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Shelby Twp. MI | At the dealer yesterday getting the 1st service done and they told. Methat the software maping was realesed yesterday for thw 09s. - didn't get the pipes and that done cuase I already spent enough and this was said as I was leave....escaped that bill for a moment...! |
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| Yes it interesting the 09 bikes have a different map......that wont work for an 08..I wonder what they did different? |
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Illinois | I'm still not convinced the 08 map works on 08's. |
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Centennial, CO | It does now!
I just got my bike back from the new mapping/recall. Runs better than ever. No popping, no hard shifting...its all good! I love my bike all over again! |
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US | what does the first service cost? will they do mapping on a stock bike? mine seems to be running very lean and stalls sometimes if I rev it while sitting at a stop light.
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LONDONDERRY NH | Had mine done yesterday and it cured the stoplight stalling issue. Mine would hesitate when the throttle was blipped a few times. Not anymore |
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Shelby Twp. MI | ness_fan - 2008-10-02 3:47 PM
what does the first service cost? will they do mapping on a stock bike? mine seems to be running very lean and stalls sometimes if I rev it while sitting at a stop light.
Robert
Mine was 120 bucks ...did oil belt tension compression test...some other stuff...no mapping here as I did not go to the stage 1 yet....gota get the funds up season almost over here so winter it'll get done!!
man so nice to have the 1st service done ....now I can see what this thing can due.....!!!
Edited by rodog 2008-10-02 5:38 PM
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US | what did they do for the stalling issue? I still have the stock pipes. I have an 09 Vision street premium 250 miles 1 week old.
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San Antonio, TX United States | ness_fan - 2008-10-02 7:20 PM what did they do for the stalling issue? I still have the stock pipes. I have an 09 Vision street premium 250 miles 1 week old. Robert I am not sure what the problem is with reading the service recall notice. The recall is for all 2008 Visions. Whether it is stock pipes or Stage 1 level 1/Level2 pipes. The reason for the recall is due to a stalling issue which will show up every now and then. It is great that a side effect of the mapping reduces decel popping for some. I never had a decel popping issue with my S1L2 pipe, the reflash just took care of my stalling issue that would happen about once every few weeks. Now if a 2009 bike shows up with a stalling issue, i am sure it was a 2009 bike that was manufactured anytime prior to Sept 25, 2008. That would not be a hard stretch of the imagination. I will put out a question tomorrow to our tech support at Polaris for a clear answer on this matter. |
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US | thanks !  |
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New Bohemia, VA | I had the remap done and it does run better, much better. However, it has done the stall 3 times when pulling in the clutch to shift, argh. I think it is just the plugs all over again and I'm ready to replace them at 24k. |
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San Antonio, TX United States | Well the service manual says to replace plugs at the 30,000 mile mark. You are not to far off of that with the amount of riding you do Varyder. Of course with the old map and depending on the air filter, if its dirty, that can cause you to run richer then usual and foul plugs early as well. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I've been good with my service in cleaning/replacing air filter around 2,5-3k marks. I'm on 3,5 on amsoil and we're changing this weekend as well as plugs and new air filter. This 2,5k service schedule is grueling. |
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Austin, Texas | I've had that stall problem a few times as well. I got a recall notice this week on two things, the MAP and a loose connection. I've got it in the shop for the 5K service and to address the recalls so I'll know tomorrow if this re-MAP helps.
Anyone remember what the recall was concerning the radios? |
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Fargo, ND | I also just had the recall reflash done on my '08 Tour Premium. Mine would hesitate like it was running out of fuel or someone turned the key off for a split second occasionally. After the reflash, I've had it actually hesitate and die a couple of times. My reflash was done at barely over 1,000 miles, and I only have 1,300 on it now, so I know my plugs aren't fouled and I'm having the same symptoms as the guy with 24,000 miles. |
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Victoria, BC | dwhite28
Two weeks ago, my brother & I test rode a Vision in Kelowna, BC. It ran like crap (felt like it was running on one cylinder) & my brother started to question why I would want a Vision in the first place. A few days later we were in Vancouver, BC. Took a Vision for test ride there also. What a difference! This bike ran very well for the 45 minutes we had to play around with it. My brother came away with a big smile & now wants to buy a Vision.
When I asked the salesman why the difference between the two bikes, he replied that Kelowna dealership probably started the bike on the sidestand, which he claimed sometimes causes the plugs to foul, & the bike will run rough. Is it true that you should stand the bike up while starting it? Appreciate your two cents on why the first bike ran crappy.
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San Antonio, TX United States | ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
Now that i have picked myself up off of the floor and recovered from sever stomach cramps,.
