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Brighton, TN | I normally leave my bike in 1st gear when I park. Come back out and crank it up with it in gear. Pull in the clutch and hit the starter and it seems to want to lurch forward a smidge. Never had a bike do that before. Just wondering if anybody knows why or if its normal operating procedure.
Or should I just Man up cause it ain't no big deal. Who cares? Let the whining begin, another ?! Man you guys would nitpick a hot chick in a bikini, screaming I'm hot, take me NOW! Ladies, flip that for me, for you entertainment! Not sure how I could say that and still be Manly!
I already realize that I and other members of the forum are members of the DumbAss Club, and since I do not have a heavy background in trannies or the connection between the motor and tranny, I defer to some of the possible experienced folks on here to tell me how it is.
If you find this thread to be a hassle or whiningly irritable. Feel free to post your thoughts on here. I take all comer's. Oh, and it you feel the need to chastise about me leaving the bike in gear or starting it in gear, I'd love to hear that commentary too. | |
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Belding Michigan | AFter having a bike roll away on parking and me feeling like a dummy I too park in gear. Many bikes won't start in gear another reaon to love the Vision. I think if you are not smart enough to pull in the clutch and kick up the kickstand before taking off you should not be riding a bike just my thoughts. As to the small lurch when hitting the starter it is caused by wet plate clutches the friction plate stickes to the flywheel because of the suction of the oil that is why cars don't do it they are dry plate clutches. This is not a problem unless you have this happen and it actually rolls the bike forwad mine just gives a little jerk till the plates free up then off it goes. Hope this helps. Archie | |
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, FL United States | I always park the Vis in 1st gear to prevent rolling. Just swing a leg over (I'm tall so I can do that on a Vision),pull in the clutch lever & hit the starter button. I've only experienced the "lurch" a couple of times & "it don't bother me  "
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Pittsburgh, PA | when you tried to start the bike in gear is the engine cold? if so then the clutch plates might be sticky until the oil is flowing. | |
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Brighton, TN | Thanks for the educational experience, I have been thinking of all the toys I have and which ones are wet clutches, and I'm pretty sure my John Deere Tractor is and my old motorcycle.
I'll pay attention a little more. I really notice it in the morning or when I'm leaving for the day. But I will ride it at lunch and see what it does when it gets warmed up a bit.
I think I remember my old 1977 KZ1000 and I don't remember it doing it. Couldn't tell you if it was a wet clutch, but I would bet it was. I don't remember another tranny case or separate section. Wonder what the difference would be.
Is it possible the plates are not being pulled far enough away from each other, to keep that from happening. | |
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Scottsdale AZ | pollolittle - 2008-10-06 6:34 AM
I normally leave my bike in 1st gear when I park. Come back out and crank it up with it in gear. Pull in the clutch and hit the starter and it seems to want to lurch forward a smidge. Never had a bike do that before. Just wondering if anybody knows why or if its normal operating procedure.
Or should I just Man up cause it ain't no big deal. Who cares? Let the whining begin, another ?! Man you guys would nitpick a hot chick in a bikini, screaming I'm hot, take me NOW! Ladies, flip that for me, for you entertainment! Not sure how I could say that and still be Manly!
I already realize that I and other members of the forum are members of the DumbAss Club, and since I do not have a heavy background in trannies or the connection between the motor and tranny, I defer to some of the possible experienced folks on here to tell me how it is.
If you find this thread to be a hassle or whiningly irritable. Feel free to post your thoughts on here. I take all comer's. Oh, and it you feel the need to chastise about me leaving the bike in gear or starting it in gear, I'd love to hear that commentary too.
Pootieinfirstgear- I have an "N" where I start my V- It doesn't jump there- Maybe you should push it to start (I'd probably try 2nd or 3rd though) I have found no other members claiming to be in the DumbAss club- Maybe you are the only member, especially with starting this kind of thread. Try something more productive like oil, or gas mileage.
Thanks for the invitation to tell you what we think, that always helps me understand that to start with you knew you would be "out in left field with the chickens" Sooooo- Man up a little here! | |
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Centennial, CO | pollolittle - 2008-10-06 8:15 AM
Thanks for the educational experience, I have been thinking of all the toys I have and which ones are wet clutches, and I'm pretty sure my John Deere Tractor is and my old motorcycle.
I'll pay attention a little more. I really notice it in the morning or when I'm leaving for the day. But I will ride it at lunch and see what it does when it gets warmed up a bit.
I think I remember my old 1977 KZ1000 and I don't remember it doing it. Couldn't tell you if it was a wet clutch, but I would bet it was. I don't remember another tranny case or separate section. Wonder what the difference would be.
