Vision shocks sport bike riders
Spock
Posted 2008-09-21 11:28 PM (#18499)
Subject: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Carrollton, TX

I have a couple of friends that ride sport bikes and they think the Vision is interesting but they couldn’t give up the performance and handling they enjoy. I have told them how the Vision is different and has a lot of the handling and performance characteristics of a sport bike.

They invited me to go on a ride with a group of them this morning so they could show me how real bikers ride. They expected the Vision to perform like a typical Harley or other touring bikes they have ridden with in the past so they were sure they would have to stop and wait for me.

The three fastest riders were on a BMW K 1200 R, a Suzuki GSX-R 1000 and a Ducati 1098 and I hanged right on their tails for 280 miles. There were a few other riders on BMW’s and other sport bikes but due to less riding experience or performance were lagging behind the four of us during the entire ride.

They were all blown away! We stopped to eat half way through the ride and they said that Vision is sure no Harley. They couldn’t believe how the Vision could handle the corners like it does and they were also very impressed with its acceleration and braking.  

All three of these bikes have a lot higher top end speed than the Vision but the fastest they were able to get up to on the roads we rode today was about 120 and I was right there with them up to 120 when I hit the rev limiter in 6th gear. They never out cornered me but I did scrap the floor boards a few times keeping up with them. We spent most of the ride at speeds between 90 and 120 mph. It was exhilarating to say the least.

The big difference was they were flopping their hands and arms whenever they could as well as squirming in their seats, standing and stretching their legs out due to the uncomfortable riding position of these bikes. They talked as if 300 miles in a day was quite an accomplishment. I was as comfortable as sitting in my easy chair, listing to tunes, using the cruise control when I could and well protected from the elements.

At stop lights and road changes they were pulling out handy wipes to clean the bugs off their face shields. The Vision’s adjustable windshield had be well protected with no fuss.

Two of them at the end of the day said they needed to take a much closer look at the Vision as the level of comfort and amenities coupled with the performance and handling was very attractive and an option they didn’t think existed.

I just love the Vision more every day!

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af goalie
Posted 2008-09-22 12:06 AM (#18501 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: RE: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Rapid City, SD
Excellent story. I don't see myself ever trying to hang with the sport bikes. I am sure the Vision could handle it, but I know I couldn't. On a straight sure but thats about it.
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radioteacher
Posted 2008-09-22 12:15 AM (#18502 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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San Antonio, TX
Sounds like everyone had a great time. It is nice to know that the Vision can hang with these bikes in the sweepers and the tighter turns. I guess that there were no speed cameras on your route.

Take care,
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bigwill5150
Posted 2008-09-22 12:48 AM (#18505 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


Iron Butt

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Reno County, KS
Thanks for the post. I've been worried about the tipovers causing the tires to lose bite since I bought her. Knowing that you scraped the floorboards without eating pavement eases my concerns a great deal.
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pollolittle
Posted 2008-09-22 8:53 AM (#18511 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Brighton, TN
reallybigwill5150 - you will find the floorboards as an early detection system (EDS for short, not to be confused with Erectile Dysfunction Syndrome aka EDS). You can scrape them and your feet will rise a little, if you continue on over you will catch the tipovers, but i have yet to become unsettled when they catch, I've only done it a few times. A little hair raising, but other than that, the bike seems to let you right it if you want to with out the backend or frontend making it's own path.+
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GAgirlTrixie
Posted 2008-09-22 8:57 AM (#18513 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: RE: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay!

HAHA! Spock! Glad you showed them that the Vision isn't just a Geezer Glide! (Unless the pilot wants to be....)

I love to shock people with the Vision!

While on the Kyle Petty Ride this past July, we were able to go out on Road America for 2 laps. I was tearing it up on the Vision! I was a little more reserved, when it hit me that I still had to ride this bike from WI to GA, that I didn't need to burn up the oil or any body parts, so I kept it down to about 85 in 3rd gear.... But guys on Beemers and Wings were amazed that the Vision was keeping up with or passing them through the curves. I have an ST1300 also, which handles slightly better, but is not nearly as comfortable, and I always come away with a face full of road dirt....

