synthetic and see what happens. I'll have a clutch standing by if this one makes it another 13,000 miles using the semi-syn. |
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| Not bashing Amsoil. It's good stuff. But can't dispute that it made my clutch slip and T6 didn't.
On a side note. Guys who have gotten slip.... Do you all have Lloydz cams? Any stock visions get the slip? I have the cams and only got clutch slip with very aggressive riding. But I can pull hard on the T6, though I run and prefer T5, and have never had a slip since draining the Amsoil out. Not a bash, just the facts.
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| jeffmack
sounds more like you need the diaphragm spring instead of different oil |
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| Maybe. Maybe not. Can't find a reason to wrench. Tried Amsoil around 25k miles. Back to rotella at 30k. Now at 97k. No slip in first 25k, no slip in last 67k. Instead of throwing parts into a non issue I'll just roll with what works. |
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Victoria Tx, TX United States | The reason Dyno oil needs larger 1st # than Synthetic. Synthetic can take more punishment. The closer the #'s on Dyno oil the more stable it is. That is the answers I get from them.. Ohh Well... I do know not to drink the stuff. |
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