Is it possible the plates are not being pulled far enough away from each other, to keep that from happening.
Like amassen said, it is pretty common. My Vision has never done it but my older Kaw, honda and my suzuki did it ALL THE TIME. It is pretty normal for these types of clutches.
I park mine in gear as having it roll off the stand is not only embarrassing, but expensive on some of the other bikes I have owned. If you want to get away from the lurch, push bike forward about an inch or two (to let the pressure off of the gears) and pull the shift lever into neutral. This should stop you from getting any type of lurch.
Oh...and btw...I posted a note a while back and someone said I was bitchin about things. You know...I truly believe the only dumb question is the one that never gets asked. SO, ask all you want and I will guarantee you that I will NEVER put you in the DA category! How else are you going to learn?
Have fun out there riding! I love to see women touring around! Woohoo! | |
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Western WA | Pollolittle:
I've tried to become a member of the DumbAss Club, but I failed the test. You guys are an exclusive bunch. I'll take DesertJim's advice and start an oil thread. Or a helmet thread. Or a "A Harley Rider Was Mean To Me" thread. Would you let me in then?
On a side note, my Vision jumps when I start it in first gear when the engine and oil are cold. My Suzuki did the same thing, and ditto on a Vulcan. | |
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Woodland Hills, CA | As far as I'm concerned, the only DumbAss question is the one that isn't asked. And the only DumbAss is the one who has something derogatory to say about someone asking a question they think is "not worthy" of their consideration or response. Some of us are really experienced, while others of us are relatively inexperienced, which is why we ask questions. Maybe sometimes these questions seem really basic, or even ridiculous to some, but the only way we can learn is to ask, and I applaud all those who do, no matter how basic or simple the question may seem. That's one of the great things about a forum like this.
As far as responding to pollolittle's question, I have had the same problem on several bikes I have owned in the past, especially when the engine is cold, as others have said. I do not know the cause, nor, to be honest, have I ever thought about it before, but it has never been a problem for me.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Anybody mention Clutch Adjustment? Maybe clutch is not TOTALLY disengaging when pulled in.
This is a common problem with wet clutch - but can be negated by proper oil and adjustment.
My Vision doesn't do that, but I have owned a couple of other machines that did. I always have my front brake applied when starting. Try that..... | |
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Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay! | I just wanted to tell you to "Man up!", because you said I could. Or that I can't because I couldn't. Or something like that...
I always park my bike in 1. Sometimes I start my bike in 1, buy usually in N, because I have to back it out of the garage, and I don't have an R, which I wish I did. But, it usually does lurch. My bike won't go into N when it's warm. Does anyone else's do this? Or is this related to the issue that I am having with my clutch, which the part just came in to fix on Saturday?
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Fargo, ND | As mentioned above...it is the clutch disks in the process of releasing from each other. I also park my bike in 1st gear for 2 reasons - 1) As mentioned - the chance of it rolling off the stand is greatly reduced. 2) On a 'cold start' the starter will work a little harder as the disks don't release immediately...However, you are then in 1st gear and ready to ride away and don't have to inflict the 'SMASH' on the transmission shifting it into 1st when the oil and clutch disks are not up to temp. It's a simple case of 6 of one and 12 of another ! | |
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Brighton, TN | Sandpinkcameljim - please do tell, how do yo find the "N". I seem to pass it occasionally on the display, but for the life of me, I've never understood why it is between numbers 1 and 2? My math teacher never included in the counting - "0, 1, N, 2, 3, 4, etc." Does anyboyd know why N is between 1 and 2?
I wonder has anybody tried to push start it? That'd be fun to watch!
Just because you haven't been hanging around lately there are a few (handful) who have joined that club either meritoriously or by default, I know some of the top dawgs, I think I can get you into the club. Oil or gas mileage, that's old school.
ElroyJ - thanks for the info. All the time, wow! I'll give the push forward and see what that does. I like to be in special clubs, limits the membership. I can always be president. When I liquidate the membership dues into my own personal acct. Nobody's missing any money, except me.
Breaker - Did I miss that, when did you fail? It cost one Dr. Pepper 20 oz. and one good solid post extracting good commentary. You know like "Is 5 pounds of air pressure in my front tire OK!, My guage was off one day and had to check by hand, kinda like a bicycle tire." After completing said steps, I think we can work you in.