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pollolittle
Posted 2008-09-22 8:57 AM (#18514 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


Visionary

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Brighton, TN
spock what a write up, that's too fast for me under steady running. If I could get on a closed course, I probably would. Way to show them boys how a real bike works. I've like doing sweeping turns and just keep on accelerating. Fun!
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Spock
Posted 2008-09-22 2:24 PM (#18559 - in reply to #18502)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Carrollton, TX

radioteacher - 2008-09-21 11:15 PM Sounds like everyone had a great time. It is nice to know that the Vision can hang with these bikes in the sweepers and the tighter turns. I guess that there were no speed cameras on your route. Take care,

We didn't see one cop all day on our route but I had a story planned out if I got pulled over.

“Officer obviously those sport bikes where going fast and passing me like was standing still as I was leisurely taking in the country side on my touring bike on such a beautiful Sunday morning.”

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radioteacher
Posted 2008-09-22 2:44 PM (#18562 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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San Antonio, TX
Spock wrote:
"Officer obviously those sport bikes where going fast and passing me like was standing still as I was leisurely taking in the country side on my touring bike on such a beautiful Sunday morning."

I love it!! I hope to use that line myself someday.
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Miles
Posted 2008-09-22 5:30 PM (#18576 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Mount Vernon, WA United States
I'm not as impressed with it's ability to keep up at high speed as I am with its agility in the twisties. I even wrote about it in this early review (http://www.vision-riders.com/articles.asp?article=440&reftid=98). Any time I have been on a Vision, I feel it has much more in common handling-wise with my Moto Guzzi LeMans "sport touring" style than any traditional "Cruiser" style.

I truly feel that the Vision has set the industry on it's ears and I'm looking forward to see what's coming up in 2009 and 2010 from all of the bike manufacturers. While Victory is not into it for the number of units sold, I'd be surprised if the guys doing R&D on Goldwings, and Glides and such aren't thinking they need to step "something" up a notch or two.

The bottom line, style aside, there are not too many... ok none that I know of... bikes that you can drive off the showroom floor into a long-distance, two-up vacation without doing "something" to. I have not owned a bike in which I didn't have to replace the seat and/or handlebars before I did any distance, sometimes before it left the dealership. Top that off with a less than $25,000 price tag, and the Vision is pretty attractive to the new generation of "touring riders" that just want a ride. Harley, Honda and BMW have been the mainstay of the touring world for a long time. But a lot of that is because of tradition, more than substance. I think we can all agree that the newer generations, for the most part, have little to no concept of "tradition." They want substance, and that's what the Vision delivers. It may not do everything perfectly, there may be some things that others do better, but the Vision has it all in one package at a price that I don't think can be touched.



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rlreed
Posted 2008-09-22 9:25 PM (#18599 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Two weeks ago the GF and I went on a ride with some of the club members. We hit the country roads west of Dayton where there are lots of twisties. The leader was on a BMW and started pushing it. I kept up for quite a while but after the tipovers scraped pavement three or four times I got the message from the banging on my helmet and slowed it down but it was fun as long as it lasted...
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cjnoho
Posted 2008-09-23 2:56 AM (#18628 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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So Cal
There have been enough times when I have thought to myself "I should be in the ditch by now" I tend to take more chances when I'm by myself. My daughter has been riding with me since she was 8 yrs old so I tend to be very conservative when I have a passenger. Killing myself is no big deal. With a passenger, with my luck, I would survive and they wouldn't, which is something I couldn't live with.

Edited by cjnoho 2008-09-23 2:56 AM
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VisionTex
Posted 2008-09-23 12:55 PM (#18648 - in reply to #18599)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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LaPorte,Tx.
rlreed - 2008-09-22 8:25 PM

Two weeks ago the GF and I went on a ride with some of the club members. We hit the country roads west of Dayton where there are lots of twisties. The leader was on a BMW and started pushing it. I kept up for quite a while but after the tipovers scraped pavement three or four times I got the message from the banging on my helmet and slowed it down but it was fun as long as it lasted...


Before tackling the twisties, get the air pump out and increase the air on the rear shock. Adding some air will help keep you from touching the tipovers in hard cornering.
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Spock
Posted 2008-09-23 1:47 PM (#18649 - in reply to #18648)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Carrollton, TX

VisionTex - 2008-09-23 11:55 AM rlreed - 2008-09-22 8:25 PM Two weeks ago the GF and I went on a ride with some of the club members. We hit the country roads west of Dayton where there are lots of twisties. The leader was on a BMW and started pushing it. I kept up for quite a while but after the tipovers scraped pavement three or four times I got the message from the banging on my helmet and slowed it down but it was fun as long as it lasted... Before tackling the twisties, get the air pump out and increase the air on the rear shock. Adding some air will help keep you from touching the tipovers in hard cornering.