I start my bike every single morning on its side stand before going to work. I have owned my Vision since Aug 2. If anyone was going to have fouled plugs, i would think it would be me. I start the bike, ride 3 miles to the shop and then in the evening i ride the 3 miles home. My bike only gets warmed up when i go for an evening ride or when i really ride it on the weekends.
You tell me what the sales person was trying to do?
Without see or being around the bike that ran crappy, it could be any number of things. The fact that a dealer let you take a bike out that was not maintained says alot about that dealer, like STAY AWAY!!!! WE ARE IDIOTS AND NOT TO BE TRUSTED!!!!
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20 miles west of Chicago. | I think what the speaker meant by by "starting on the sidestand" was that the bike was probably started numerous times to demonstrate how it sounded to potential customers in or near the shop and run a minute or two without the bike being ridden long enough to get fully warmed up so as to burn the carbon fouling off the plugs. The bikes will run rich until warmed up and starting and running the motor for a short period of time can foul the plugs. There is no reason why starting it while on the kickstand would be any different from starting it while upright. |
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New Bohemia, VA | nohawg - 2008-10-03 4:00 PM I also just had the recall reflash done on my '08 Tour Premium. Mine would hesitate like it was running out of fuel or someone turned the key off for a split second occasionally. After the reflash, I've had it actually hesitate and die a couple of times. My reflash was done at barely over 1,000 miles, and I only have 1,300 on it now, so I know my plugs aren't fouled and I'm having the same symptoms as the guy with 24,000 miles. Okay folk, before we get to far down the road on this, no pun intended, it takes just a few moments to pull the plugs and check them out. My "stall" issue started almost immediately after buying my bike. I had the habit of "blipping" the throttle at stop lights and when people was looking at my bike and wanted to hear it run, I would start and stop the motor without riding. All I know is that when I took it in for the 2,500k service the bike finally started to run better. When I inquired what was done, the only single possible reason that I concluded is that the tech said the plugs were real fouled and and cleaned them. The stall is progressively coming back with 24,000 on the clock so my guess is that they now need to be replaced. It is a two minute procedure to pull the plugs to check and clean will save many threads of how bad your Vision runs and don't understand why. If anything, you will eliminate the cheapest and easiest part of the whole diagnosis and save many forum post electrons in the process. Remember, we're going green... Still the best ride in town, and the best I've ever riden. With a set average of 27 - 30k a year I'll be close to 100,000k in less than four so I'll help Victory figure it out any other problems for the rest of you. |
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Victoria, BC | David, the salesman alluded to something about the injectors pooling fuel around the plug while it's in a lower position (while on the sidestand). He seemed quite serious about it, so I doubt he was jerking my chain. If nothing else, it gave you a good laugh. <grin>
Since it was the end of their work day, I asked him to e-mail me the next day after their tech checked out the bike. He did reply & the tech found no problem, but it sure ran crappy for the two of us. I had ridden one before at the beginning of July, so I knew what it was suppose to run like. If that was the only test ride that my brother had used to make his decision on a Vision, he would have walked away from it for good. Thankfully the bike in Vancouver already had 3500 kms on it & it ran very well. |
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Victoria, BC | Mudge, we ran the bike for at least 45 minutes, so it should have been warmed up by then. Maybe it needed more time to clear out the plugs. |
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US | I called my local dealer today and told them my 09 Vision was having a stalling issue if I blip the throttle while at a stop light, she told me there were no recalls for the 09 but they would call Polaris and see if there is a remedy or if the 08 re flash will work on my 09 I have 300 miles as of today will ride another 100 or so tomorrow then get it in for the 500 mile service.
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Victoria, BC | Mmmm, I thought the Vision didn't like being blipped - something about the closed loop system (or something like that).
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US | The bike runs fine when it is cold and the mixture is richer, while it is warming up, after it gets hot is when it happens. I will just buy the lloydz tuner when I add the big honkers and the free flow filter it is obvious the bike is just very lean.
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VA | When I did my first test ride on the Vision, I blipped, or burped, the throttle at a stop sign, and it stalled. I told the dealer this when I got back and they indicated that the ECM (Electronic Control Module) which controls the fuel injection, for the 08's didn't like that. They said they were told by the reps that they were putting a new one in the 09's. He indicated that you could buy the 09 ECM and put it in the 08. Kinda interesting that some of the 09's are having the same problem. I had to break the habit, but I stopped blipping it, and I've never had the stall to date. Kinda worried that I'll get the recall done, this Sat. and then I'll start having the problem. Hope that ain't the case. I've been lucky, so far I haven't had any major problems with mine. |
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