Wizard523 - are you well versed in motorcycling? Not really a problem, it seemed odd with the clutch pulled in and yet it still moved. I thought the plates would have been totally separate.
donetracey - I had thought about the plates earlier post. No reply, in regards to it yet, though. this however, may be far larger of a problem than we had previously thought. It is starting to sound like a manufacturer defect across all visions. I may have to start a poll and see just how widespread this defect is. I don't want to pull the brake in unless I'm moving, I've got brake pads to save.
GagirlpinkhotchapsTrixie - I keep trying, but then I start to cry, my poor Vision lurches and moves everytime I crank, I just can't stand it, I may have to trade it in and get a, a, a, Vespa! (BBOOOOOHHHOOOO)! It takes a light feathery flick up for neutral for me, If I get too excited and push real hard, it just denies me, like most w..... (nevermind)! I can find it, it just takes time and more time, (nevermind again)!
Flatsix- FYI I am one of the few, who actually enjoys "SMASH" the shifter into gear and get that great big "Ka Thunk"! Even after its warm it still does the "Ka thunk"! Maybe I'm still special! | |
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| I have never had this problem..on the Vision...I leave my bike in gear most of the time when I park to minimize the bike rolling.....sounds like the clutch is just a wee bit out of adjustment. and its not normal.........if you have the clutch pulled all the way in. | |
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| i asked the dealer when mine did it and he said it was normal soo of course we all know now that it is a product defect they are trying to hide. expect another re-call. and now for the imcoming........................... | |
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New Bohemia, VA | pollolittle - 2008-10-06 8:34 AM I normally leave my bike in 1st gear when I park. Come back out and crank it up with it in gear. Pull in the clutch and hit the starter and it seems to want to lurch forward a smidge. Never had a bike do that before. Just wondering if anybody knows why or if its normal operating procedure. Or should I just Man up cause it ain't no big deal. Who cares? Let the whining begin, another ?! Man you guys would nitpick a hot chick in a bikini, screaming I'm hot, take me NOW! Ladies, flip that for me, for you entertainment! Not sure how I could say that and still be Manly! I already realize that I and other members of the forum are members of the DumbAss Club, and since I do not have a heavy background in trannies or the connection between the motor and tranny, I defer to some of the possible experienced folks on here to tell me how it is. If you find this thread to be a hassle or whiningly irritable. Feel free to post your thoughts on here. I take all comer's. Oh, and it you feel the need to chastise about me leaving the bike in gear or starting it in gear, I'd love to hear that commentary too. From your last sentence I defer to page 112 of the Victory Visions Rider’s Manual -> OPERATION -> Starting The Engine. Please pay very careful attention to NUMBER 6 and the caution statement. Each step must be completed in sequence, NO EXCEPTIONS! A starter interlock system prevents the motorcycle from being started in gear unless the clutch lever is pulled in (clutch disengaged). Follow these steps to start the engine: NOTE: If the motorcycle ran out of fuel completely, prime the fuel system before attempting to the start the engine. See “Priming the Fuel System” on page 111 - Perform the Pre-Ride Checks beginning on page 85. If you are carrying cargo, inspect it to be sure it is properly secured.
- Mount the motorcycle and bring it to an upright position.
- Insert the ignition key into the ignition switch and turn it to the ON position.
- Set the Stop/Run switch to the RUN position. You should then hear the fuel pump urn momentarily (about 3 seconds) as it pressurizes the fuel system. NOTE: When ignition key is turned off, and audible clicking sound from the IAC valve is normal.
- Place the sidestand in the UP (retracted) position.
- If the NEUTRAL light is not illuminated, shift the transmission to neutral.
- Apply front brake.
- Leave the throttle closed, and press the starter button until the engine starts. If the engine does not start after a few seconds, release the button, wait 5-10 seconds and then press the button again. Hold the starter button for as short a time as possible to minimize battery drain. Do not push the starter button for more than 10 seconds at any one time.
- Leave the throttle closed and allow the engine to warm up. The idle speed is regulated by the Engine Control Module (ECM). The colder the engine, the longer the fast idle cycle will last. Idle speed will be gradually reduced by the ECM as the engine warms up.
CAUTION Do not rev the engine or put the transmission in gear immediately after starting the engine. Allow the engine to idle for 30 seconds after a warm start or at least one minute after a cold start (longer in cold weather). This will allow time for oil to reach all areas before putting the engine under load. I will check on this when I glide through the Volunteer state for compliance. | |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Thank you Chris. I am sure this advice will echo thru the tiny hills of Tennessee for years to come! And hopefully bring this thread to a timely close..... | |
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Brighton, TN | Well, I be danged somebody read the owner's manual and then re-typed it here for me to read. I thought you just cranked and rode. All that other stuff is just, well, hogwash! Since I can't read, you will probably have to do a spot check (old Navy PMS check).