Ditto that!! This will make a huge difference. You need to check the rear shock regularly as it will lose pressure over time.

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Miles
Posted 2008-09-23 2:28 PM (#18653 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Mount Vernon, WA United States
Also there is a technique/trick that you should TEST FIRST and I take no responsibility for the result, but....

If you lean your body further into the turn, basically just tip your head further into the turn, the bike will lift off of the point it's scraping. This has saved my butt a few times. You get lower than the bike and the center of gravity shifts a little, enough to left the bike just a little. Keeps from getting whapped on the back of the head by the passenger.
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af goalie
Posted 2008-09-26 9:37 PM (#19037 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Rapid City, SD
While I wasn't doing 90+ through the twisties I did surprise a few sport bike riders. Today i completed the experienced MSF course. Besides a few short test rides this was the first time I really got to put the Vision through manuevers like this. I was a little shakey at first but I settled in and did very well. I knocked out the U-turn box with no problem. Both sport bikes couldn't complete the box without putting a foot down and they crossed outside the box. They were surprised the two largest bikes, a Vision and a HD dresser could negotiate the box with such ease while they continued to struggle.

Even the HD dresser owner said he might just have to test drive one. He is pretty loyal to HD but you just have to plant a seed and water it every now and then. You can't change everyones perception overnight. Everyone ewwed and ahhed over some of the Vision features, ie. electric windshield, Ipod connection, foot position, etc. I was using a passive selling technique. I just let the bike do the talking, it didn't take long for the questions to start flowing.

I finished up the day with the practical test. I completed the box, swerve, brake distance and curve evaluations with zero discrepancies. Seeds planted.
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radioteacher
Posted 2008-09-26 10:19 PM (#19038 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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San Antonio, TX
How big is the box for the U-Turn?
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Spock
Posted 2008-09-26 10:53 PM (#19040 - in reply to #19037)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Carrollton, TX

af goalie - 2008-09-26 8:37 PM While I wasn't doing 90+ through the twisties I did surprise a few sport bike riders. Today i completed the experienced MSF course. Besides a few short test rides this was the first time I really got to put the Vision through manuevers like this. I was a little shakey at first but I settled in and did very well. I knocked out the U-turn box with no problem. Both sport bikes couldn't complete the box without putting a foot down and they crossed outside the box. They were surprised the two largest bikes, a Vision and a HD dresser could negotiate the box with such ease while they continued to struggle. Even the HD dresser owner said he might just have to test drive one. He is pretty loyal to HD but you just have to plant a seed and water it every now and then. You can't change everyones perception overnight. Everyone ewwed and ahhed over some of the Vision features, ie. electric windshield, Ipod connection, foot position, etc. I was using a passive selling technique. I just let the bike do the talking, it didn't take long for the questions to start flowing. I finished up the day with the practical test. I completed the box, swerve, brake distance and curve evaluations with zero discrepancies. Seeds planted.

Great job John you did us proud!

Fergy took this class also a couple of months ago and blew away the students and the instructor with the maneuverability of the Vision.

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af goalie
Posted 2008-09-26 10:54 PM (#19041 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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Rapid City, SD
I didn't get a measurement. There were three levels. Blue checked, white checked and white solid. For the course we were required to do the white checked box.

I may be wrong but I think the white solid box is 20ft. The white checked box that we used was 24ft. May not be impressive by some standards but for my first day riding the Vision not including short test drives I thought it was pretty good. Those measurements are width measurements. Length of box was about double the width. You end up doing a figure 8 within the box.

Speaking of the instructor, he too was impressed with the menuverability of the Vision. He was surprised I could throw it through the drills especially since it was my first day with the bike. Instructor was riding a Kawasaki sport tour something or other.

I have been trying to get my name in the pot to become a MSF instructor. We'll see how that goes. Can you imagine teaching the course on a 10th anniversary Vision?



Edited by af goalie 2008-09-26 10:59 PM
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Spock
Posted 2008-09-26 10:58 PM (#19042 - in reply to #19038)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


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radioteacher - 2008-09-26 9:19 PM How big is the box for the U-Turn?

It is my understanding that this course uses a 20 foot box for U-Turns which is pretty tight.

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radioteacher
Posted 2008-09-27 5:24 AM (#19056 - in reply to #18499)
Subject: Re: Vision shocks sport bike riders


Visionary

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San Antonio, TX
Thanks for the info. I practice figure eights at the end of my dead end street. I will make it off in chalk and try it out.
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