I do have to question, exactly what is an audometer? I don't get the "Ain't nothin' like a new pair of shoes!", did you get a new set of flip flops?
You are right though, following those steps above, no more lurching, I thank you! | |
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Centennial, CO | Wizard523 - 2008-10-06 10:55 AM
As far as I'm concerned, the only DumbAss question is the one that isn't asked. And the only DumbAss is the one who has something derogatory to say about someone asking a question they think is "not worthy" of their consideration or response. Some of us are really experienced, while others of us are relatively inexperienced, which is why we ask questions. Maybe sometimes these questions seem really basic, or even ridiculous to some, but the only way we can learn is to ask, and I applaud all those who do, no matter how basic or simple the question may seem. That's one of the great things about a forum like this.
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New Bohemia, VA | pollolittle - 2008-10-07 8:14 AM Well, I be danged somebody read the owner's manual and then re-typed it here for me to read. I thought you just cranked and rode. All that other stuff is just, well, hogwash! Since I can't read, you will probably have to do a spot check (old Navy PMS check). I do have to question, exactly what is an audometer? I don't get the "Ain't nothin' like a new pair of shoes!", did you get a new set of flip flops? You are right though, following those steps above, no more lurching, I thank you! Dear Chickenklein, I’m typing this slow so that you read and understand it better. Somebody else here used the term audometer and since they were made fun of because of it I did not want them to be alone. However, audometer is actually the odermeter, you know that thing on your dash that displays how many miles you have. I’m going to go slower on this one, as far as the new pair of shoes go. You’re right, there’s nothing to get, actually I didn’t get a new pair of shoes, but I did get a new front tire. It is the same as getting a new pair of shoes in my mind. I’m glad I was able to help you understand more better what to do to start your motorcickle. Maybe I should translate it to Tennessean for ya. Here goes. Page 112 of the Victory Visions Rider’s Manual -> OPERATION -> Starting The Engine. A witchamagiggy keeps your cickle from startin’ in gear, but you can still get ‘er dun if you pull in clutch lever. The followin’ tells you how to get the engun cranked: Check it out: If the darn thing is runned out of gas, see “Pumping up the gas” on page 111 - See page 85 to figure out what to look at before you start it up. Don’t forget to kick the tars. If ya got stuff, strap it down so it don’t fly off when yur getting’ on down the express road.
- Climb on and sit it up straight.
- Stick the key in and turn it ON, ok?
- Make sure that red button on the right handle bar is on RUN. Ya shud har a tick, tick, tickin’ noise for a second or two, or three. That’s the gas pumpin’ up providin’ ya got some. Also, when ya turn the dang thing off, ya’ll hear that tick, tick, ticking sound agan comin’ from one of those fancy modulator things. Don’t think it’s a band a revenuers snekin’ up on ya.
- Slap the stand lever up with your left foot.
- If ya ain’t seein’ no green lite, then move the shifter lever up or down until ya do.
- Squeeze the brake lever.
- Don’t move the throttle and press the starter button ‘til she fires up. If the sucker don’t catch, try doing it again, but not for too long. Wait the time it takes old blue to scratch a flea and crank ‘er again. If she don’t fire, and you keep pushin’ the button, you’ll have to get the JD and give her a jump.
- Don’t rev it up as this thang will figure what to do on its own. You’ll be ready to ride in no time.
Watch out that you don’t rev the engun or try ridin’ off to soon. Let it run for a while especially when its cold. Its got to get the orl flowin. If you didn't get all of that I'll type slower and use a bigger font next time.
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29 Palms California | I see since my hiatus, that nothing has changed, Poot is still doing things the hard way. The way I see it, park in 1, click the half a hair up to the HUGE FRICKEN "N", then start your scooter. Sheesh. I said it, it's done. | |
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New Bohemia, VA | BUCKEYE - 2008-10-08 12:02 AM I see since my hiatus, that nothing has changed, Poot is still doing things the hard way. The way I see it, park in 1, click the half a hair up to the HUGE FRICKEN "N", then start your scooter. Sheesh. I said it, it's done. I see the feathers ruffled now! I was starting to give up hope on the forum and its future. Welcome back Bucky, where, ya bin? | |
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Dale, Indiana | I always thought my Vision lurched forward a bit because I was sitting on a real powerhouse and she wanted to go!!!!!
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Fargo, ND | I don't care who ya are, that's some funny sh** rat thar, varyder! | |
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29 Palms California | I would give you the honest answer, but the voices of the girls in my helmet won't let me. Theres a war going on, what are you trying to say with that peace symbol son? It's time you came over to the winning side! Join the fight for the big push...Ok, honestly, I was dropped in the jungles just outside of a little town in south America. The natives thought i was a God because I could belch my name. They paid honor to their new Master by burning leaves of marajuana outside my hut filled with 10 youthful virgin women. We greased up with coca oils and ate fresh chicken and made animal love for 5 months. After dinner mint was cocoa leaves. Ok, thats not it. This site got to serious. Thought I would come back and cause havoc! | |
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New Bohemia, VA | BUCKEY - I would give you the honest answer, but the voices of the girls in my helmet won't let me. Theres a war going on, what are you trying to say with that peace symbol son? It's time you came over to the winning side! Join the fight for the big push...Ok, honestly, I was dropped in the jungles just outside of a little town in south America. The natives thought i was a God because I could belch my name. They paid honor to their new Master by burning leaves of marajuana outside my hut filled with 10 youthful virgin women. We greased up with coca oils and ate fresh chicken and made animal love for 5 months. After dinner mint was cocoa leaves. Ok, thats not it. This site got to serious. Thought I would come back and cause havoc! Well, Poot, blame it on him since he had watch while you were gone, would just pop up every now again, I begin to think he was a gopher. Then marshall law was declared and then the forum police showed up and wanted folk to be politically correct, grammatically correct, mathmatically correct and to brand bland in all comments. I was beginning to think the commies had showed up. I started going over to the great site called Victory-Riders.com, but I'm just talking to myself over there. What am I saying, I'm talking to myself right now and I'll be talking to myself when the wife is around. Here she comes....got to go.... Yes dear, I got to get this work done...yes dear...
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Dale, Indiana | BUCKEYE - 2008-10-08 6:34 PM
I would give you the honest answer, but the voices of the girls in my helmet won't let me. Theres a war going on, what are you trying to say with that peace symbol son? It's time you came over to the winning side! Join the fight for the big push...Ok, honestly, I was dropped in the jungles just outside of a little town in south America. The natives thought i was a God because I could belch my name. They paid honor to their new Master by burning leaves of marajuana outside my hut filled with 10 youthful virgin women. We greased up with coca oils and ate fresh chicken and made animal love for 5 months. After dinner mint was cocoa leaves. Ok, thats not it. This site got to serious. Thought I would come back and cause havoc!
BUCKEYE,
As a guy who's tired of all the corncob up the butt people in this world, please keep posting!
I'm about to get kicked off my trucker posting board because people seem to have a problem with calling stupid people stupid, and not worshiping the newbie greenhorns who don't know $hit about trucking and the world around them.
Whole frinkin world has turned into a bunch of girlymen wozzes!
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New Bohemia, VA | Try hanging out on the Wing site for a while, it runs with the tides and that is the way it does on most forums. I figured it was a matter of time before the Forum Police showed up to make sure all was said within context of their perspective. In the end, I'd still ride with any of you, that is if you thought I was worthy enough to be seen with you. | |
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Dale, Indiana | varyder,
I would love to ride with you!
Heck, I would love to ride with any Vision owner. Owning a Vision just shows the owner has class and smarts ... even those with funny gas caps.
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New Bohemia, VA | IRR, reread your post!  | |
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Dale, Indiana | varyder - 2008-10-11 8:12 AM
IRR, reread your post!
YIKES!
I better change it!
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So Cal | BUCKEYE - 2008-10-08 4:34 PM
I would give you the honest answer, but the voices of the girls in my helmet won't let me. Theres a war going on, what are you trying to say with that peace symbol son? It's time you came over to the winning side! Join the fight for the big push...Ok, honestly, I was dropped in the jungles just outside of a little town in south America. The natives thought i was a God because I could belch my name. They paid honor to their new Master by burning leaves of marajuana outside my hut filled with 10 youthful virgin women. We greased up with coca oils and ate fresh chicken and made animal love for 5 months. After dinner mint was cocoa leaves. Ok, thats not it. This site got to serious. Thought I would come back and cause havoc!
Thats all I need! 10 women in my hut. Ones not enough aggrivation for you? It's the ring. Put a ring on their left hand and it changes everything. Besides, virgins arent any fun. Give me a woman with experience! | |
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Leander,Texas | How is N spelled? | |
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New Bohemia, VA | TexasVision - 2008-10-11 10:35 PM How is N spelled? With a capital N. I think it is best described in this video for simple travelers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te0q3QWJ0pI | |
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Start in gear?